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[4248]

Originally Posted by WNYresident

Why not increase the tax base from the current open land now? Are the apartments directly in the way of a project waiting to proceed?

Don't think for a minute at least one person who responds to this thread has an inside interest.

They don't just keep poking at something unless theirs an agenda. The old saying goes, "Lets get a mule to lead the wagon train."

Some people jump in just to feel included, some believe its an innocent debate. All to often theres a monkey in the wood pile. He/they insight others by touching on peripheral issues and all along they garner public support for "their Agenda" - its like INTERNET lobbying.

Find the monkey - find the answer. It ain't about "Fairness" or spreading the burden - its about "MONEY"

Thats my opinion!
Until those who rant about fairness and equality help make it so - they have an agenda!

[keyboard150]

Originally Posted by 4248

Don't think for a minute at least one person who responds to this thread has an inside interest.

They don't just keep poking at something unless theirs an agenda. The old saying goes, "Lets get a mule to lead the wagon train."

Some people jump in just to feel included, some believe its an innocent debate. All to often theres a monkey in the wood pile. He/they insight others by touching on peripheral issues and all along they garner public support for "their Agenda" - its like INTERNET lobbying.

Find the monkey - find the answer. It ain't about "Fairness" or spreading the burden - its about "MONEY"

Thats my opinion!
Until those who rant about fairness and equality help make it so - they have an agenda!

Of course there is an inside interest! Anyone who wants these apartments gone has an interest in building a waterfront that's for everyone, not just for a select few that are getting a handout from the city!

[Save Us]

Originally Posted by 4248

Don't think for a minute at least one person who responds to this thread has an inside interest.

They don't just keep poking at something unless theirs an agenda. The old saying goes, "Lets get a mule to lead the wagon train."

Some people jump in just to feel included, some believe its an innocent debate. All to often theres a monkey in the wood pile. He/they insight others by touching on peripheral issues and all along they garner public support for "their Agenda" - its like INTERNET lobbying.

Find the monkey - find the answer. It ain't about "Fairness" or spreading the burden - its about "MONEY"

Thats my opinion!
Until those who rant about fairness and equality help make it so - they have an agenda!

It would seem that most of us are for putting this land to use for the benefit of all taxpayers in the city, the current residents are not the major concern at least to me.

The MONEY would be for taxpayer.

[keyboard150]

Originally Posted by Save Us

It would seem that most of us are for putting this land to use for the benefit of all taxpayers in the city, the current residents are not the major concern at least to me.

The MONEY would be for taxpayer.

To quote a famous line from Star Trek (Spock):

"The needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few, or the one."

[Linda_D]

Originally Posted by kernwatch

I have concluded that it is virtually impossible to carry on informed discussion of any topic which "Linda D" chooses to dominate.

She has made 27 posts on this topic about Marine Drive Apartments . . . once again she has inserted good information with a maddening mix of utter fiction.

The 100 or so tenants who wanted to privatize the complex were very well organized & worked with respected attorney George Grasser & an expert consultant (name?) who accomplished such transitions of housing to tenant ownership in other cities. And they had a professionally-designed, highly informative "Queenslanding" website, now removed.

They were met by political resistance at every turn, like so much in Bflo, & finally gave up after several years.

"Linda D" has decided from the comfort of Chautauqua County that Bflo should forever subsidize middle income folks to live on the waterfront . . . in the third poorest US city.

"Linda D" wins, I give up.

COPY: from June 2005

There are 600+ apartments in the Marine Drive complex. 100+ tenants wanted a condo conversion in 2005. That's about 16% of the tenants. 84% either opposed the idea or didn't want to get involved.

It's called democracy, Dickie.

[Linda_D]

Originally Posted by keyboard150

Linda,

You are such a hypocrite---seriously.

I'm gonna say it again and again, because you prove it again and again.

You will staunchly fight any effort to remove the skyway and expressway from the waterfront---citing that you shouldn't have to pay the taxes to remove them. (Even though doing so would open up the waterfront to tax-generating land)

However-- you fight anyone who wants to save tax-payer dollars by ending the subsidies at the Marine Drive Apartments---ON THE WATERFRONT!

It seems you never can see the "big picture" in anything. You only see the cost of removing the skyway. You only see the cost of moving the residents out of marine drive.
You don't see the benefits of available waterfront land.
You don't see the benefits of waterfront apartments/condos that are built correctly and in an aesthetically pleasing way.

You make no sense what-so-ever.

What "big picture"? The cutesy artists' rendering of some kind of burgeoning Manhattan-on-the-Buffalo-River Shangri-la where thousands of YUPpies and DINKs stroll the pedestrian bridge between the Inner and Outer Harbors in mid-January?

[leftWNYbecauseofBS]

Originally Posted by Linda_D

There are 600+ apartments in the Marine Drive complex. 100+ tenants wanted a condo conversion in 2005. That's about 16% of the tenants. 84% either opposed the idea or didn't want to get involved.

It's called democracy, Dickie.

So let me see if I have this right....

It is ok to you the "democracy" argument when it works for you and comparing it to membership of the Queens Landing group. But is NOT ok to use the same argument when it comes to the owners of the building, which is the taxpayers of Buffalo. Just how in the heck does that make sense?


How about this Linda? Would you support an audit of Marine Drive to get demographics of the tenants? To see ACTUAL numbers of how many residents are those on fixed incomes compared to those that work for the BMHA like Joe Mascia.


This conversation is going in circles, which is fun, but somewhat unproductive.


We do not know the fair market value of Marine Drive because it has never been put on the market. Why not find out?

We do not know the demographics of the tenants because it serves the BMHA/connected residents to keep that information private. Why not find out?


Why is it so hard for you to accept that people want "democracy" to happen here and make an informed choice with all of the information?

Do you know people who live in Marine Drive?

[keyboard150]

Originally Posted by Linda_D

What "big picture"? The cutesy artists' rendering of some kind of burgeoning Manhattan-on-the-Buffalo-River Shangri-la where thousands of YUPpies and DINKs stroll the pedestrian bridge between the Inner and Outer Harbors in mid-January?

Yeah Linda, that's it. If you want to be a sarcastic little prick as usual---that's exactly what I'm talking about.

A waterfront for EVERYONE, not just a few. And it will happen if the hypocrites like you would get out of the way.

You might want to sit down and actually figure out what side your on, because you don't make any sense at all.

[leftWNYbecauseofBS]

Originally Posted by Linda_D

What "big picture"? The cutesy artists' rendering of some kind of burgeoning Manhattan-on-the-Buffalo-River Shangri-la where thousands of YUPpies and DINKs stroll the pedestrian bridge between the Inner and Outer Harbors in mid-January?

Do you realize just how ignorant this comment is?

You have never been able to support your opinion that people do not want to live downtown or in condos. NEVER.

You have, countless times, deflected information that shows this reality with immature and ignorant comments like the one above. While you claim to have a background in history, I suggest you study up on current events because your perception and opinion is comical.

The fact that you continue to compare any downtown development to Manhattan is simply pathetic. There are several metro regions in the US that are focusing on urban development. Many with a similar climate to Buffalo. The fact that you continually choose to ignore this, continually choose to selectively respond to posts addressed to your ignorance only confirms you are someone who simply has no grasp of reality. Just a very strong opinion.

[keyboard150]

Originally Posted by leftWNYbecauseofBS

Do you realize just how ignorant this comment is?

You have never been able to support your opinion that people do not want to live downtown or in condos. NEVER.

You have, countless times, deflected information that shows this reality with immature and ignorant comments like the one above. While you claim to have a background in history, I suggest you study up on current events because your perception and opinion is comical.

The fact that you continue to compare any downtown development to Manhattan is simply pathetic. There are several metro regions in the US that are focusing on urban development. Many with a similar climate to Buffalo. The fact that you continually choose to ignore this, continually choose to selectively respond to posts addressed to your ignorance only confirms you are someone who simply has no grasp of reality. Just a very strong opinion.

Her ignorance is proven by the continued construction of new housing downtown that is snatched up before it is even built.