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    Quote Originally Posted by 4248 View Post
    Many of us believe its more misplaced trust than anything else - it has taken him 3 years to uncover just the tip of the Dem Glad Handing iceberg.

    He has been blocked at every turn by the Dem Controllers - he's not informed of - nor invited to meetings or informational events. He is mislead and misinformed by the Town Clerk and Council Members.

    The Dem appointed full time paid/part time working Town Attorney works for the Dem Controllers and is less than honest with the Supervisor.

    When you have all Departments Controlled by like minded Party Players - stone walling is common place - this needs to change.

    You have one Party rule that thrives on creating Patronage and Nepotism - you have a tax funded bureaucracy of deceit and self service.

    As was stated many times - these people believe they own Lancaster - in their minds the Supervisor is intruding on their entitlements.

    As Councilman Stempniak stated when reelected, "The voters gave us a mandate to do as we see fit"
    Wait...when he and his wife went to the Youth Bureau, they didn't know they were on Town property for a non-town event? I know coke can kill brain cells, but I don't buy that he didn't know where he was or what he was doing when his picture was taken.

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    Quote Originally Posted by nogods View Post
    Wait...when he and his wife went to the Youth Bureau, they didn't know they were on Town property for a non-town event? I know coke can kill brain cells, but I don't buy that he didn't know where he was or what he was doing when his picture was taken.
    As a libtard attorney you are skilled at playing the spin game and must take extreme pleasure in skewering a Republican.

    You fail to acknowledge that the event was initiated when the interim Parks & Recreation crew chief asked Fudoli if it were appropriate for his department to use town vehicles and manpower to pick up toys for the Youth Bureau. Yes, it has been done in the past, but did that make it right.

    Fudoli sought legal counsel and was given advice that it could compromise liability and workman’s comp. coverage if town vehicles went outside town boundaries for a volunteer event. The practice was stopped; other methods were used to get the toys through volunteerism and the event will proceed as planned. If the advice Fudoli was given and acted upon he will be held accountable as well.

    Now if you want to get snarky and say Fudoli should not have been at the Youth Bureau as it is an unauthorized event taking place in a town sponsored building, I will agree but for different reason. Because of the BS brought on by the likes of you he should have been on the job and not spending time off the job doing volunteer work; regardless that it is for a good cause. He was encouraged to appear at the gift preparation event by members of the Youth Bureau program and would hae been shamed had he not appeared.

    We could play the ‘yeah but’ game all day. There’s a big gray area here. Fudoli got placed in another trap to belittle him when all he is trying to do is hold departments accountable and prevent the crap that has been initiated in this town and fostered over time.

    When a resident misspoke and said “can’t you look the other way”, the inference is that the town has been looking the other way for too many years for certain interest groups and this individual was expecting the same to happen.

    As you are an attorney one expects professionalism from you. Your tone and cheap shot coke reference typifies your crassness and mean-spirit and takes way from the good points you do present

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    It's evident that nogods should stick to his tax attorney practice and avoid municipal lawyering.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lee Chowaniec View Post

    When a resident misspoke and said “can’t you look the other way”, the inference is that the town has been looking the other way for too many years for certain interest groups and this individual was expecting the same to happen.

    And what he should have said, if he really was prohibiting the use of those vehicles because of insurance concerns instead of for taking political revenge, was "No I can't look the other way and that also means I can't allow the event to use any town property, including the Youth Bureau."

    But no, he said "get yer cameras because I'll be there for a photo shoot" exposing the real reason he interfered with the trucks.

    Moreover, if there was a real issue with insurance coverage, his response should have been "how do we fix it" instead of "how can i use this to take revenge on my political opponents..."

    Did he call the Town's insurance agent to see if an endorsement was necessary to have coverage for both the trucks and the town facilities?

    He couldn't ignore the questionable use of trucks to transport toys because no one was going take his picture driving one of those trucks.

    Has he started a review of all town facilities used in connection with non-town organizations? Will he be announcing that from this point forward no Little League organization will be allowed to use any town facilities or equipment? Or will he look the other way?

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    Quote Originally Posted by nogods View Post
    And what he should have said, if he really was prohibiting the use of those vehicles because of insurance concerns instead of for taking political revenge, was "No I can't look the other way and that also means I can't allow the event to use any town property, including the Youth Bureau."

    But no, he said "get yer cameras because I'll be there for a photo shoot" exposing the real reason he interfered with the trucks.

    Moreover, if there was a real issue with insurance coverage, his response should have been "how do we fix it" instead of "how can i use this to take revenge on my political opponents..."

    Did he call the Town's insurance agent to see if an endorsement was necessary to have coverage for both the trucks and the town facilities?

    He couldn't ignore the questionable use of trucks to transport toys because no one was going take his picture driving one of those trucks.

    Has he started a review of all town facilities used in connection with non-town organizations? Will he be announcing that from this point forward no Little League organization will be allowed to use any town facilities or equipment? Or will he look the other way?
    There you go; excellent points.

    That said, to someone who is no legal beagle but seen firsthand what transpired at the meeting, it was the council members who challenged Fudoli’s ruling that town vehicles could not be used for other purpose than conducting town business; and/or town employees on the clock for volunteer work. They brought this matter up knowing full well that other arrangements were made and that the needy would be served.

    Youth Director John Trojanowski declared he understood the ruling, got volunteers to make the out of town pickup and will be prepared to handle the situation in the future. Until otherwise proven, this is all political claptrap and after the fact.

    Fudoli set the rule based upon advice given by hired outside council and based upon liability and workman’s compensation coverage. The town is covered by liability insurance in every other aspect it is engaged in. This is like comparing apples to oranges.

    Fudoli was at the Youth Bureau because he supports the event and especially since he was cajoled into doing so at the meeting.

    It were the council members who engaged and challenged Fudoli on the ruling, as is their prerogative, and it is now up to them to follow through to see if his decision is credible and binding.

    Too many past handshake agreements and looking the other practices by past administrations have precipitated this action.

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    What happens if other holidays characters demand use of town equipment for their needs?

    What if the Easter Bunny shows up instead of Santa? Will town employees and truck be used to make egg deliveries?

    What if the Tooth Fairy shows up instead of Santa? Will town employees and truck be used to pick up teeth?

    One question I asked earlier was. Are town employees on payroll or possible over time when the toy deliveries were being picked up? If so why weren't volunteers used?

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    Quote Originally Posted by WNYresident View Post
    What am I missing here?

    Why would board members add so much drama to this situation?

    U-Haul donated a truck and volunteers picked up the toys. Right? There really is no reason to use a town owned truck for this or to use paid town employees for this. Correct?

    U-Haul can donate a truck each year if they want and volunteers can do the rest if they want. Right? Even town employees can volunteer on their own time. Correct? If one year U-Haul says they can not donate a truck I'm pretty sure a few business people in Lancaster can chip in and rent a truck. Correct?
    This post should have ended the thread a long time ago, it's right on. Lots of drama being created in Lancaster.
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    It should have ended before Councilman Stempniak and Abraham pulled these Party Buddies into the Town Hall.

    Yet the Bufnews had to take the lead and run with it - they are so easily lead into these non issues.

    Maybe a less bias - reporter/paper would have saw right through this Dem attempt at creating a Political issue/situation. - But that would entail some actual thought before writing.

    Notice how the news completely ignored the fact the Supervisor - volunteered and helped on their own time. But why spoil a chance to create so disharmony and false impressions ?

    Stand Up Supervisor - Merry Christmas !
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    Quote Originally Posted by 4248 View Post
    Stand Up Supervisor - Merry Christmas !
    Yup...go get your picture taken at a non-town event taking place on town own property....because you didn't think to ask 'wait...if we can't allow trucks to pickup toys for this event, how is it we can let them use our building to run the event?"

    The dumb ones are the people who skipped right over that little conundrum. Smile, your on no BS camera.

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    What truck was used? Does the town own a cube van for moving stuff around?

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    You see what Nogods and others skip over is the controlling members have been doing things wrong for years. Misusing Town workers, equipment and facilities all to make people believe they are gifts brought by the Dems.

    All these years they didn't know tax dollars were paying for all these nice little "Gifts of good will" -

    The Supervisor should reaffirm ignored rules/guidelines and investigate the fuel use records at the High School gas station. Log books for all tax funded vehicles - sign in/out records with drivers names, mileage and reason for use.

    Don't let this Christmas smoke stand in your way - that's what they want. They are trying to make him leery of taking any further reform actions.

    You can totally disregard what Nogods posts - he's a died in the wool Dem washed Party Lawyer.
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    The sad thing is that the government rips us off at much bigger and better levels. This incident is a drop in the bucket compared to what really goes on. The supervisor is probably right in this case and it's definitely not wise to go against legal advice especially since his inquiry on the subject has been documented. Standing up against the abuse or misuse in this case, gets you a black eye from the low information public who doesn't know any better because its Christmas and it's "for the children ". If only Dino and the rest of the so called watch dogs were really looking out for taxpayers instead of distracting us with a rinky dink dog and pony show, we might actually have a better government. Bottom line is if Dino was really working for a change, he'd find bigger fish to fry. There are plenty out there.
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    Quote Originally Posted by NY The Vampire State View Post
    The sad thing is that the government rips us off at much bigger and better levels. This incident is a drop in the bucket compared to what really goes on. The supervisor is probably right in this case and it's definitely not wise to go against legal advice especially since his inquiry on the subject has been documented. Standing up against the abuse or misuse in this case, gets you a black eye from the low information public who doesn't know any better because its Christmas and it's "for the children ". If only Dino and the rest of the so called watch dogs were really looking out for taxpayers instead of distracting us with a rinky dink dog and pony show, we might actually have a better government. Bottom line is if Dino was really working for a change, he'd find bigger fish to fry. There are plenty out there.
    Do you live in Lancaster? Did you ever attend a town board meeting? What makes you an expert on Lancaster politics?

    Some of his watch dogs feel that the following are but a few of the actions that have been accomplished under his administration; an administration where he is but one of five Republicans on a board that had been controlled by DEMS for the prior 16 years.

    It’s pretty difficult to bring change when the four Democratic council members have openly said to him that they have the vote (majority) and do what they want.

    If Fudoli gets two Republicans elected in next year’s election, you will see major change; that is if he is re-elected. The smear campaign against him is already underway. Under Fudoli’s administration we have already witnessed:

    • Three consecutive years of property tax cuts, after 13 consecutive years of tax increase under the DEMS

    • The sale of the white elephant Walden Avenue Colecraft Building (wasting millions of taxpayers’ dollars under the DEMS) and using the money to pay down the debt

    • The sale of the former Depew Library Building

    • The pending sale of the Dog Control property, department reorganization and a cost savings move by consolidating services with the Town of Clarence – as continues to be done with the sharing of the Town Assessor

    • Holding departments fiscally responsible by negotiating union contracts that call for all town employees to contribute to their health insurance – where now no one contributes a dime

    • The transparency and openness that have become evident at town board meetings and by viewing the town’s improved website

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