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    Lancaster IDA Information

    I did a little homework regarding Lancaster IDA’s. http://www.lancasterny.com/lida/intro.html
    Very interesting reading prior to election time. It may be time for Erie County to scrap IDA program since bad outweighs the good in many cases. Most are legitimate but some, in my opinion, are questionable to say the least. For example, why does Lancaster Airport have three (3) IDA’s? Airport does not produce anything and has no plans (according to master plan) to hire any additional employees. IDA’s allow airport to keep hanger prices low enough to take business away from other small airports. I also notice UNILAND has five IDA’s. Why does a major builder need five IDA’s? How about Ecology & Environment? "Working Together. Finding Solutions.
    Ecology and Environment, Inc., (E & E) works closely with its clients to devise solutions that promote global sustainable economic and human development with minimal negative environmental impact". Really? They are involved with airport which does nothing but create air pollution 24/7. Here is my favorite one: Mary Nowak, Secretary on Cemetery Road has an IDA. Who is Mary Nowak? I remember a Mary Nowak on Town of Lancaster Planning Board. Is she the same person and if so, why does she have an IDA? I have not been able to get more information on this. Anyone out there have the answer? I bet 4248 has the answer.

    Lancaster IDA Information.
    Source: Erie County Department of Finance/Real Property Information
    (Not responsible for errors)

    UNILAND:
    3344 Walden 104.06-1-3.21
    3374 Walden 104.06-1-1.13
    3370 Walden 104.06-1-3.11
    3332 Walden 104.06-1-4.1

    NORTH FOREST PRODUCTS:
    2813 Wehrle 82.03-2-38.112
    2805 Wehrle 82.03-2-38.2
    2801 Wehrle 82.03-2-38.12
    2809 Wehrle 82.03-2-40

    JIFFYTITE:
    4437 Walden 95.00-4-31.1/A
    4437 Walden 95.00-4-31.1/B

    CARDINAL HEALTH:
    3356 Walden 104.06-1-1.111

    ECOLOGY & ENVIRONMENT:
    4493 Walden 95.00-4.20

    NORAM PAC CORPORTATION:
    4444 Walden 95.00-4-33.111

    LANCASTER AIRPORT INC.:
    00 Walden 105.00-3-1.112
    4343 Walden 105.00-3-44.212
    4343 Walden 105.00-3-44.213

    ALCO PLASTICS:
    35 Ward 95.00-4-9.113

    PALMA TOOL:
    40 Ward 95.00-4-9.114 (Seems to be dropped from latest listing)

    PFANNENBERG:
    68 Ward 95.00-4-9.117
    68 Ward 95.00-4-9.117A

    SAMUEL & SON:
    4334 Walden 94.00-4-9.117
    4334 Walden 94.00.3-15.122/B

    SEALING DEVICES:
    4400 Walden 95.00-4-9.2
    4400 Walden 95.00-4-9.2A

    JOHN R. CONNELLY:
    4422 Walden 95.00-4-12.212

    CASEY MACHINE:
    74 Ward 95.00-4-40

    LARRY & CHARLENE ROBINSON:
    51 BEACH AVENUE 104.11-8-3.4

    PCB GROUP:
    Hinchey Avenue 104.11-11-1
    3425 Walden 104.10-1-4.1

    GLAUBER HOLDINGS:
    1600 Commerce Parkway 104.12-1-4.112

    INDY LLC:
    1900 Commerce Parkway 104.12-1-6.214
    1900 Commerce Parkway 104.12-1-6.214/A

    IAP COMMERCE PARKWAY LLC:
    800 Commerce Parkway 104-12-1-8.1
    800 Commerce Parkway 104.12-1-8.1/A

    MARY NOWAK, SECRETERY:
    Cemetery Road 105.00-1-23.1

    4087 WALDEN LLC:
    4087 Walden 105.00-2-6.1A
    4087 Walden 105.00-2.6.1B
    4087 Walden 105.00-2-6.1C

    FBC CHEMICAL:
    4111 Walden 105.00-2-7.112

    TRY-IT DISTRIBUTION:
    4155 Walden 105.00-2-9.13

    TRANSIT LEASING:
    2500 Commerce Parkway 104.12-1-13.2

    POWER DEVICES INC:
    1400 Commerce Parkway 104.12-1-1-4.111/A
    1400 Commerce Parkway 104.12-1-1-4.111/B

    KIDS CORNER INC.:
    2655 Wehrle Drive 82.03-1-58.11

    TOPS MARKETS LLC:
    5873 Genesee Road 94.00-2-53

    KOHLAS PROPERTIES:
    2 Lancaster Parkway 94.00-3-15.112

    WNY BIC’S:
    4284 Walden 94.00-3-26.1

    GARY HOLLAND SALES:
    1 Lancaster Parkway 94.00-3-29.12

    GREAT LAKES MACHINERY INC.
    4 Lancaster Parkway 94.00-3-30.12

    ENGLISH PARK VILLAGE LAND CO.:
    348 Harris Hill Road 82.04-1-3.12
    348 Harris Hill Road 82.04-1-3.112
    ALTEMA ENTERPRISES LLP:
    4380 Walden 95.00-4-6.11

    BURKHARD T. FAMILY LLC:
    5950 Broadway 116.00-2-2.2

    BENDERSON LANCASTER:
    4201 Walden 105.00-2-9.12/A and 105.00-2-9.12/B

    FGWY LLC:
    10 Wendling Court 105.00-1-21.2/A and 105.00-1-21.2/B

    CLASSIC PERFORMANCE:
    80 Rotech Drive 83.00-5-2.121/A and 83.00-5-2-121/B

    SUHUR IND INC.:
    14 Lancaster Parkway 94.00-3-29.112

    CINTAS CORPORATION:
    5740 Genesee Street 83.00-4-6.2

    DEMEIS PROPERTIES LLC:
    140 Rotech 83.00-5-2.14

    KENNETH D. PEZDEK SR.:
    975 Ransom Road 95.00-3-4.12
    TCC NORTH INC.:
    4106 Walden 94.00-4-7.1

    81 & 3 of FLORIDA INC.:
    6511-6517 Transit Road 93.05-1-17.31

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    Good job with the list.

    That's a lot of jobs there.

    To answer the Uniland question - "Why does a major builder need five IDA’s?"....They need it to stay competitive.

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    What is the story with individual names getting IDA's?

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    Quote Originally Posted by ichingtheory View Post
    What is the story with individual names getting IDA's?
    Sometimes people buy buildings under their own name; as opposed to an LLC.

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    Quote Originally Posted by therising View Post
    Sometimes people buy buildings under their own name; as opposed to an LLC.
    I logged onto Erie County Records and tried to get more information on Mary Nowak. Address receiving IDA is actually blocked. Cemetery Road listed, no number.

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    Quote Originally Posted by therising View Post
    Good job with the list.

    That's a lot of jobs there.

    To answer the Uniland question - "Why does a major builder need five IDA’s?"....They need it to stay competitive.
    Doesn't that right there tell you that IDA are wrong in our environment? The answer is not selective IDA's, the solution is to cut spending, the amount we compensate government employees at ALL LEVELS, federal included.

    Why do some businesses in WNY get a little life vest but everyone else get's to bob in the water of high taxes/fees.. etc...

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    Quote Originally Posted by WNYresident View Post
    Doesn't that right there tell you that IDA are wrong in our environment? The answer is not selective IDA's, the solution is to cut spending, the amount we compensate government employees at ALL LEVELS, federal included.

    Why do some businesses in WNY get a little life vest but everyone else get's to bob in the water of high taxes/fees.. etc...
    Exactly right. I agree with idea of getting rid of IDA program all together.

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    Quote Originally Posted by WNYresident View Post
    Doesn't that right there tell you that IDA are wrong in our environment? The answer is not selective IDA's, the solution is to cut spending, the amount we compensate government employees at ALL LEVELS, federal included.

    Why do some businesses in WNY get a little life vest but everyone else get's to bob in the water of high taxes/fees.. etc...
    Ok, you and I will have this conversation for the one millionth and one time, but this is the final time:

    First of all, I don't know what you mean by "in this environment?" What environment are you speaking of? Good? Bad? Current conditions?

    Secondly - Yes, in a perfect world you are correct. Theoretically, expenses should just be cit across the board, and then IDA's would not be necessary.
    So, if you want to start a thread, saying that taxes should be cut across the board, then go ahead and start one. In the mean time, some of us will live in the real world.
    Alternatively, we could take away the inducements and just wait for your idea of reducing taxes to catch on. Meanwhile, we'll lose a boat load of jobs. But, that's OK, I suppose.

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    Quote Originally Posted by therising View Post
    Ok, you and I will have this conversation for the one millionth and one time, but this is the final time:


    You said that last time


    First of all, I don't know what you mean by "in this environment?" What environment are you speaking of? Good? Bad? Current conditions?
    The cost of doing business in WNY/NYS. Fees, Taxes, utility costs. The business enviroment. Even if the enviroment is good I still don't agree with select businesses getting breaks while everyone else does not. I don't want to hear "anyone" can apply because not everyone will qualify.

    Secondly - Yes, in a perfect world you are correct. Theoretically, expenses should just be cit across the board, and then IDA's would not be necessary.

    THey are not necessary. As one business flounders another usually will step up and fill in the void.

    So, if you want to start a thread, saying that taxes should be cut across the board, then go ahead and start one. In the mean time, some of us will live in the real world.

    I live in the real world. We should work to stop all IDA's which in turn will force the politicians to actually do something. ALl we are doing now is letting them stall so they can get to their golden parachute retirement packages.

    Alternatively, we could take away the inducements and just wait for your idea of reducing taxes to catch on. Meanwhile, we'll lose a boat load of jobs. But, that's OK, I suppose.

    If Joe smith loses his job that will not effect me. FOr every Joe smith there is a charley stickenfinder to take his place as a client. DOn't give me **** about jobs. Everytime albany raises taxes/fees it causes job loses and people may move from here. THey only care about themselves and their pockets. Only job that is important to me is mine. Everyone should be in the same boat. I feel bad for anyone who can't compete in the over taxed NYS but that's not my problem.


    only time I think an IDA is valuable is to help lure a business from another community into our community. The community that ends up with the most money wins.

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    Quote Originally Posted by WNYresident View Post
    only time I think an IDA is valuable is to help lure a business from another community into our community. The community that ends up with the most money wins.
    I bet Yahoo was offered an IDA to locate to Lancaster. Too bad they moved to Lockport.

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    If Joe smith loses his job that will not effect me. FOr every Joe smith there is a charley stickenfinder to take his place as a client. DOn't give me **** about jobs. Everytime albany raises taxes/fees it causes job loses and people may move from here. THey only care about themselves and their pockets. Only job that is important to me is mine. Everyone should be in the same boat.
    That's the key right there - you don't personally care about local employment. Now that I know how you feel, I can understand why you say what you say.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ichingtheory View Post
    I bet Yahoo was offered an IDA to locate to Lancaster. Too bad they moved to Lockport.
    Still came into erie county and I'm fine with that.

    If I had a magic wand I think we should make Buffalo all of erie county even with the very poor to the rich all in the mix.

    Remove all duplication of government jobs, all government jobs are just names on paychecks to me. I know they are people but in the end.. we are all social security numbers to the government and it goes both ways.

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    Quote Originally Posted by therising View Post
    That's the key right there - you don't personally care about local employment. Now that I know how you feel, I can understand why you say what you say.
    I care about local employment. I don't believe a local company should get tax breaks to keep their people employed versus another company that doesn't get the break. There's a difference or I'm not getting my meaning across.

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    Quote Originally Posted by WNYresident View Post
    I care about local employment. I don't believe a local company should get tax breaks to keep their people employed versus another company that doesn't get the break. There's a difference or I'm not getting my meaning across.
    To add fuel to the fire, some promise to hire more employees on IDA application and never do. At very least, applicants should be investigated once a year or so.

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    Thumbs down Heres a IDA success story

    Want a good example of IDA Success here in Lancaster!

    On Lancaster's IDA website, this is shown under "Business & Industry"

    Accessories/Colecraft/TR Manufacturing
    Click on the picture to enlarge!
    Attachment 2891-
    The building sits mainly vacant, costs taxpayers millions, created no new employment, pays no property taxes and was arrange by Supervisor/IDA Chair Bob Giza and Town Council.


    Heres more info from Uncle Bobbies
    "Invitational Discount Agency"

    Financial Assistance
    Through the use of industrial revenue bonds, the Lancaster Industrial Development Agency (LIDA) can construct facilities for a term and at a price sufficient to amortize the necessary bonds.

    Advantages to this approach, utilizing tax­exempt revenue bonds, include the ability to write off annual lease costs and the ability to secure a more favorable interest rate.

    Real property tax incentives are generous and require no negotiation. Please ask to review them with us.

    Development & Planning

    Teamwork, planning and innovation are part of the Lancaster tradition. A master plan of action , compiled by a team of land planners and engineers, assures a compatible formula for industrial, commercial and residential growth.

    Development is closely coordinated for orderly expansion and providing all facilities and town services at the time of occupancy.

    Land zoned for industrial use has been carefully selected to provide immediate access to existing or planned transport routes.

    Lancaster is 42 square miles. This area is uncrowded but not under­developed. We have the land and services to absorb growth.

    There are very few topographical limitations that could restrict development.

    Practically all sites are on flat and dry land. We have planned for growth in Lancaster and we encourage it! More that 5,000 acres of land has been protectively zoned for industry.

    __________________________________________________ ____________


    Please as far as most LIDA hand outs, just go to the NYS Board of Elections website.

    Many individuals and company's on the the Lancaster Democratic donors/campaign contributions lists are related to almost every IDA you find.

    As I said many times, Lancaster has a Town History and a well documented "Political/Economical History"

    But, I guess maybe if the Party Boss can create enough tax funded positions - they wont need the other taxpayers - they obviously don't worry about us now!

    Like Uncle Bobby says, "Don't like what we do, vote with your feet!"
    #Dems play musical chairs + patronage and nepotism = entitlement !

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