Overtime or Regular time?

First of all I'm not criticizing, I just want to educate myself because I am a taxpayer. I have noticed in the past couple of weeks while walking my dog, West Seneca parks trucks driving around and also parked at about 5pm-7pm. Once one was parked on the Mill st park for some time and a few other times workers were sitting in their trucks at the Soccer park. All times there seemed to be 2 people inside the truck. If the workers are just working a second shift and taking a break that is completely understandable but if workers are getting overtime for this I would have a complaint. Thank you for reading.

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Originally Posted by luv2fish

First of all I'm not criticizing, I just want to educate myself because I am a taxpayer. I have noticed in the past couple of weeks while walking my dog, West Seneca parks trucks driving around and also parked at about 5pm-7pm. Once one was parked on the Mill st park for some time and a few other times workers were sitting in their trucks at the Soccer park. All times there seemed to be 2 people inside the truck. If the workers are just working a second shift and taking a break that is completely understandable but if workers are getting overtime for this I would have a complaint. Thank you for reading.

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How far are these locations from the department?

When I worked summers for the Town of Amherst there were so focused on not having overtime that we would literally drive to the neighborhoods near the department and then wait for 10 minutes or so before we drove in. This ensured that OT did not happen but it also ensured that the day was shortened by 30 to 45 minutes depending on where in the town you were working.

First of all I'm not criticizing, I just want to educate myself because I am a taxpayer. I have noticed in the past couple of weeks while walking my dog, West Seneca parks trucks driving around and also parked at about 5pm-7pm. Once one was parked on the Mill st park for some time and a few other times workers were sitting in their trucks at the Soccer park. All times there seemed to be 2 people inside the truck. If the workers are just working a second shift and taking a break that is completely understandable but if workers are getting overtime for this I would have a complaint. Thank you for reading.


those 2 people you speak of make minimum wage and are in charge of picking up the parks after 330, and cleaning up and locking the bathrooms up at night at the parks where there are bathrooms. if i had to guess, the reason there are 2 is for safety purposes, or training.

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Originally Posted by irishman

First of all I'm not criticizing, I just want to educate myself because I am a taxpayer. I have noticed in the past couple of weeks while walking my dog, West Seneca parks trucks driving around and also parked at about 5pm-7pm. Once one was parked on the Mill st park for some time and a few other times workers were sitting in their trucks at the Soccer park. All times there seemed to be 2 people inside the truck. If the workers are just working a second shift and taking a break that is completely understandable but if workers are getting overtime for this I would have a complaint. Thank you for reading.


those 2 people you speak of make minimum wage and are in charge of picking up the parks after 330, and cleaning up and locking the bathrooms up at night at the parks where there are bathrooms. if i had to guess, the reason there are 2 is for safety purposes, or training.

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http://seethroughny.net/payrolls/towns Search West Seneca, sub-agency NYSLRS - General Employee


19 Employees make more than $80k a year. Do you think it's an accident that a garbageman makes in the 70s?

You just make that up?

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Originally Posted by Shark

You just make that up?

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No, why would I make that up?

Sorry, 20 employees make more than $80k a year and 43 employees make more than $70k. Names of the employees removed and no police were included in the results. Source: http://seethroughny.net/payrolls

Last year, the legacy cost for town employees excluding former police was $3.4 million. Source: http://seethroughny.net/pensions

West Seneca $130,562 NYSLRS - General Employee
West Seneca $129,650 NYSLRS - General Employee
West Seneca $103,595 NYSLRS - General Employee
West Seneca $100,673 NYSLRS - General Employee
West Seneca $97,003 NYSLRS - General Employee
West Seneca $94,045 NYSLRS - General Employee
West Seneca $92,611 NYSLRS - General Employee
West Seneca $89,048 NYSLRS - General Employee
West Seneca $88,243 NYSLRS - General Employee
West Seneca $87,477 NYSLRS - General Employee
West Seneca $85,818 NYSLRS - General Employee
West Seneca $85,442 NYSLRS - General Employee
West Seneca $84,449 NYSLRS - General Employee
West Seneca $84,167 NYSLRS - General Employee
West Seneca $83,044 NYSLRS - General Employee
West Seneca $82,412 NYSLRS - General Employee
West Seneca $82,112 NYSLRS - General Employee
West Seneca $81,688 NYSLRS - General Employee
West Seneca $81,553 NYSLRS - General Employee
West Seneca $80,084 NYSLRS - General Employee
West Seneca $78,472 NYSLRS - General Employee
West Seneca $78,428 NYSLRS - General Employee
West Seneca $77,881 NYSLRS - General Employee
West Seneca $76,764 NYSLRS - General Employee
West Seneca $76,761 NYSLRS - General Employee
West Seneca $76,383 NYSLRS - General Employee
West Seneca $76,297 NYSLRS - General Employee
West Seneca $75,153 NYSLRS - General Employee
West Seneca $74,608 NYSLRS - General Employee
West Seneca $73,634 NYSLRS - General Employee
West Seneca $73,015 NYSLRS - General Employee
West Seneca $72,843 NYSLRS - General Employee
West Seneca $72,467 NYSLRS - General Employee
West Seneca $72,384 NYSLRS - General Employee
West Seneca $72,353 NYSLRS - General Employee
West Seneca $72,321 NYSLRS - General Employee
West Seneca $71,798 NYSLRS - General Employee
West Seneca $71,380 NYSLRS - General Employee
West Seneca $70,701 NYSLRS - General Employee
West Seneca $70,466 NYSLRS - General Employee
West Seneca $70,450 NYSLRS - General Employee
West Seneca $70,074 NYSLRS - General Employee
West Seneca $70,026 NYSLRS - General Employee

You need to include benefit/health care costs to give the true pay per employee

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Originally Posted by WNYresident

You need to include benefit/health care costs to give the true pay per employee

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How can I obtain that information?

Thank you for the input WNYFIRST. Last week I was at the Soccer complex again this time watching a nieces soccer game at a field near the second shifters parked truck by the concession stand. No work being done that I observed, for the approx. 90 minutes I was there.They got out of the truck a few times, talked to some people and went to the rest room. The truck did not move during that entire time. It just seems very arrogant of them to do that in front of the many taxpayers of West Seneca. Hopefully a Town employee will read this and tell them to at least drive around and look busy. LOL

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Originally Posted by WSFirst

How can I obtain that information?

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I assume you would have to FOIL the request to ask.

Anyone know the average cost of the health care package WS employees receive for their salary?

I'm pretty sure in Cheektowaga many employees receive a family plan that tops over 21k+.. Correct me if I am wrong.

So when an employees says they only make $65,000 a year they are intentionally leave off the 20k+ along with what they are paid in pension contributions.

http://www.city-data.com/city/West-Seneca-New-York.html

I see your town is losing population just like Cheektowaga. -2.7% since 2000

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Indeed it is true! Benefits. I know this is an old post but couldn't resist a reply. It has been many years since I have visited this site. Besides, I love love love minions! I remember when my husband and I visited you in 2005 or was it 2006? It is always good to see this site is still here!! Smiling...

Wow, long time ago. Time goes fast the older you become.


My mother-in-law just bought me Minion cereal. One thing you learn from Minions is teamwork.

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The chart in post #12 is an eye opener.

Chart #12 is an eye opener though I am not surprised. Glad there is this information available to view. I am impressed. Since my husband's passing in 2007 I no longer attend meetings nor am I directly involved with local politics. I like to see what people are talking about. Since 2008 onward I have noticed increased public awareness of government activity. That's definitely a good thing.

Awareness is good but change is better. I'm still perplex why various local political parties take our community down the road of high taxation to the point that people flee. It must really boil down to control and jobs for their loyal party supporters.

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Originally Posted by WNYresident

Awareness is good but change is better. I'm still perplex why various local political parties take our community down the road of high taxation to the point that people flee. It must really boil down to control and jobs for their loyal party supporters.

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Amen. You nailed it, in my opinion. I heard our taxes in Evans are going up. As one who rents, that means my rent might increase...alas,my income doesn't!! Everything is going up except my income.

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Originally Posted by WNYresident

Awareness is good but change is better. I'm still perplex why various local political parties take our community down the road of high taxation to the point that people flee. It must really boil down to control and jobs for their loyal party supporters.

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What happens when the jobs disappear?

The Robot Garbage Collectors Are Coming

Correct WNY resident I think the going rate for West Seneca benefits is an additional 41%. So if you work for the Town making 40k now multiply that x 1.41 which =
$56,400 in which it costs the town to pay into your pension, healthcare etc. Most of the Labor workers get an additional 2 hrs. a day weather permitting and a occasional 8 hrs. on a weekend. Now add another 20K conservatively in overtime and your at least making 76k in pay and benefits. That's for just being a Laborer if your a Plow driver and it snows its raining $$$$. There are so many appointed positions like this and its all a friends and family plan, no test civil service test needed. And yes I know both Democrats and Republicans both reaping the benefits in West Seneca Government. Steve Pigeon doesn't care what political Party your from as long as you can help his cause. And yes, Supervisor Sheila Meegan is the daughter of Chris Walsh, and Walsh is Steve Pigeon’s mentor. And Yes Pigeon still has his greasy fingers in WS politics.

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Originally Posted by WSFirst

Last year, the legacy cost for town employees excluding former police was $3.4 million. Source: http://seethroughny.net/pensions

West Seneca $130,562 NYSLRS - General Employee
West Seneca $129,650 NYSLRS - General Employee
West Seneca $103,595 NYSLRS - General Employee
West Seneca $100,673 NYSLRS - General Employee
West Seneca $97,003 NYSLRS - General Employee
West Seneca $94,045 NYSLRS - General Employee
West Seneca $92,611 NYSLRS - General Employee
West Seneca $89,048 NYSLRS - General Employee
West Seneca $88,243 NYSLRS - General Employee
West Seneca $87,477 NYSLRS - General Employee
West Seneca $85,818 NYSLRS - General Employee
West Seneca $85,442 NYSLRS - General Employee
West Seneca $84,449 NYSLRS - General Employee
West Seneca $84,167 NYSLRS - General Employee
West Seneca $83,044 NYSLRS - General Employee
West Seneca $82,412 NYSLRS - General Employee
West Seneca $82,112 NYSLRS - General Employee
West Seneca $81,688 NYSLRS - General Employee
West Seneca $81,553 NYSLRS - General Employee
West Seneca $80,084 NYSLRS - General Employee
West Seneca $78,472 NYSLRS - General Employee
West Seneca $78,428 NYSLRS - General Employee
West Seneca $77,881 NYSLRS - General Employee
West Seneca $76,764 NYSLRS - General Employee
West Seneca $76,761 NYSLRS - General Employee
West Seneca $76,383 NYSLRS - General Employee
West Seneca $76,297 NYSLRS - General Employee
West Seneca $75,153 NYSLRS - General Employee
West Seneca $74,608 NYSLRS - General Employee
West Seneca $73,634 NYSLRS - General Employee
West Seneca $73,015 NYSLRS - General Employee
West Seneca $72,843 NYSLRS - General Employee
West Seneca $72,467 NYSLRS - General Employee
West Seneca $72,384 NYSLRS - General Employee
West Seneca $72,353 NYSLRS - General Employee
West Seneca $72,321 NYSLRS - General Employee
West Seneca $71,798 NYSLRS - General Employee
West Seneca $71,380 NYSLRS - General Employee
West Seneca $70,701 NYSLRS - General Employee
West Seneca $70,466 NYSLRS - General Employee
West Seneca $70,450 NYSLRS - General Employee
West Seneca $70,074 NYSLRS - General Employee
West Seneca $70,026 NYSLRS - General Employee

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These are not payments made by the Town these are payments made from the pension fund, so this is not what it actually costs the town.

I just learned when plowing or salting on weekends WS workers are getting time and a half. After 3pm there is shift deferential and if on a holiday they are already getting paid for the day and then get an additional time and a half if working on that holiday. So on Presidents day if you were working you received double time and a half.

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Originally Posted by dtwarren

These are not payments made by the Town these are payments made from the pension fund, so this is not what it actually costs the town.

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Never said it was.

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Originally Posted by luv2fish

I just learned when plowing or salting on weekends WS workers are getting time and a half. After 3pm there is shift deferential and if on a holiday they are already getting paid for the day and then get an additional time and a half if working on that holiday. So on Presidents day if you were working you received double time and a half.

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Oh, it's a fantastic contract. I'm not shocked by anything, look at the salaries.

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Originally Posted by WSFirst

Never said it was.

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You are either covering up the fact that you actually thought it was, or by not explicitly saying that it was not paid by the town were attempting to lead people to think it was. Either way it doesn't matter to me.