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    What happen to the White Tail back in pro football

    http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/page2...ge=hill/080926

    It's difficult to tell whether the lack of white tailbacks is a result of nature or nurture. Are white athletes pursuing or being pushed into other positions because they're intimidated by the racial dynamics? Or is there something to the controversial theory that this is the merely the unraveling of genetic trends?



    The answer is maybe … and maybe. VERY INTRESTING ARTICLE WRITTEN BY ESPN'S OWN JEMELE HILL
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    What's the matter, Troofy?

    Your race baiting isn't getting any action in other sub-fourums, so you figured you'd try here?

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    I thought this was a "trick" question

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    This is an old article, but here is the real reason...

    Arguing the Caste System With YouTubers
    http://www.castefootball.us/viewarti...mID=0&ID=23383

    (10/3/08) By ToughJ.Riggins

    YouTube is a website that can allow the masses to see the jaw-dropping talents of top white high school skill players from their highlights. If they can see the game tape through an objective lens they will see that Rivals.com’s rankings are the epitome of bogus. These are recaps of many arguments I have had on YouTube with football fans.

    Below are many statements made by me, on YouTube, arguing with posters who were mocking Jacob Hester and other white athletes. I have argued on YouTube with many of these misguided souls and it often seems to be a lost cause. The good thing is, I have gotten some PMs from folks saying they agree with me and even converted a couple of the dissenters to at least admit I have some valid points. I also sent some newspaper articles on the issue to some YouTubers. I organized all these comments into different categories.

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    Discrimination and positional slotting in the NFL:
    Tell me why white RBs and WRs were some of the best players of their day long after the NFL integrated. There were RBs Jim Taylor (who out-rushed Jim Brown one year and was a leader of the Packer championship teams), Paul Hornung, Hugh McElhenny, Marc Van Eeghan, Larry Csonka, John Riggins ('83 Super Bowl MVP), Craig James; WRs Lance Alworth, Steve Largent and many others. So why are there virtually no white RBs and WRs now? I think you'd be foolish if you don't see that there are other forces at work behind the disappearance of white skill players.

    Look at the case of Tim Shaw: He was Michigan's all-time leading rusher when he finished high school and ran a 4.44 40 at the Nike Combine. He was called a possible "faster version of Brian Leonard" by Draftdaddy.com. He had 2,611 yards rushing and 41 touchdowns as a senior, becoming Michigan Gatorade player of the year. In high school he won the Michigan state 100 meter championship. Then he comes to Penn State as a HB, but after a mere 13 carries for 56 yards gets switched to LB.

    Shaw could have been a great contributor to the Penn State backfield and in my opinion would have been better than bubble butt Tony Hunt. Tony Hunt ran a 4.66 40 yard dash at his Pro Day and had an adequate, but not overly impressive 5.2 yard per carry behind Penn States talented offensive lines. Hunt's best year statistically was as a senior when he ran for 277-1386-5.0 and 11 TDs. Tim Shaw could have surely been better in my honest opinion.

    Let’s talk about the aforementioned Brian Leonard: Leonard was put in an impossible predicament last season. Leonard started 3 games with 3 and then 4 starting offensive linemen out. QB Marc Bulger was injured as well and WR Issac Bruce missed at least 2 of Brian Leonard’s 3 games started. Leonard finished the season with these not so shabby rushing numbers for a rookie put in this position: 86-303-3.5-0 TDS and respectable receiving numbers 30-183-0 TDs.

    However looking at the early season when the Ram’s were less decimated by injuries Leonard was matching Steven Jackson with 3.9 yards per carry. Despite all the obstacles Leonard had to deal with I have seen several comments from silly fans on message boards saying Leonard is clearly not a HB. Steven Jackson would return to a much better situation with Marc Bulger soon back in the lineup and finish the season rushing for 1002 yards on 4.2 yards per carry and 5 TDs.

    So what is the very biased Sporting News Magazine’s Fantasy Football 2008 edition saying about Brian Leonard? Here’s a snip: “Leonard was largely unimpressive in Steven Jackson’s absence last year, which explains why the Rams are asking him to bulk up and play fullback.” Now here is what these caste bigots have to say about 4th round draft pick Antonio Pittman, cut by the Saints. “Pittman unseated Brian Leonard last season to become Steven Jackson’s top backup.” Pittman actually had more of his handoffs than Leonard over the season in a better situation with Bulger back in the lineup and the WRs healthy to open up the offense.

    So how much better did Pittman do with his carries than Leonard to “unseat” him? Here are his final stats 38-139-3.7-0 Tds. He also is clearly much less suited than Leonard to be a receiving option. Pittman finished the season with 3 catches for 15 yards.

    When doing research I found that almost half of white NFL WRs were Division IA walk-ons. They are good enough for the NFL, but not Div. IA football? That makes no sense. Jordy Nelson (runner up for the Biletnikoff Award this year), Kevin Curtis (although he went on a Mormon mission for a year after high school which may have scared some college recruiters away once he returned) Kevin Kasper (20 yard and 60 yard shuttle NFL Combine record holder), Mike Hass (Biletnikoff winner), Mike Furrey, and Wes Welker all couldn't get a Div. IA scholarship out of high school despite having outstanding H.S careers that would make scouts salivate over them if they were minority athletes.

    The only one out of these guys that I could see a reason why he didn't get a scholarship to Division IA is Welker b/c he is both quite undersized (5'9) and only runs a 4.6 40 yard dash. It is fair to say that scouts may have overlooked his jaw dropping agility and short area quickness.

    Or how about Drew Bennett? He finished second in the AFC in 2004, but his production dropped with Steve McNair being over the hill & injured and then having had Vince Young just come in, adapting to the NFL. Last year as a Ram, they had Bennett trying to play out of position as the 3rd WR in the slot. The aging Issac Bruce who the Rams cut this off-season (who had a great career) would have been much better suited for the slot; his skills translate there unlike Bennett, who is a clearly a Flanker. Bennett struggled with a hamstring injury last year and had to play on a Rams team decimated by injuries. Four Rams starting offensive lineman were injured for most of the year. And even Marc Bulger, Issac Bruce and Tory Holt missed some games with injuries. Yet Drew Bennett is being crucified by Rams fans, because he struggled last season with a few drops and poor numbers.

    Black WRs get chance after chance, just look at Mike Williams (still in the league getting another chance with Tennessee), Troy "drop" Williamson already projected ahead of Matt Jones in Jacksonville, having just joined the team. Or how about Koren “drop” Robinson "a DUI waiting to happen" finally cut by the Packers, although I’m sure he’ll find a new home. Or how about plodding Justin Gage or Bobby Wade, if they were white, I guarantee they wouldn’t have gotten a look.

    However, Drew Bennett won't be given the same chance. He deserves a chance to have this training camp, pre-season and season to redeem himself. But all I see on footballsfuture.com Ram's message boards is "Bennett sucks." I don't see the same hate for Troy Williamson, Mike Williams, Mark Bradley in Chicago (who is somehow still ahead of white Biletnikoff award winner Mike Hass on the Bears depth chart despite missing most of his first 4 seasons with injury). Hass is called slow, but is faster than guys like Bobby Wade, Justin Gage or fellow Biletnikoff award winner, the ageless Josh Reed (who have started and don’t play fast or impress either).

    Hass has a “much” more impressive resume than all 3 except Reed. You would think that the fans would be very angry at these black WRs also for their team wasting a high draft pick or playing time on them. Blacks like them get chance after chance.

    Anthony Gonzalez being drafted in the first round doesn’t disprove any of my arguments. Gonzalez considers himself more Hispanic than white. Gonzalez also certainly got a lot of hype being from Ohio State. Ohio State is a big time program and Gonzalez ran a 4.44 at the NFL combine which is faster than your typical “starting WR” in the NFL. The median starting NFL WR runs about a 4.5 by my research. I think being that Gonzalez was drafted in the 1st round, he won't be under scrutiny right away for being an anomaly in the NFL, a white WR, at least until he makes a clear drop of “a whole 3 passes” during the season up until the end of the playoffs like Matt Jones. Then he may never start again.

    Lastly, look at Eric Weddle. Weddle had the NFL combine record since 1999 in the 10 yard dash, until it was broken this year by Chris Johnson. Weddle runs a respectable 4.48 "for a starting CB", virtually the same time as Aqib Talib (4.47) and Antoine Cason (4.49), the two slowest first round CBs in the 2008 draft. Brandon Flowers only “dropped” to the 4th pick in the second round after he ran a 4.55. Reggie Smith, a third round CB this year, ran a 4.61 40 yard dash. Weddle played CB in 2006 in college and held Calvin Johnson to one catch covering him, yet can only be a safety by NFL standards.

    The same goes for Dustin Fox who is even more athletic than Eric Weddle. Fox ran a 4.45 40 yard dash and posted an insane 43.5 inch vertical, which is tied for 4th since 1999 at the NFL Combine since NFLdraftscout.com started keeping track of it. On top of having blazing measurables, Fox was the top CB for Ohio State's 2002 championship team. Drafted by the Vikings in the 3rd round in 2005 after 3 more impressive seasons, they immediately tried to move him to safety which is clearly his second best position. Fox commented on being a rare white CB in an interview with NFLdraftscout.com as well as NFLdraftblitz.com, he hinted that his race might have had something to do with being considered a Safety by the NFL in the interviews. However, he said that he'd play wherever the Vikings wanted him to. Of course with the Vikings that turned out to be safety.

    There is so much evidence of a caste system it is mind boggling!
    Speaking of freak athletes, how about athletic QBs? This of course, always seems to equate to a black QB
    Take a look at the case of Matt Jones. A victim of discrimination perhaps?

    Matt Jones and the Blacksonville Jaguars, the ultimate caste team:
    Matt Jones was a scapegoat for QB shuffling galore (between Byron Leftwich, David Gerard and Quinn Gray), he battled injury, he was called a butterfingers for a mere two blatant drops during last season. The Jaguars had a mere 6 white players “on their entire roster” if you fail to mention the “non-athletic” 2 Kickers, Punter and Long Snapper they carried. The coach would rather “blame whitey”. It's easy to do on a team w/ 6 whites because they stand out to the drunk white fans.

    Despite all the hate, Jones was actually the Jaguars leading WR in the 2006 season. It was Jones' second year in the league and he was still learning a new position. He was also dealing w/ a hamstring problem that kept him out of 2 games and limited him in at least two others. The Jaguars are ridiculous. Ernest Wilford runs a plodding 4.78 40 yard dash and was the slowest starter in the league last year, he started last year over Matt Jones, who runs a 4.37 (the same time as Reggie Bush and DeAngelo Hall) in a 6'6 235 lb body.

    Usually it’s speed that screws over white players in evaluation. Mike Hass ran a slow, but not overly slow 4.59 40 yard dash at the NFL combine and dropped to the 6th round, despite winning the Biletnikoff as college’s best WR in his 2005 senior campaign. Hass reminds me a lot of Issac Bruce, by how he plays. Bruce was a great player, but was considered a little slower than average also. So even with the NFL’s obsession with speed, slow black players are evaluated for their other skills, not so for the white WR.

    So the drunk white fans on Youtube went on to tell me about poor black Brad Smith being switched from QB to WR. Could Brad have been a victim of discrimination? I don't know. But Brad is flourishing as a backup WR in New York. Meanwhile Jones is ridiculed by his coach, who even hinted that Jones is that part of the female body that no man wants to be referred to as and also maligned him to the media for having a lackadaisical attitude. Jones is what he is; he's a laid back guy, but that doesn't mean he doesn't try.

    The black QB white RB comparison:
    So maybe black Brad Smith was a victim of discrimination for being switched away from QB. Was Matt Jones? Was Eric Crouch as well? Eric Crouch had the burst, speed and open field elusiveness that could have allowed him to make the switch to RB, if QB didn't work out. Yet mad man Mike Martz as the Ram’s coach wouldn't let Crouch play either of the two positions Crouch's talent projects at. Martz insisted on turning Crouch into a slot WR, which equals a more appropriate role for whites in today’s NFL. Crouch is a ball in hand player not a guy to try to teach to go over the middle and make the tough catch in traffic. NFLdraftscout.com projected Crouch as the 20th best RB in 2003 despite never playing the position before. It clearly would have been much easier for Crouch to learn RB, as he was already doing basically everything a RB has to at Nebraska.

    Essentially, I think that the best QB plays nowadays for the most part, with the exception of Tarvaris Jackson. Jackson was actually behind Matt Jones at QB on the depth chart at Arkansas before transferring to a small school, but now gets his chance to start in the NFL despite having little talent from what I have seen of him on tape. There is no discrimination against the black QB anymore, but whites are now discriminated against at RB, CB and WR and most other positions too.

    Black QBs did used to have it rough there is no question about that, but not anymore. In an America where Mike Vick up until a couple years ago got as much praise, and as big a salary, as Peyton Manning and two out of the last three drafts have seen Jamarcus Russell and Vince Young as the first QBs taken; you could definitely make the argument that black QBs are favored. Vince Young made the Madden cover after one solid rookie season; talk about hype! I’m not saying he can’t become a star, but he isn’t a star yet. And Rush Limbaugh gets canned for even mentioning that the media overrates black QBs.

    It's easier to call people racist than to have gracious genuine debate. I feel happy when I see blacks in the NHL b/c they're underdogs and used to be discriminated against there. There was even a sticking incident a few years back against a black player that could have been racially motivated. I never said that blacks don’t deserve to be QBs. McNabb was a top 5 QB in the game before his current injury problems. Someone like Jason Campbell could blossom into a good QB one day, but let's not anoint him savior of the league yet.

    One of the YouTube Morons went on to imply that black QBs are still discriminated against. Blacks are more likely according to their numbers in the U.S populace to make it as QBs. Blacks are superior at everything to these brainwashed white fans. They honestly think blacks are so "different" than whites that they should be 100% of NFL RBs. I believe in human similarity, they're in fact the racist ones.

    I'd love to see a day when there are Asian and white RBs so people other than blacks can have a role model to aspire to at those positions. I only root for white players staunchly in sports that they are underdogs in. I am happy to see black winter Olympic athletes for instance.

    Racism in the Media:
    The media mocks white athleticism; ie. Bill Walton’s comment a few years back about Steve Nash, something along the lines of “not being able to jump over two sheets of paper” and “not having an athletic advantage against anyone he plays against.” Bryant Gumbel's comments mocking Winter Olympic athletes as “not really athletes” and saying, (paraphrased) the Winter Olympics is so white it looks like a Republican National Convention."

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    Eric Dickerson, Michael Irvin & John Thompson made controversial comments mocking whites for lacking elusiveness for the black man’s “chosen position”. A disparaging comment about white speed (Tony Romo’s so fast he’s got to be part black his “great grandmother” must have taken some “brotha” “back behind the barn” “back in the day.”) And John Thompson made a comment about why Georgetown hasn’t recruited white players saying something along the lines that he questions their defensive ability for the G-Town type of game.

    There are many self loathing whites too like Kevin Hench from Fox Sports. He did an article disparaging the Saints all white LB corps known as “the Snow Patrol” saying: ”Only a cynic (like me) could watch the New Orleans player intros in Week 1, see an all-white starting linebacker corps and go "uh-oh." Maybe if their names were Urlacher, Hawk and Vrabel, I'd have felt differently, but after Scott Fujita, Scott Shanle and Mark Simoneau got trampled and thrown over for 452 total yards, the linebacking corps look more like a linebacking corpse. The last all-white starting linebacker unit to win a Super Bowl? I figured it would be Jack Lambert, Jack Ham and Andy Russell in SB X, but Lambert, Ham and Loren Toews started for the Steelers in SB XIII. If the Saints trio can't contain the lowly Bucs, the affirmative action experiment will have to end.”

    Maybe he failed to pick up on the fact that Scott Fujita has a 42 inch vertical which is in the top 25 players at the NFL combine for vertical leap since 1999. But one really bad game, which was the entire defense, not just the linebackers, and he immediately assumes that these white LBs are not good athletes and somehow put into place because of affirmative action. We all know affirmative action and the media together strongly favors blacks! White affirmative action, what a lame joke? Talk about an Oxy-“Moron”, and his name is Kevin Hench!

    It is a 13% black country yet all 3 of the booth guys on NFL Network games are black. And one of the three said about Kevin Curtis, despite having more catches than any WR not named Terrell Owens in Phili in the last 9 years: "You know, if Kevin Curtis is your 3rd receiver, then you've got a great receiving corps. If he's your #2 or even your #1, then you're in trouble."

    Then during another game Steelers RB Najeh Davenport was trying to jump over the goal line to score. In doing so, he only jumped a pathetic 5 or 6 inches off the ground before he was tackled (a crappy play, I admit). One of the three telecasters (I think it was Deion) exclaimed: "He has Larry Bird hops!"

    It isn't only the black commentators (who are way overrepresented when you consider the U.S population demographics) that lambaste white players unfairly. Tony Kornheiser has given Curtis similar hate. Kornheiser talked about how Kevin Curtis “doesn't scare anybody as a WR” on the week two Monday night football telecast in only his second game as a Philadelphia starter.

    Draftdaddy.com had this to say about "Kornyheiser's" comments later in the season: DD.comment: Doesn't surprise us at all that the "rowdy" Philly fans are scapegoating Kevin Curtis, despite his fine stats and solid play, as they seem to be following the lead of the brilliant Tony Kornheiser, who basically dubbed Curtis a total scrub earlier in the season. If he said it, it must be correct?

    Kevin Curtis Lacks Respect Among Eagle Fans --
    Fri Jan 4, 2008 --from FFMastermind.com "Eagles WR Kevin Curtis caught 77 passes during the 2007 season, which was the fourth most by an Eagles wideout since the league went to a 16-game season in 1978. He had 1,110 receiving yards, which was the seventh most by an Eagle since 1978. And he averaged 14.4 yards per catch, which was eighth among NFL receivers with at least 60 receptions this season. But while Curtis might have long ago earned the respect of FS Brian Dawkins and his other teammates, fans of the team have been a little slower in coming around. They've been showing their appreciation for Curtis' impressive season by calling the talk shows and/or sending out e-mail missives to the media clamoring for an upgrade to the wide-receiving corps.

    There are hoards of media articles every year about the under representation of black Major League Baseball players. If you don't believe me just check Jeff Passan's recent blog on Yahoo on the exhausted subject. Yet there is never anything on the under representation of white football players. We heard for months about the Houston Astros, their World Series team having no African American players. Yet when you count in how baseball is now an international sport -- which includes black Hispanics -- blacks are not underrepresented. Sure black Americans are only 8 or 9 percent of MLB players, but whites are also slightly less than 67% percent of baseball players despite being 67% percent of the U.S population. This certainly isn't a racial issue and if anything black Americans are just picking other sports now. The media is still looking for more minority discrimination stories anyway though. Anything that suits their PC interests.

    More on racial representation in sports:
    It is pretty obvious that with baseball becoming an international sport that there would be less black Americans. However, there are also less white Americans. If there is one sport where blacks were discriminated against recently it could be hockey b/c it was a shock to see a black player on the ice. But now Jarome Iginla and Anson Carter have opened people’s eyes that blacks can play and they now have equal if not better opportunity to achieve success in the sport if they are interested.

    Blacks are 13% of the U.S population yet make up roughly 20% of NFL QBs the last time I checked. So why are people still talking about the lack of black QBs? Or why did McNabb say that "black QBs need to do more to earn respect?" Most evidence points to the contrary nowadays. The drunken stereotyping white fans have come around to supporting even a mediocre black QB starting for their team IMO, so why did McNabb feel the need to play the race card when he is respected as an outstanding QB by most in the game. Certainly Kevin Curtis would have more of a point if he played the race card. Curtis was scapegoated by drunken fans for the Eagles failing to make the playoffs, but this really had more to do with McNabb's inconsistency last season as he had been struggling to stay on the field. So what does McNabb do at first sign of adversity; he plays the race card. Yet if Curtis did the same thing he would be lambasted a fool or worse a racist. I’m sure black QBs have it rough (sarcasm). American society is now telling us that blacks are better QBs than whites also. Six of the top nine Scout.com high school QBs for the 2009 class are black. How is that demographically possible?

    It's simple; Universities want as many of the athletic scholarships to go to blacks as possible, that is why blacks are overrepresented at QB in college and you could arguably make the case in the NFL too.

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    Arguing the Caste System With YouTubers, Part Two

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    What's the matter, Troofy?

    Your race baiting isn't getting any action in other sub-fourums, so you figured you'd try here?
    Read my signature and meditate on it sir.
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    There's no doubt racial discrimination and exclusionist Jim Crow policies helped usher in "position profiling" in both the NFL and college football. For a long period of time, blacks were stereotyped as being intellectually incapable of playing certain positions, namely quarterback.



    One position where African-Americans were welcomed was running back. After the NFL lifted its freeze on black players in 1946, one of the first players to reintegrate was Kenny Washington, a standout running back from UCLA. In his three NFL seasons, Washington averaged 6.1 yards per carry and was a top-five rusher in his second season.



    Even then the NFL was a copycat league. After Washington and Marion Motley, the Hall of Famer who joined Cleveland in the All-America Football Conference in 1946 and averaged 5.7 yards per carry in his career, a wave of black runners entered the league in the 1950s and '60s



    Suddenly the black running back was en vogue. The dynamics of the position had changed dramatically, with speed in the backfield becoming a major emphasis. And as time passed, white feature backs became a rare sight.



    Certainly some white tailbacks have had successful NFL careers after the explosion of black players, but not many. Mike Alstott, one of the few fullbacks given feature back responsibilities, retired as the Tampa Bay Bucs' all-time leader in touchdowns (71) and the No. 2 rusher in team history (5,088). In 1999, the six-time Pro Bowler was 51 yards away from the 1,000-yard mark, finishing with a career-best 949 rushing yards. Twice, Alstott led Tampa Bay in rushing.



    But Alstott has proved to be little more than an aberration among feature backs. The last team to win the Super Bowl with a white back leading the team in rushing yards was the 1983 Redskins with Riggins. A white back hasn't led the NFL in rushing since Green Bay's Jim Taylor in 1962. The last white player to lead his NFL team in rushing was Nick Goings, with the Carolina Panthers in 2004.



    "I don't ever want to put a spin on it and say it's profiling," said Floyd Keith, the executive director of the Black Coaches Association. "I think it has a lot to do with the quality of player."



    But there is evidence -- some of it anecdotal -- to suggest there is a degree of profiling when it comes to white runners.



    "It used to be for the athletes playing in high school, if you were African-American and playing quarterback, the assumption was they were going to put you at wide receiver," James said. "That trend has been reversed and there's not a perception [African-Americans] can't play quarterback, but there is a perception that if you're a white guy and a running back, you need to move your position."



    Gerhart, a junior at Stanford, said opponents used to express surprise when they realized he was the feature back.



    "There were definitely times after games, the DBs, safeties or linebackers would say, 'God man, you can move for a white guy,'" said Gerhart, who ranks 15th in the nation in rushing yards among FBS players. "Even at the college level, my freshman year I played some and after they tackled me, they'd say, 'Man, you run good for a white guy' or 'You're my favorite white running back.'"



    Recently, according to Gerhart, one of his friends was playing an NCAA video game and created a player with Gerhart's speed and dimensions (6-foot-2, 230 pounds, 4.43 in the 40-yard dash). When his friend made the player white, the game automatically described the video version of Gerhart as "power back." When his friend changed the skin color to black, he became an "all-purpose back."



    "Maybe it's just basic stereotypes," Gerhart said. "Even now you're described as a 'power back.' They still discredit speed."



    But Jon Entine, an author and researcher who has written about the role of genetics in sports dominance in several international and national publications, doesn't buy that white tailbacks are underrepresented because of discrimination.



    "That's a superficially appealing argument," Entine said. "The opposite was said 25 years ago, or 30 years ago, when all the defensive backs used to be white in the early '60s. It wasn't a level playing field because blacks were not participating in any high numbers and sometimes it was said that blacks don't have the mental necessities and strategy that it takes to play defensive back. They were discouraged from going into that because they had other opportunities, like being a running back. Suddenly what was used to explain why there were a dearth of blacks is now being used to explain why [there is] a dearth of whites.



    "At 8 years old or 10 years old, you don't look around and say, 'There are no white cornerbacks in the NFL so I'm not going to go out and try to be a cornerback.' I just don't think you squelch kids' fantasies."



    Instead, Entine offers a far more controversial explanation for the lack of white running backs. He believes the reason is genetics.



    Entine authored the book "Taboo: Why Black Athletes Dominate Sports And Why We're Afraid To Talk About It." In the book, Entine makes the link between genetics, geography and sports dominance.



    He suggests athletes with West African ancestors -- which would encompass a large percentage of African-Americans -- dominate sports requiring speed and jumping because of the body types and other physical characteristics that are typical of people from that region.



    "Once the population designations were set," Entine said, "there are real differences in the gene frequencies in the east and west African population, which is quite different from populations around the world."



    Entine points out athletes with East or North African ancestry and also those from Mexico and South America are likely to dominate endurance activities because they have evolved in highland terrains whose populations tend to have a larger lung capacity and lean physiques.



    "It's geography and ancestry," Entine said. "It's not race."



    Even though other geneticists have backed Entine's research, his findings are viewed by some as treading the same dangerous ground as Jimmy "The Greek" Snyder, who became a pariah for theorizing that blacks were better athletes because of how slaves were bred.



    While what Snyder said was crass and inexcusable, it did touch on some commonly held beliefs. In 2006, the University of Michigan released a study that found 74 percent of white men and 65 percent of white women believed blacks were biologically and genetically superior to whites when it came to athletics.



    "The message for geneticists is that we need to be very careful when we discuss genetic differences involving human characteristics and traits," researcher Dr. Elizabeth Petty said when the study was released. "It's important to keep in mind how genetics can easily be misinterpreted by the media and the public in a way that may perpetuate racial stereotypes."



    Entine refutes his research is in any way racist. He believes it is far more racist for the media to suggest the reason African-Americans succeed in sports is because they're escaping poverty -- he points to Kobe Bryant and Grant Hill as examples who contradict that assumption -- and says his research is not meant to imply that genetics is the only reason one race dominates a particular sport or position.



    "I don't think it's anything to bemoan because that doesn't discredit the efforts of the African-Americans who have become great tailbacks, or great sprinters," he said. "They're all individuals. They're competing with a vast number of others and they're succeeding because of their hard work, their intelligence, all of the things that make great athletes. All their genetic endowment does is give them an opportunity to compete at a high level. As long as we don't lose sight of the individual and try to understand the pattern then I think we're OK about this stuff. The danger is when we try to suggest that somehow great tailbacks run out of the womb, just because of their West African ancestry they're destined for greatness."
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    Quote Originally Posted by Surfing USA View Post
    Yes, I noticed you changed your signature after being discredited SEVERAL times.

    This isn't race baiting, the truth makes you feel uncomfortable huh.
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    This isn't race baiting, the truth makes you feel uncomfortable huh.
    What's the truth?

    Did you finally tell the truth on SUWNY?

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    please read the articles i posted. i am an expert in demonstrating the anti-white agenda of pro sports. let me know if you would like to see more articles like the ones i've posted.

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    Surf?

    I know the QB, the RB, the WR, the Center, the Kicker, the Blockers and Tackles.

    But .. what's a Tailback?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bringthetruth View Post
    Read my signature and meditate on it sir.
    When people can't handle you it's because they've had enough of your hooey. There is no other need.
    First Amendment rights are like muscles, if you don't exercise them they will atrophy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mesue View Post
    When people can't handle you it's because they've had enough of your hooey. There is no other need.
    You will have to read my signature and meditate too.
    When people can't handle you, there is a propensity to try and discredit you.

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