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June 20th, 2006, 12:35 AM
WNYresident

If they want a better life they can earn it.

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LhardyIf they want a better life they can earn it. Try education and moving your butt to better opportunities?
We all know the econony of WNY is beyond the pits.
So why not move to where jobs are more plentiful?
Why not? because they really do not want to earn a better living, they wanted it handed to them.

So how many other people sort of feel this way. I dont mean lets bus up all the very low income people and ship them out. But in general do you think it's just easier to use the system than to move and work?
June 20th, 2006, 07:44 AM
Cgoodsp466

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Originally Posted by WNYresident

So how many other people sort of feel this way. I dont mean lets bus up all the very low income people and ship them out. But in general do you think it's just easier to use the system than to move and work?

I agree with both of you.Just remember this is a Demo Rat state.This means work what is that? Aint I suppose to get a mo fo check sheet man.
June 20th, 2006, 11:00 AM
woodstock

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Originally Posted by WNYresident

So how many other people sort of feel this way. I dont mean lets bus up all the very low income people and ship them out. But in general do you think it's just easier to use the system than to move and work?

you talked about this line of crap last year, oh.. and um and the year before as well. :rolleyes:

it only takes a few minutes to search the net and find out that from Human Resources Administration Medical Assistance Program of NYS there are Medicaid Monthly Income Level guidelines.

still on a search, i found:

New York state Poverty rate 14.3 Children living in poverty 20.2
Albany County ----- 10.8 ----- 14.5
Allegany County ----- 14.8 ----- 20.4
Bronx County ----- 26.8 ----- 37.0
Broome County ----- 12.9 ----- 18.4
Cattaraugus County ----- 13.6 ----- 19.5
Cayuga County ----- 11.6 ----- 16.4
Chautauqua County ----- 14.9 ----- 22.1
Chemung County ----- 13.5 ----- 19.5
Chenango County ----- 13.5 ----- 20.1
Clinton County ----- 12.6 ----- 16.4
Columbia County ----- 9.8 ----- 14.4
Cortland County ----- 13.4 ----- 17.3
Delaware County ----- 12.6 ----- 19.2
Dutchess County ----- 8.0 ----- 9.4
Erie County ----- 13.0 ----- 18.2
Essex County ----- 11.5 ----- 16.0
Franklin County ----- 14.6 ----- 20.1
Fulton County ----- 12.7 ----- 19.6
Genesee County ----- 9.1 ----- 12.8
Greene County ----- 12.9 ----- 17.9
Hamilton County ----- 9.5 ----- 14.5
Herkimer County ----- 12.4 ----- 17.8
Jefferson County ----- 14.5 ----- 20.4
Kings County ----- 23.3 ----- 33.1
Lewis County ----- 12.9 ----- 18.7
Livingston County ----- 10.8 ----- 13.6
Madison County ----- 10.4 ----- 13.6
Monroe County ----- 12.7 ----- 17.6
Montgomery County ----- 13.0 ----- 20.3
Nassau County ----- 5.9 ----- 7.2
New York County ----- 18.6 ----- 30.6
Niagara County ----- 11.4 ----- 16.0
Oneida County ----- 12.8 ----- 18.3
Onondaga County ----- 12.1 ----- 15.9
Ontario County ----- 8.4 ----- 12.0
Orange County ----- 10.5 ----- 13.5
Orleans County ----- 12.6 ----- 17.9
Oswego County ----- 13.0 ----- 18.5
Otsego County ----- 12.6 ----- 16.3
Putnam County ----- 4.6 ----- 4.6
Queens County ----- 15.4 ----- 21.0
Rensselaer County ----- 9.8 ----- 13.2
Richmond County ----- 10.1 ----- 13.8
Rockland County ----- 9.7 ----- 14.3
St. Lawrence County ----- 15.2 ----- 19.9
Saratoga County ----- 6.3 ----- 8.0
Schenectady County ----- 11.6 ----- 16.9
Schoharie County ----- 11.6 ----- 15.9
Schuyler County ----- 11.5 ----- 17.4
Seneca County ----- 11.3 ----- 16.1
Steuben County ----- 13.6 ----- 20.0
Suffolk County ----- 7.3 ----- 8.9
Sullivan County ----- 13.5 ----- 19.2
Tioga County ----- 9.6 ----- 14.1
Tompkins County ----- 12.9 ----- 13.5
Ulster County ----- 10.6 ----- 13.6
Warren County ----- 10.0 ----- 14.6
Washington County ----- 11.0 ----- 15.9
Wayne County ----- 10.1 ----- 14.5
Westchester County ----- 8.7 ----- 11.1
Wyoming County ----- 10.0 ----- 13.7
Yates County ----- 12.8 ----- 20.6
June 20th, 2006, 03:12 PM
WNYresident

What do those numbers have to do with

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But in general do you think it's just easier to use the system than to move and work?
June 20th, 2006, 03:54 PM
atotaltotalfan2001

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Originally Posted by woodstock

you talked about this line of crap last year, oh.. and um and the year before as well. :rolleyes:

it only takes a few minutes to search the net and find out that from Human Resources Administration Medical Assistance Program of NYS there are Medicaid Monthly Income Level guidelines.

still on a search, i found:

New York state Poverty rate 14.3 Children living in poverty 20.2
Albany County ----- 10.8 ----- 14.5
Allegany County ----- 14.8 ----- 20.4
Bronx County ----- 26.8 ----- 37.0
Broome County ----- 12.9 ----- 18.4
Cattaraugus County ----- 13.6 ----- 19.5
Cayuga County ----- 11.6 ----- 16.4
Chautauqua County ----- 14.9 ----- 22.1
Chemung County ----- 13.5 ----- 19.5
Chenango County ----- 13.5 ----- 20.1
Clinton County ----- 12.6 ----- 16.4
Columbia County ----- 9.8 ----- 14.4
Cortland County ----- 13.4 ----- 17.3
Delaware County ----- 12.6 ----- 19.2
Dutchess County ----- 8.0 ----- 9.4
Erie County ----- 13.0 ----- 18.2
Essex County ----- 11.5 ----- 16.0
Franklin County ----- 14.6 ----- 20.1
Fulton County ----- 12.7 ----- 19.6
Genesee County ----- 9.1 ----- 12.8
Greene County ----- 12.9 ----- 17.9
Hamilton County ----- 9.5 ----- 14.5
Herkimer County ----- 12.4 ----- 17.8
Jefferson County ----- 14.5 ----- 20.4
Kings County ----- 23.3 ----- 33.1
Lewis County ----- 12.9 ----- 18.7
Livingston County ----- 10.8 ----- 13.6
Madison County ----- 10.4 ----- 13.6
Monroe County ----- 12.7 ----- 17.6
Montgomery County ----- 13.0 ----- 20.3
Nassau County ----- 5.9 ----- 7.2
New York County ----- 18.6 ----- 30.6
Niagara County ----- 11.4 ----- 16.0
Oneida County ----- 12.8 ----- 18.3
Onondaga County ----- 12.1 ----- 15.9
Ontario County ----- 8.4 ----- 12.0
Orange County ----- 10.5 ----- 13.5
Orleans County ----- 12.6 ----- 17.9
Oswego County ----- 13.0 ----- 18.5
Otsego County ----- 12.6 ----- 16.3
Putnam County ----- 4.6 ----- 4.6
Queens County ----- 15.4 ----- 21.0
Rensselaer County ----- 9.8 ----- 13.2
Richmond County ----- 10.1 ----- 13.8
Rockland County ----- 9.7 ----- 14.3
St. Lawrence County ----- 15.2 ----- 19.9
Saratoga County ----- 6.3 ----- 8.0
Schenectady County ----- 11.6 ----- 16.9
Schoharie County ----- 11.6 ----- 15.9
Schuyler County ----- 11.5 ----- 17.4
Seneca County ----- 11.3 ----- 16.1
Steuben County ----- 13.6 ----- 20.0
Suffolk County ----- 7.3 ----- 8.9
Sullivan County ----- 13.5 ----- 19.2
Tioga County ----- 9.6 ----- 14.1
Tompkins County ----- 12.9 ----- 13.5
Ulster County ----- 10.6 ----- 13.6
Warren County ----- 10.0 ----- 14.6
Washington County ----- 11.0 ----- 15.9
Wayne County ----- 10.1 ----- 14.5
Westchester County ----- 8.7 ----- 11.1
Wyoming County ----- 10.0 ----- 13.7
Yates County ----- 12.8 ----- 20.6

Pretty hard to just pick up and move to a state where jobs are more plentiful when you're a child in poverty. Same can be said of the poor in general. How do you get bus fare? How do you get first, last rent, money for utilities, money for transportation?

Moving is never cheap. And if you have no skills, the jobs you're relocating for aren't going to pay enough to offset the costs. Unless you've got family elsewhere will to take you in while you get your act together, it's really hard to just pick up and leave.
June 20th, 2006, 04:18 PM
speaker

There's a good article on this subject, the working poor, in Time this week.
June 20th, 2006, 05:24 PM
atotaltotalfan2001

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Originally Posted by speaker

There's a good article on this subject, the working poor, in Time this week.

Thanks for the heads up. I read the article and was astounded. Imagine: A janitor who earns a living wage and gets benefits -- all w/o bankrupting her employer!

Good thing too. I read in Business Week that janitors are among the five fastest growing jobs in the nation.

Here is the link:

http://www.time.com/time/magazine/ar...5378-1,00.html
June 20th, 2006, 05:26 PM
WNYresident

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Originally Posted by atotaltotalfan2001

Pretty hard to just pick up and move to a state where jobs are more plentiful when you're a child in poverty. Same can be said of the poor in general. How do you get bus fare? How do you get first, last rent, money for utilities, money for transportation?

Moving is never cheap. And if you have no skills, the jobs you're relocating for aren't going to pay enough to offset the costs. Unless you've got family elsewhere will to take you in while you get your act together, it's really hard to just pick up and leave.

I totally agree with you. My point was what do those statistics have to do with

" But in general do you think it's just easier to use the system than to move and work?"

I never said there were no children in poverty or not.
June 20th, 2006, 08:51 PM
atotaltotalfan2001

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Originally Posted by WNYresident

I totally agree with you. My point was what do those statistics have to do with

" But in general do you think it's just easier to use the system than to move and work?"

I never said there were no children in poverty or not.

Okay.

For my part, the statistics were a good reminder that most of the people living in poverty are kids who can't do much about it.

But I guess you could say, in a way, that it is easier for poor adults to "use the system" instead of moving to find work for the basic reason that they don't have the money to do so.

I'm not saying you are doing this, but people who rail against the poor tend to brand the poor as lazy losers, and assume that if the poor really wanted to work they'd go to where the jobs are.

And that just isn't realistic, IMO.
June 20th, 2006, 10:19 PM
LHardy

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Originally Posted by atotaltotalfan2001

Okay.

For my part, the statistics were a good reminder that most of the people living in poverty are kids who can't do much about it.

But I guess you could say, in a way, that it is easier for poor adults to "use the system" instead of moving to find work for the basic reason that they don't have the money to do so.

I'm not saying you are doing this, but people who rail against the poor tend to brand the poor as lazy losers, and assume that if the poor really wanted to work they'd go to where the jobs are.

And that just isn't realistic, IMO.

Your opinion is totally wrong.
From what I have read, none of you where ever dirt poor or forced to lived in the street. Underline FORCED; not choose too live in the street. For there are people who prefer living in the street. Unbelievably it is true.
If you had, you would know there are ways to do anything you want when you are poor. You can get bus fare to any destination you choose at a reasonable price.
You can get food and shelter if you know where to look. When your poor, you know where to look.
You know where to get food and where to cash your checks. You also know how to get checks.
Education and job services are free.
Sacrifice is needed if you want to get ahead.
Two key words sacrifice and want. Without those, no person can go anywhere. If you choose to stay poor and in your circumstance, it is YOUR CHOICE. Not the economy nor location.

Many of the statements expressed here have been defeatist, towards the advancement of the poor. Instead of telling them to pick themselves up and take ADVANTAGE of what is out there! I read "They can't do it because.........!" What defeatist statements!
Not even allowing the poor the decency to get out of the gate to try!

How in the hell does anyone run a business with that attitude?
You do not, nor will you run your life with such attitude.

Now we have a conditioned response from the “Working poor” given to them by a government of entitlement.
Why try when you can wait for the coming handout.
Hello New Orleans!
June 20th, 2006, 10:48 PM
steven

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Originally Posted by LHardy

Your opinion is totally wrong.
From what I have read, none of you where ever dirt poor or forced to lived in the street.

I am amazed you know everyone so well, peeking in our windows are ya now?..... or are you just clairvoyant?
June 21st, 2006, 12:24 AM
biker

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Originally Posted by atotaltotalfan2001

Pretty hard to just pick up and move to a state where jobs are more plentiful when you're a child in poverty. Same can be said of the poor in general. How do you get bus fare? How do you get first, last rent, money for utilities, money for transportation?

Moving is never cheap. And if you have no skills, the jobs you're relocating for aren't going to pay enough to offset the costs. Unless you've got family elsewhere will to take you in while you get your act together, it's really hard to just pick up and leave.

I've rewritten what I was going to post to this comment three times. More sarcastic, less sarcastic, really blasting.

Ok, here goes.

THIS IS THE SOB SISTER CRAP THAT HAS TURNED SEVERAL GENERATIONS OF INNER CITY RESIDENTS INTO PERPETUAL WELFARE CLIENTS AND DRUG DEALERS AND RUINED MOST OF THE CITIES OF THE NORTHEAST AND MIDWEST.

Let's take TTF's dismal scenario and make it even worse.

Let's say these uneducated, poor people don't even speak English.

Let's even say they have to move not just to another state, but to another country.

Wait, you've probably figured it out: TTF and I have just described illegal immigrants.

They are poor, uneducated and can't speak English very well.

And they are taking the Southwest by storm, hard-working and ambitious. Willing to take any job to make ends meet.

Here's the biggest scam: TTF knows this. She's from SoCal. She admitted to hiring several for work around her house.

Yet she repeats the liberal, victim crapola line about "our poor couldn't possibly figure out how to fend for themselves."

Puhh-leeeze.
June 21st, 2006, 12:46 AM
atotaltotalfan2001

Quote:

Originally Posted by LHardy

Your opinion is totally wrong.
From what I have read, none of you where ever dirt poor or forced to lived in the street. Underline FORCED; not choose too live in the street. For there are people who prefer living in the street. Unbelievably it is true.
If you had, you would know there are ways to do anything you want when you are poor. You can get bus fare to any destination you choose at a reasonable price.
You can get food and shelter if you know where to look. When your poor, you know where to look.
You know where to get food and where to cash your checks. You also know how to get checks.
Education and job services are free.
Sacrifice is needed if you want to get ahead.
Two key words sacrifice and want. Without those, no person can go anywhere. If you choose to stay poor and in your circumstance, it is YOUR CHOICE. Not the economy nor location.

Many of the statements expressed here have been defeatist, towards the advancement of the poor. Instead of telling them to pick themselves up and take ADVANTAGE of what is out there! I read "They can't do it because.........!" What defeatist statements!
Not even allowing the poor the decency to get out of the gate to try!

How in the hell does anyone run a business with that attitude?
You do not, nor will you run your life with such attitude.

Now we have a conditioned response from the “Working poor” given to them by a government of entitlement.
Why try when you can wait for the coming handout.
Hello New Orleans!

LHardy, I agree. The people who live on the streets aren't forced to do so. From what I've seen and read over the decades, there are almost always mental health issues with people who live on the streets, or the homeless.

My comments were aimed at the idea that if you're poor and really want to work or get better jobs, you should relocate to somewhere with more jobs.

How a poor family affords that is beyond me. There are more jobs in Nevada than WNY, but if you're poor, how do you go about making that move? And why bother, if you don't have the skills that will help you land a decent paying job?

That goes for the working poor as well.
June 21st, 2006, 01:54 AM
WNYresident

So what if NYS started the "Cashout" system. One full year of assistance all at once.

Only stipulation is: You have to move to another state.

Would all the Democratic liberals fight it? They would be out of work because there would be no one to administer social programs to.

Once you accept your "cashout" you can never ever be on NYS assistance in any form ever again. So yes you can move back but you better go live with family. I'm talking like a $20k type buyout.

And no I don't mean I'm carting the low income out of the state forcefully. We are giving anyone who qualifies for assistance a chance for a better future and thats what you want anyone to have? Right? A better future.

Shouldn't people be given the chance if they want it?

Look at the money spend on HUD to help the poor with housing. Lets say they spent 50,000,000 over the last 10 years. That would be 2500 people on thier way to riches.

What did hud really get us over the last 10 years? You do see my point?
June 21st, 2006, 07:15 AM
atotaltotalfan2001

Quote:

Originally Posted by WNYresident

So what if NYS started the "Cashout" system. One full year of assistance all at once.

Only stipulation is: You have to move to another state.

Would all the Democratic liberals fight it? They would be out of work because there would be no one to administer social programs to.

Once you accept your "cashout" you can never ever be on NYS assistance in any form ever again. So yes you can move back but you better go live with family. I'm talking like a $20k type buyout.

And no I don't mean I'm carting the low income out of the state forcefully. We are giving anyone who qualifies for assistance a chance for a better future and thats what you want anyone to have? Right? A better future.

Shouldn't people be given the chance if they want it?

Look at the money spend on HUD to help the poor with housing. Lets say they spent 50,000,000 over the last 10 years. That would be 2500 people on thier way to riches.

What did hud really get us over the last 10 years? You do see my point?

That's an interesting idea. But would we be foisting our problem on a different state? I mean, if we're talking about people w/o skills, they would move on to a different state but only to the lowest-wage jobs. They'd still be poor.
Maybe some kind of stipulation requiring they enter job training if they want the one-time only cash out.....haven't thought that through, so forgive me if it is a half baked notion at this point.
June 21st, 2006, 08:37 AM
LHardy

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Originally Posted by steven

I am amazed you know everyone so well, peeking in our windows are ya now?..... or are you just clairvoyant?

I'm not wrong then am I?
June 21st, 2006, 09:30 AM
speaker

o[QUOTE=LHardy]Your opinion is totally wrong.
From what I have read, none of you where ever dirt poor......[QUOTE]

Yes, you're wrong, Hardy

Total, poor people from the south, by the thousands, had been given rail fare to Erie county especially in the latter half of the 20th century, because the system here was so lenient. When Nelson Rockefeller, a liberal, realized he made a big mistake, he tried to correct it but was roundly defeated. This was one of the factors leading to the failure of NYS as a functioning success.

This does not say I favor exporting our poor. Better use of the funds set aside for the poor, integration of the poor throughout the state and country so the load is lighter for all, better use of the inherent and diverse skills which all people are born with. Sounds like a dream but these things are working for racial integration.
June 21st, 2006, 09:30 AM
biker

I think it wouldn't work Res, cause a lot of people have adapted to the welfare lifestyle.

If it doesn't bother you not to own a house, a car, and live in crummy neighborhoods, you can't get by. All your time is your own. You get fed, clothed, have TV and the utilities are paid.

Come to think of it, prison must not be too much of a deterrent, 'cause it has a lot of the same features as their "normal" life. (Serious point; just occurred to me.)
June 21st, 2006, 09:51 AM
LHardy

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Originally Posted by speaker

Yes, you're wrong, Hardy
Total, poor people from the south, by the thousands, had been given rail fare to Erie county...........

Nope; I'm still not wrong.
Unless of course you have been dirt poor speaker?

Follow the thread and you will find that your response has absolutely nothing to do with my question.

Go figure a liberal makes a mistake and can not correct it, in NYS of all places?

And you still want the poor to stay in NYS without any means of support other then spreading them around all of NY. So that all hard working, successful people can be robbed of their earned money. Taken to support those who choose not to get off their arses and go find work elsewhere.
At what point will you, realize the error of your idea and not be able to call it back?
June 21st, 2006, 10:22 AM
biker

How have these sob sisters---complaining about the inability of our poor, unskilled neighbors to move anywhere---missed the fact that millions of poor, uneducated, non-English speaking illegal immigrants have somehow transported themselves to where the jobs are in our country?

Forget about using welfare money to incent these people to move.

Why haven't the Black churches of America reached out in Underground Railroad fashion to help their brothers and sisters escape the multi-generational bondage they are suffering under in the cities of America?

(Absolutely no sarcasm intended here.)
June 21st, 2006, 11:16 AM
speaker

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Originally Posted by LHardy

Nope; I'm still not wrong.
Unless of course you have been dirt poor speaker?

Follow the thread and you will find that your response has absolutely nothing to do with my question.

Go figure a liberal makes a mistake and can not correct it, in NYS of all places?

And you still want the poor to stay in NYS without any means of support other then spreading them around all of NY. So that all hard working, successful people can be robbed of their earned money. Taken to support those who choose not to get off their arses and go find work elsewhere.
At what point will you, realize the error of your idea and not be able to call it back?

How do you know what any of us have been through, Hardy? I can tell you, yes, some have been through that and more.

And do you think NYS has always been resoundingly democrat? And at least a liberal WILL admit his mistake and try and fix it.
June 21st, 2006, 11:45 AM
LHardy

You can tell me yes?
How do you know what any of us have been through, speaker?

If you would have followed the thought process of what I had said you would know I was refering to those who posted to this thread.

You are the one who posted how a liberal F'd Up and could not correct his error.
June 21st, 2006, 12:29 PM
atotaltotalfan2001

Quote:

Originally Posted by LHardy

Nope; I'm still not wrong.
Unless of course you have been dirt poor speaker?

Follow the thread and you will find that your response has absolutely nothing to do with my question.

Go figure a liberal makes a mistake and can not correct it, in NYS of all places?

And you still want the poor to stay in NYS without any means of support other then spreading them around all of NY. So that all hard working, successful people can be robbed of their earned money. Taken to support those who choose not to get off their arses and go find work elsewhere.
At what point will you, realize the error of your idea and not be able to call it back?

I thought speaker meant to set aside money for job training etc., which should help them obtain the means to support themselves with decent paying jobs.
June 21st, 2006, 12:58 PM
speaker

Quote:

Originally Posted by LHardy

You can tell me yes?
How do you know what any of us have been through, speaker?

If you would have followed the thought process of what I had said you would know I was refering to those who posted to this thread.

You are the one who posted how a liberal F'd Up and could not correct his error.

I did follow your thought process, Hardy. And yes. I did say a lib F'd up, and I don't feel terrible shame about saying it, I don't lie about it, and I don't feel my back was to the wall and I did not respond by snarling and biting and pretending it never happened.
June 21st, 2006, 10:52 PM
LaNdReW

Ok, but..

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Originally Posted by biker

How have these sob sisters---complaining about the inability of our poor, unskilled neighbors to move anywhere---missed the fact that millions of poor, uneducated, non-English speaking illegal immigrants have somehow transported themselves to where the jobs are in our country?
Forget about using welfare money to incent these people to move.

Why haven't the Black churches of America reached out in Underground Railroad fashion to help their brothers and sisters escape the multi-generational bondage they are suffering under in the cities of America?

(Absolutely no sarcasm intended here.)

Is their employment Legal? I mean, are they working at jobs that collects taxes, meets fed/state standards, and a pays legal wage?
June 22nd, 2006, 12:06 AM
biker

Quote:

Originally Posted by LaNdReW

Is their employment Legal? I mean, are they working at jobs that collects taxes, meets fed/state standards, and a pays legal wage?

I don't think so and that's not right.

Don't deflect from my point, though.

We've got people posting here that our poor folks can't possibly get to where the jobs are.

They can't because they're:
poor
undeducated
unskilled

I'm pointing out that an estimated 12 million are here, working, who have the additional drawbacks of:
don't speak English
Have to walk across a desert in order to get to those jobs.
June 22nd, 2006, 12:22 AM
steven

Quote:

Originally Posted by LHardy

I'm not wrong then am I?

Yes your very wrong
June 22nd, 2006, 12:27 AM
DelawareDistrict

You either dismantle the current system so that people relearn values like pride, self-respect and self-reliance or you keep going with the current socialist state. There is no middle ground because the middle ground always grows until it sucks the life out of everyone. The poor, by trapping them in a cruel system and the average taxpayer by sucking the fruits of their labor out of their pockets.
June 22nd, 2006, 12:53 AM
biker

Aptly put, DD
June 22nd, 2006, 02:44 AM
WNYresident

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Originally Posted by atotaltotalfan2001

That's an interesting idea. But would we be foisting our problem on a different state?

And your point?

A lot of states stuck a lot of "assistance" cases here in NYS didn't they?

And we are acutally not sticking anyone with anything. THEY are people and why would you assume they are unskilled? They have all gone through NYS public schools at a minimum haven't they? I mean look at the amount that is spent per pupil.

We are sending an influx of people with our hard earn cash in hand. They have money to spend to get themselves on solid footing.
June 22nd, 2006, 08:04 AM
speaker

Just change the residency law required to receive welfare and more assistance to one year, as Rockefeller tried to do when he realized his mistake.
Enforce it. That's one step.
June 22nd, 2006, 09:31 AM
biker

You can't "send" people anywhere. They have to want to go.

Unfortunately, our multi-generational welfare class has reduced their expectations as to what life has to offer, that they are willing to accept a very marginal state of existence as "normal".

We need some radically new thinking.

Vincente Fox and his administration leave office this year.

How about we appoint his outgoing Minister of Welfare as Erie County's Commissioner of Social Services.

This Minister has put together a regime that is so distasteful that the poorest and least educated of Mexico's population would risk death in the desert and an increasingly-hostile American population rather than stay in Mexico.
June 22nd, 2006, 09:33 AM
biker

Quote:

Originally Posted by speaker

Just change the residency law required to receive welfare and more assistance to one year, as Rockefeller tried to do when he realized his mistake.
Enforce it. That's one step.

That sounds pretty straight forward.

Or how about some changes in health care. Like you don't provide it to illegals. Or if you do, the hospital staff has to call ICE right away.

Currently, they are prevented by law/regulation from calling La Migra.