CDC: Travel Ban Would Hurt African Economies

[steven]

Who knows, maybe if there's a real crisis they'll appoint a real czar?.

OK then.

When your OK with a political hack being made czar of a medical emergency we have hit that place where its pointless to debate.

[WNYresident]

haha. It was just an analogy. Maybe not the best one. Banning travel from 3 countries, while allowing all travel from all other countries is not going to stop anything, or even add a little bit of protection. Because the disease from those 3 banned countries can still get here via the other countries. And it can get here in hours. It's no protection.

Well yes it would. Banning travel would still stop the possibility of spreading a disease/illness from that area. You could still have military flights or a few limited flights for health care workers and basic commerce items.

[WNYresident]

OK then.

When your OK with a political hack being made czar of a medical emergency we have hit that place where its pointless to debate.

That sort of takes the cake doesn't it. No medical experience or past experience with a situation like this yet they appoint him.

President Obama has final call on that?

[300miles]

Well yes it would. Banning travel would still stop the possibility of spreading a disease/illness from that area. You could still have military flights or a few limited flights for health care workers and basic commerce items.

No, it wouldn't. We've already covered this. Review your notes.

[steven]

That sort of takes the cake doesn't it. No medical experience or past experience with a situation like this yet they appoint him.

President Obama has final call on that?

first and final, Obama appointed him.

Here is some snippets from an article by Dr. Scott Gottlieb, former deputy commissioner of the FDA.

The bottom line is this: there is a lot we don’t know when it comes to Ebola. We have never dealt with an outbreak of Ebola virus in a modern, urban setting. All of the past outbreaks were in rural villages where residents were more easily sequestered, and the virus contained while it burned itself out in these remote locales.

We have never dealt with an outbreak in an advanced healthcare system. Our sophisticated medical care offers some additional protections and opportunities. But our style of invasive critical medicine also creates additional risks to providers.

Indeed, if our political leaders had shown more humility on describing the risk, and our ability to contain it, public confidence might not be so badly shaken.

If only they had not been so absolute in declaring that there is zero risk of airborne transmission (when we know that there is a risk of ‘droplet’ spread).

We don’t fully understand this Ebola strain. There is speculation from top experts that the virus might have drifted in ways that could make it spread more easily — for example, mounting higher loads of viral particles earlier in the course of illness.

If only President Obama hadn’t taped a weird video for Liberians declaring that you can’t get Ebola by sitting next to an infected person on a bus; at the same time U.S. hazmat teams were wrapping a building in plastic over a suspected Ebola case.

http://www.forbes.com/sites/scottgot...homas-frieden/

soooooooooooooo, lots of misinformation in this thread

[WNYresident]

No, it wouldn't. We've already covered this. Review your notes.

I did review.

I'm wondering if you can ban by passport of the country in question.

This way you wouldn't have someone coming by way of another country into the states unless listed as medical personnel.

I would say the people in power just don't care. They are more worried about voter base versus the economic well being of the non-government net tax payer.

[nogods]

Well yes it would. Banning travel would still stop the possibility of spreading a disease/illness from that area. You could still have military flights or a few limited flights for health care workers and basic commerce items.

That's nonsense. It's like saying "inspect all the Mars bars for foreign objects that your kids bring home in their Halloween bags" and then justifying it on the basis "well, at least it will protect them from any foreign objects inserted in Mars bars" but leaving them exposed to foreign objects in all the other candy bars.

Going through the motions of implementing an solution that will have no real impact on the risk is at best a waste of resources that could be used in more meaningful ways.

We need a complete travel ban. You can travel anywhere from the US, but you can't come back from anywhere that allowed anyone in who might have had contact with anyone who might have Ebola.

That would as a practical matter require that all travel to the US be prohibited.

clamoring for a partial "symbolic" travel ban is simply nonsensical.

[WNYresident]

Your response is nonsense.

If it was known that Mars bars have or have the possibility of foreign objects in them of course you would check them or throw them out. You would eliminate the possibility of a foreign object because you are eliminating the source.

[nogods]

Your response is nonsense.

If it was known that Mars bars have or have the possibility of foreign objects in them of course you would check them or throw them out. You would eliminate the possibility of a foreign object because you are eliminating the source.

It ain't only mars bars that are the problem - so focusing on only on mars bars is ridiculous. It accomplishes nothing. the kids are still eating the adulterated snickers and all the others. No different than attempting to fight diabetes by prohibiting the sale of Wegman's cherry flavored cola while everyone continues to swallow every other sugary carbonated beverage.

Are you opposed to prohibiting travel to the US from ANY country that has a risk of spreading Ebola?

[steven]

Your response is nonsense.

If it was known that Mars bars have or have the possibility of foreign objects in them of course you would check them or throw them out. You would eliminate the possibility of a foreign object because you are eliminating the source.

agree 100% This is a disease that is killing people left and right in Afirca and has killed here, as the DR I quoted said,

"We don’t fully understand this Ebola strain. There is speculation from top experts that the virus might have drifted in ways that could make it spread more easily — for example, mounting higher loads of viral particles earlier in the course of illness. "

To just play the business as usual game is reckless at best, people are dead. people that where here in American Hospitals. under American care. Its pretty Obvious we are not ready for this.

[WNYresident]

It ain't only mars bars that are the problem - so focusing on only on mars bars is ridiculous. It accomplishes nothing. the kids are still eating the adulterated snickers and all the others. No different than attempting to fight diabetes by prohibiting the sale of Wegman's cherry flavored cola while everyone continues to swallow every other sugary carbonated beverage.

Are you opposed to prohibiting travel to the US from ANY country that has a risk of spreading Ebola?

Once again more nonsense.

The issue with your soda example is that other sodas all are also sugary carbonated beverages. There is nothing different for the most part.

When there is a food recall they actually recall the product that is possibly bad. They "ban" the sale of that product. Not all products, just the product that may be bad.

[300miles]

There are only 2 ways a travel ban would be effective:

1 - EVERY country on the planet coordinated the same extremely-strict travel bans on the 3 countries infected. This is too complex, requires too much cooperation, and would never happen.

2 - The USA bans ALL travel in and out of the USA, effectively shutting down its own economy. This is self-destructive, would ruin the US economy, and would trigger massive protests from citizens and businesses. It would also never happen.


Any other partial ban on travel would be easy to do, but completely useless.

[WNYresident]

It's not complex. It's easy.

No one is saying ban all traffic in and out of the USA. I think just the countries that are having the ebola outbreak.

[300miles]

I give up...

[nogods]

When res or steven paint themselves into a corner they just continue to spew nonsensical statements to try to outlast reason and logic.

Like the Fox News fools, their first knee jerk reaction was to use Ebola to ban travel to and from countries with predominately black people. Then when the foolishness of their suggestion was exposed, they just started repeating their nonsense hoping that logic and reason would go away.

One doesn't have to be a medical doctor to know that banning travel from just a few countries while allowing it from others doesn't reduce the risk. Even a hospital janitor could figure that out.

They just don't like the color of those mars bars.