Lancaster's tax assessor needs work????????

[gorja]

Originally posted by DMarrano:
An IDA PILOT exemption is only on what is called the "Facility Realty" or in laymans terms the building or an addition on a building. When a building sells with an IDA exemption, the IDA PILOT can transfer to the new owner. That does not always happen, but it can

In the case of the airport purchase of the E&E property, since it was only on the vacant land, there was no IDA PILOT on it, so the airport will not have an IDA on the land .

Thanks for the explanation.

[Lee Chowaniec]

Originally Posted by therising

Isn't there already an IDA tax exemption on the airport?
So, if they have an exemption on the entire airport, common sense would dictate that the exemption would expand to this new land, as well.

The question of how much the new parcel will be assessed at is a legitimate one. But it's partially irrelevant, as there probably won't be any taxes paid on it, anyway. (And that's not the assessor's fault.)

Good points. What others are going to be suspicious on is E&E's involvment in the airport expansion process. They did the environmental study on the airport property for Pisaro. As has been already stated several times, that's a heap of money for the parcel involved and what sits on it. As federal taxpayers, that's our money.

[therising]

Originally Posted by Lee Chowaniec

Good points. What others are going to be suspicious on is E&E's involvment in the airport expansion process. They did the environmental study on the airport property for Pisaro. As has been already stated several times, that's a heap of money for the parcel involved and what sits on it. As federal taxpayers, that's our money.

I don't see why anyone would be suspicious as to E&E's involvement. They owned land that they weren't using. The airport approaches them and says "we'd like to buy that land." I suppose that E&E did what anyone would do, and held out for as much $ as possible. How can you possibly blame them for this?

Don't forget, the airport didn't just buy this one parcel. They bought (or, are in the process of buying) all of the land extending from Ransom to their property line.

Yes, the FAA paid much more than market value. And, you can blame the Federal government for that, if you like. But don't blame the property owners - they just got lucky.

PS Who's Pisaro? And I know what environmental report you're talking about.

[ichingtheory]

Originally Posted by therising

I don't see why anyone would be suspicious as to E&E's involvement. They owned land that they weren't using. The airport approaches them and says "we'd like to buy that land." I suppose that E&E did what anyone would do, and held out for as much $ as possible. How can you possibly blame them for this?

Don't forget, the airport didn't just buy this one parcel. They bought (or, are in the process of buying) all of the land extending from Ransom to their property line.

Yes, the FAA paid much more than market value. And, you can blame the Federal government for that, if you like. But don't blame the property owners - they just got lucky.

PS Who's Pisaro? And I know what environmental report you're talking about.

Passero Associates is the engineering firm Lancaster Airport utilizes.
http://www.passero.com/

[4248]

I know I'm a bit suspicious - but, this just doesn't seem to be as simple a deal as Uncle Bobby and friends would have us believe?

Suspicious Local Governmental review process , questionable involvements , hidden tax relief , Lancaster IDA involvement , hidden players/investors , outrageous sums of money being paid out , MILLIONS OF TAX DOLLARS being shuffled around.

Too many local players seem to benefit, this deal and how its progressed is like peeling an onion.

I am more interested in the "Enablers" at this point. Those who have clearly created a well played host of companies. Those who look like solid, but just may have been just "Pass Through Players"

Me thinks this is worth much, much more careful review. Like so many other things done in Lancaster - theres just too many unanswered tax funded questions yet unanswered.


Theo said,"Yes, the FAA paid much more than market value. And, you can blame the Federal government for that, if you like. But don't blame the property owners - they just got lucky."

PS Who's Pisaro?

[Lee Chowaniec]

Originally Posted by ichingtheory

Passero Associates is the engineering firm Lancaster Airport utilizes.
http://www.passero.com/

Thank you ichingtheory for correcting the misspell. I'm sure that if rising was familiar with the environmental report he well understood who I was referring to.

As to the airport property purchases, resale to the original owners and then repurchases by the airport, there is much to be suspicious about on this project. Who gains from this project? Certainly not the residents. That has been made quite obvious.

And gee, why should a taxpayer ever worry how the government pisses away his money. And gee, don't blame E&E, they are just a partner in the airport game of let's fleece the taxpayer.

[therising]

Originally Posted by therising

PS Who's Pisaro? And I know what environmental report you're talking about.

CORRECTION should have been DO NOT know what environmental report...

[Lancaster wetlands]

Originally Posted by therising

CORRECTION should have been DO NOT know what environmental report...

Lee, did't this area include wetlands and if E&E did the environmental report is that not a conflict of interest when they sold the property.

[therising]

Originally Posted by Lee Chowaniec

Thank you ichingtheory for correcting the misspell. I'm sure that if rising was familiar with the environmental report he well understood who I was referring to.
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I still don't follow the environmental report connection. You folks are all more familiar with this than I am. Can you please explain?

As to the airport property purchases, resale to the original owners and then repurchases by the airport, there is much to be suspicious about on this project. Who gains from this project? Certainly not the residents. That has been made quite obvious.

I don't understand the "who gains from this, certainly not the residents" theory.
Two private entities (actually E&E is publicly owned) engage in a real estate transaction. What does this have to do with the residents?

And gee, why should a taxpayer ever worry how the government pisses away his money. And gee, don't blame E&E, they are just a partner in the airport game of let's fleece the taxpayer.

I'm certainly not defending the fact that the paid more than its worth. But, I will defend E&E for holding out for as much money as possible.

Why do you seem to have a problem with that? That truly baffles me.

[therising]

Originally Posted by 4248

Me thinks this is worth much, much more careful review.:confused

Why?

Theo said,"Yes, the FAA paid much more than market value. And, you can blame the Federal government for that, if you like. But don't blame the property owners - they just got lucky."

Yes, I did say that. Do you have something to add, or are you agreeing with me?

[4248]

Theo, go and look at, lets say about the last five or seven years.
Land between Ransom Rd. - West to Pavement - South from Walden Ave to the railroad tracks

You'll notice that area has been sold , resold and it keeps being divided and redivided

Now maybe, just maybe some locals who have good "Insight" got lucky, as you say.


Example: A few years back in the many locals started hearing rumors ! Some even went to the Town Board and asked, Supervisor Giza said,"If there is plans to build there, they haven't crossed my desk." - Now what did he say in that answer?

• He didn't deny it - he didn't say, "I have no knowledge of it"
• He said, "The plans haven't crossed my desk."
• He also didn't imply support or concern for residents inquiries.

Technically in a loose mind, a correct statement - but factually misleading at the very least. Does he mean he hasn't seen the plans or they haven't been passed through him yet?

Could he have said, the zoning Board, Planning Board, Building Inspectors Office and other Departments approve or review it before it "Officially" Reaches his desk?????

Last point - how many, many times when finally cornered - the Town Board leaders say things like, "I legally couldn't talk about it then." - "We could be sued if we blocked the deal" - "Its a long process, so if we tell you people about every project - many of which don't happen - you might think we hide stuff or lie."

Oh, by the way the project I was refering to was the Topps Warehouse Project. Theres more! Now theres the Lancaster Airport Expansion - but they didn't know - they had no input - but they help finanance with tax funds - the approved it - and Lancasters IDA gave them tax relief?????????

Oh! Schucks - I hope Bob doesnt conside this a rumor - I havent sold my house yet!!!!!!!

[ichingtheory]

I agree with you, 4248. I am actually suspicious of a little money laundering scheme. My opinion only. I have no proof but something smells fishy to me.
I should also add that I am in no way implying anyone on the board is involved with property sale and my suspicions.

[therising]

Originally Posted by 4248

Theo, go and look at, lets say about the last five or seven years.
Land between Ransom Rd. - West to Pavement - South from Walden Ave to the railroad tracks

You'll notice that area has been sold , resold and it keeps being divided and redivided

Now maybe, just maybe some locals who have good "Insight" got lucky, as you say.


Example: A few years back in the many locals started hearing rumors ! Some even went to the Town Board and asked, Supervisor Giza said,"If there is plans to build there, they haven't crossed my desk." - Now what did he say in that answer?

• He didn't deny it - he didn't say, "I have no knowledge of it"
• He said, "The plans haven't crossed my desk."
• He also didn't imply support or concern for residents inquiries.

Technically in a loose mind, a correct statement - but factually misleading at the very least. Does he mean he hasn't seen the plans or they haven't been passed through him yet?

Could he have said, the zoning Board, Planning Board, Building Inspectors Office and other Departments approve or review it before it "Officially" Reaches his desk?????

Last point - how many, many times when finally cornered - the Town Board leaders say things like, "I legally couldn't talk about it then." - "We could be sued if we blocked the deal" - "Its a long process, so if we tell you people about every project - many of which don't happen - you might think we hide stuff or lie."

Oh, by the way the project I was refering to was the Topps Warehouse Project. Theres more! Now theres the Lancaster Airport Expansion - but they didn't know - they had no input - but they help finanance with tax funds - the approved it - and Lancasters IDA gave them tax relief?????????

Oh! Schucks - I hope Bob doesnt conside this a rumor - I havent sold my house yet!!!!!!!

Originally Posted by ichingtheory

I agree with you, 4248. I am actually suspicious of a little money laundering scheme. My opinion only. I have no proof but something smells fishy to me.

Again, what does this have to do with E&E?

[Lee Chowaniec]

Rising, read the Airport Environmental study performed by E&E, their take on wetlands and mitigation and in getting necessary permits and approvals - which I believe not all have been received and look at the handsome return on this land that could be used for industrial dvelopment and put on the tax rolls (and won't now) and why wouldn't someone question the amount paid for the land.

As Mr. Marrano stated, the purchase price is so outlandish it will be considered an "outlyer" and not considered in the tax assessing process. But you and I should pay 100% market value for our homes.

You have reason to defend commercial investments, but when something is not right, please acknowledge it as so, especially when the taxpayer is getting screwed over.

[therising]

Originally Posted by Lee Chowaniec

Rising, read the Airport Environmental study performed by E&E, their take on wetlands and mitigation and in getting necessary permits and approvals .

Where would one get this report? Thin air?