something to think about along with my fellow veterans
Some things that should make you think a little a little bit . . .
There were 39 combat related killings in Iraq during January . . . 1+ per day.
In the city of Detroit there were 35 murders during the month of January.
That's only one American city--about as deadly as all of war torn Iraq.
Some claim President Bush shouldn't have started this war, but probably
did not stop to consider:
FDR - led us into World War II. Germany had never attacked us; Japan had.
From 1941-1945, 450,000 lives were lost, an average of 112,500 per year.
an average of 308 PER DAY!
Truman - finished that war and started one in Korea though North Korea never
attacked us. From 1950-1953, 55,000 lives were lost, an average of 18,334 per
year - or an average of 50 PER DAY!
John F. Kennedy - started the Vietnam conflict in 1962. Vietnam never attacked
us. Then Lyndon Johnson - turned Vietnam into a quagmire.
From 1965-1975, 58,000 lives were lost, an average of 5,800 per year. Or an
average of 16 PER DAY!
Clinton - went to war in Bosnia without UN or French consent, yet Bosnia
never attacked us.
He was offered Osama bin Laden's head on a platter three times by Sudan and
did nothing. Osama attacked us on multiple occasions.
In the years since terrorists attacked us President Bush liberated
two countries, crushed the Taliban, and crippled al-Qaida. He
put nuclear inspectors in Libya, Iran and North Korea without firing
a shot. The terrorist, Sadam, who had slaughtered 300,000 fellow
countrymen, was captured and is being held for trial by his own
people.
Democrats complain about how long the war is taking . . . but, it
took less time to take Iraq than it took Janet Reno to take the Branch
Davidian compound. That was a 51-day operation.
It took less time for the 3rd Infantry Division and the Marines to destroy
the Medina Republican Guard than it took Ted Kennedy to call the police
after his Oldsmobile sank at Chapaquiddick.
It took less time to take Iraq than it took to count the votes in Florida!
Our Military morale is high!
The biased media hopes we are too ignorant to realize the facts.
. . . but, wait, there's more:
JOHN GLENN ON THE SENATE FLOOR
Date: Mon, 26 Jan 2004 11:13
Some people still don't understand why military personnel do what they do
for a living. The following exchange between Senators John Glenn and
Howard Metzenbaum is worth reviewing. Not only is it a pretty impressive
impromptu speech; but, it's also a good example of one man's explanation
of why men and women in the armed services do what they do for a living.
Senator Metzenbaum to Senator Glenn: "How can you run for Senate when
you've never held a real job?"
Senator Glenn: "I served 23 years in the United States Marine Corps. I served through two wars. I flew 149 missions. My plane was hit by anti-aircraft fire on 12 different occasions. And, I was in the space program.
It wasn't my checkbook, Howard; it was my life on the line. It was not a
nine-to-five job, where I took time off to take the daily cash receipts to the bank.
I ask you to go with me . . . as I went the other day . . . to a veteran's hospital
and look those men, with their mangled bodies, in the eye--and tell THEM they
didn't hold a job! You go with me to the Space Program at NASA. Go, as I have gone, to the widows and orphans of Ed White, Gus Grissom and Roger Chaffee--
and you look those kids in the eye and tell them that their DADS didn't hold a job.
You go with me on Memorial Day and stand in Arlington National Cemetery,
where I have more friends buried than I'd like to remember, and you watch
those waving flags.
You stand there, and think about this nation, and you tell ME that those
people didn't have a job? I'll tell you, Howard Metzenbaum: you should be on
your knees every day of your life thanking God that there were some men--
SOME MEN--who held REAL jobs. And they required a dedication to a purpose,
and a love of country and a dedication to duty, that was more important
than life itself. And their self-sacrifice is what made this country
possible. I HAVE held a job, Howard! What about you?"
For those who don't remember: During W.W.II, Howard Metzenbaum was an
attorney representing the Communist Party in the USA. Now he's a Senator!
If you can read this, thank a teacher. If you are reading it in English thank
a Veteran.subject
Re: something to think about along with my fellow veterans
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Originally posted by buffalojoe
Some things that should make you think a little a little bit . . .
There were 39 combat related killings in Iraq during January . . . 1+ per day.
Combat-related American deaths in Iraq:
Since war began (3/19/03): 1360
Since "Mission Accomplished" (5/1/03) 1252
Since Capture of Saddam (12/13/03): 1056
Since Handover (6/29/04): 727
Since Election (1/31/05): 255
Approximately 13,000 US servicemen & women wounded since war began.
There were 40 US combat-related deaths in January 2004.
Every website I've found lists 107 american deaths during the month of January 2005. That's 3.5 per day.
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In the city of Detroit there were 35 murders during the month of January.
That's only one American city--about as deadly as all of war torn Iraq.
Maybe we should devote some resources to stopping those killings. But as we can see, January 2005 (long after the cessation of major combat operations) was three times deadlier than January 2004, or Detroit.
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Some claim President Bush shouldn't have started this war, but probably did not stop to consider:
FDR - led us into World War II. Germany had never attacked us; Japan had.
And a few days after we declared war on Japan, Germany & Italy declared war on the US, since they had an alliance known as the "Axis".
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From 1941-1945, 450,000 lives were lost, an average of 112,500 per year. an average of 308 PER DAY!
What's your point? That WWII wasn't worth fighting? Or the fact that the Iraq war, which is over 2 years old, hasn't yet produced so many US dead. Maybe that has something to do with the fact that WWII was a world war and not played out on the territory of one country.
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Truman - finished that war and started one in Korea though North Korea never attacked us. From 1950-1953, 55,000 lives were lost, an average of 18,334 per year - or an average of 50 PER DAY!
North Korea invaded South Korea. North Korea started that war. The United Nations Security Council voted to send a coalition of troops to Korea to turn the communists back. You see, back then there was a global cold war between communists & non-communists that occasionally turned "hot". Korea was one of those conflicts. If the UN hadn't come in to turn back the North Koreans (a brutal Stalinist regime), the entire Korean peninsula would now be run by Kim Jong Il. We turned them back almost to the Chinese border, but the Chinese got involved & pushed us halfway back. Truman wouldn't nuke China, so a cease fire was reached which is still in force today. The Korean war is technically still going on today.
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John F. Kennedy - started the Vietnam conflict in 1962. Vietnam never attacked us. Then Lyndon Johnson - turned Vietnam into a quagmire. From 1965-1975, 58,000 lives were lost, an average of 5,800 per year. Or an average of 16 PER DAY!
And there was a very, very strong anti-war movement that developed and totally changed the direction of American political discourse.
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Clinton - went to war in Bosnia without UN or French consent, yet Bosnia never attacked us.
Clinton went to war in Bosnia with NATO and UN consent. Bosnia never attacked us. The Bosnian Serbs were attacking Bosnian Croat & Muslim civilians, and the UN decided that was not a nice thing to do, and NATO decided that genocide on the European continent in the 1990s probably wasn't a positive development.
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He was offered Osama bin Laden's head on a platter three times by Sudan and did nothing. Osama attacked us on multiple occasions.
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In the years since terrorists attacked us President Bush liberated two countries, crushed the Taliban, and crippled al-Qaida. He put nuclear inspectors in Libya, Iran and North Korea without firing a shot. The terrorist, Sadam, who had slaughtered 300,000 fellow countrymen, was captured and is being held for trial by his own people.
Clinton put nuclear inspectors in North Korea, which were promptly expelled when Bush stuck them in the axis of evil. That freed up the N Koreans to complete their nuclear bombs.
The US doesn't have nuke inspectors in Iran, the IAEA does. And the Iranians aren't cooperating.
Libya is cooperating with its nuclear inspectors. Again - not the US, but the IAEA.
It is true that Saddam was captured and is being held for trial. And that is a good thing. But the war in Iraq seems to have no end as long as the Sunni-Qaeda insurgency continues to explode Americans and innocent Iraqis.
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Democrats complain about how long the war is taking . . . but, it took less time to take Iraq than it took Janet Reno to take the Branch Davidian compound. That was a 51-day operation.
We have taken Iraq, but the security situation is anything but stable. And I am sickened when people defend the Branch Davidians. All they had to do was comply with a warrant. Instead, they waged war on the government. And the government defended itself. If you're served with a warrant or subpoena, are you going to shoot the marshal? Anyone who does that deserves whatever they get.
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It took less time for the 3rd Infantry Division and the Marines to destroy the Medina Republican Guard than it took Ted Kennedy to call the police after his Oldsmobile sank at Chapaquiddick.
What on Earth does Ted Kennedy have to do with anything? Must be fun for you to make sick jokes over the body of dead girls.
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For those who don't remember: During W.W.II, Howard Metzenbaum was an attorney representing the Communist Party in the USA. Now he's a Senator! If you can read this, thank a teacher. If you are reading it in English thank a Veteran.
The John Glenn quote you cite didn't take place in 2004. It took place in 1974.
Metzenbaum left the Senate in 1995.
John Glenn left the Senate in 1999
And John Glenn never said those words on the Senate floor, but during a primary race in Ohio when the two DEMOCRATS were battling for the nomination to become Senators.
Finally, the 9/11 commission had this to say: "former Sudanese officials claim that Sudan offered to expel Bin Ladin to the United States....Clinton administration officials deny ever receiving such an offer. We have not found any reliable evidence to support the Sudanese claim."
You, therefore, endorse the claims of former officials of Sudan -- a country that the U.S. Department of State has designated as a state sponsor of terrorism every year since 1993 -- rather than the testimony of Clinton administration officials and the findings of the 9-11 Commission.
When I google "Metzenbaum defend communists", the first sites that pop up are predominantly neo-nazi, anti-semitic sites. Is that where you get your information from?
Re: Re: something to think about along with my fellow veterans
[QUOTE]Originally posted by buffalopundit
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I won't bother to wate any time refuting those claims from pundit who twists the facts and plays with words. If these statements were true, as YOU say, then you are saying two wrongs make a right? Or in this case, a lot of wrongs added to a lot of wrongs, make it all right?
There's no question that 17000 humans died, and we are living history and witnessing it up close and personal. There is no question that the Iraqui war was a total mistake and based on inaccurate and never researched information. Several other things you mention, pundit, were not wars and were not called that or even represented as such at the time.
quote:"In the city of Detroit there were 35 murders during the month of January.
That's only one American city--about as deadly as all of war torn Iraq.
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Maybe we should devote some resources to stopping those killings. But as we can see, January 2005 (long after the cessation of major combat operations) was three times deadlier than January 2004, or Detroit.
Maybe we should stop putting human lives in harm's way in Iraq.
quote; "Maybe we should devote some resources to stopping those killings."
Maybe we should do both. And maybe we should have the money to do both.
There is no question that those are poor values and poor judgment displayed by the president, his lack of forethought about the aftermath of undertaking this war, and lack of concern, along with all of those other issues Bush is trying to force feed down the American gullet. This war will negatively effect every living being on this earth.
Nice thing, the saving thing, is people are catching on to the creeping brutality which this war and Pres Bush have brought on this earth. The earth doesn't need it.
Thanks for bringing your views to this American public where I can speakup against them.
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Re: Re: Re: something to think about along with my fellow veterans
[QUOTE]Originally posted by speaker
[B]
Quote:
Originally posted by buffalopundit
I won't bother to wate any time refuting those claims from pundit who twists the facts and plays with words. If these statements were true, as YOU say, then you are saying two wrongs make a right? Or in this case, a lot of wrongs added to a lot of wrongs, make it all right?
There's no question that 17000 humans died, and we are living history and witnessing it up close and personal. There is no question that the Iraqui war was a total mistake and based on inaccurate and never researched information. Several other things you mention, pundit, were not wars and were not called that or even represented as such at the time.
quote:"In the city of Detroit there were 35 murders during the month of January.
That's only one American city--about as deadly as all of war torn Iraq.
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Maybe we should devote some resources to stopping those killings. But as we can see, January 2005 (long after the cessation of major combat operations) was three times deadlier than January 2004, or Detroit.
Maybe we should stop putting human lives in harm's way in Iraq.
quote; "Maybe we should devote some resources to stopping those killings."
Maybe we should do both. And maybe we should have the money to do both.
There is no question that those are poor values and poor judgment displayed by the president, his lack of forethought about the aftermath of undertaking this war, and lack of concern, along with all of those other issues Bush is trying to force feed down the American gullet. This war will negatively effect every living being on this earth.
Nice thing, the saving thing, is people are catching on to the creeping brutality which this war and Pres Bush have brought on this earth. The earth doesn't need it.
Thanks for bringing your views to this American public where I can speakup against them.]
If you're against the Iraq war, why are you calling me out?
Re: Re: Re: Re: something to think about along with my fellow veterans
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Originally posted by buffalopundit
If you're against the Iraq war, why are you calling me out?
Sorry, pundit--that was my bad....as night owl sez
No, I was never in the military. All surrounding me in my life were. I only know the the ripple effect misery when a soldier dies, and the suffering the soldiers, who did come back, went through in various degrees after they found themselves safe at home.