Like you really care about spending on poor people. Give me a break.
b.b.
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Like you really care about spending on poor people. Give me a break.
b.b.
This is a money-saving initiative. It's a wiser use of your tax dollars.
People who don't own or shoot guns tend to grossly underestimate how much ammo is actually needed & used by a gun owner. 1.6 Billion sounds like a huge number, but it's not shocking to someone who shoots even on a semi-regular basis. I can go through 200-300 rounds in an hour at the range. I usually shoot about 100-150 because they are getting more and more expensive. Even as someone who shoots once a month, I can go through over 1,000 rounds in a year as a single person. A federal agency needs to arm it's agents, train it's agents, and have backup ammo for their agents for years to come.
Here's a little tidbit: when the United States went to war in Iraq and Afghanistan, there was such a shortage of small and medium caliber ammunition that there were limits placed on marksmanship training. That's embarrassing. To make up for the shortage, the United States had to buy poorly made munitions from foreign armies. These cheap foreign munitions were less accurate and more prone to jamming, during combat and training. Anyone who has to fire a gun on behalf of our country should be highly trained and have the most accurate and consistent ammo at their disposal.
If people want to really rail about fiscal responsibility, they should attack the failed development of the Joint-Strike Fighter Jet ($2 Billion per aircraft), or the Trillions that went into saving bankers from their own toxic products, or the state procurement programs that buy $20,000 routers for tiny, one-room libraries in West Virginia.
Food for thought.
That is False! A govt functions best when they ARE their people... not when they're afraid of their people. If the govt was truly afraid of their own people then govt would do everything in their power to hide information and find ways to destroy their own people. Is that the America we want? No!Quote:
GOVERNMENT FUNCTIONS BEST WHEN THEY ARE AFRAID OF THEIR PEOPLE.
WRONG AGAIN!
http://www.monticello.org/site/jeffe...bertyquotationQuote:
Status: We have not found any evidence that Thomas Jefferson said or wrote, "When governments fear the people, there is liberty. When the people fear the government, there is tyranny," or any of its listed variations.
I wish all of you that push these quotes out would do the research before you go public. You embarass yourselves.
b.b.
Did you go to the site. He didn't say anything like that. Not at all.
Quote:
Comments: One source attributes this quotation to Thomas Jefferson in The Federalist.[4] The Federalist, however, was the work of Alexander Hamilton, John Jay, and James Madison; it also does not contain the text of this quotation. This quotation is vaguely similar to Jefferson's comment in an 1825 letter to William Short: "Some are whigs, liberals, democrats, call them what you please. Others are tories, serviles, aristocrats, &c. The latter fear the people, and wish to transfer all power to the higher classes of society; the former consider the people as the safest depository of power in the last resort; they cherish them therefore, and wish to leave in them all the powers to the exercise of which they are competent."[5] To date however, the most likely source of this quotation appears to be a series of debates on socialism published in 1914, in which John Basil Barnhill said, "Where the people fear the government you have tyranny. Where the government fears the people you have liberty."
b.b.
The whole point of quoting Thomas Jefferson is to add veracity to the idea. Since Jefferson never said it, it is not as effective as the poster hoped it would be. I like a lot of what TJ said, but I don't agree with his every word. Nor is anything he said beyond criticism just because he said it.
But like BB said, check your sources before trying to end a debate by misquoting a founding father or taking them out of context.