I removed the religion forum for now

[Flutter]

Since this IS Speak Up WNY , I doth protest........this GREAT country (if you don't like it , move somewhere else in the world !) was founded on religious principles , we NEED to go back to our founding father's roots & worship seriously again , it's a part of our community , a VERY important part , some of best & most sincere leaders are religious & honest , part of the solution of making WNY better again lies in the religious community , I think it's wrong to pull something that's as important as God out , so the atheists win again , the dumbing of America wins out.........God bless you res , you're going to need it , my prayers will still go out to you & ALL members of this "secular" MB..........(P.S. Can you spell "bad karma ?)

Hi

Thomas Jefferson - Deist
Ben Franklin - Deist
George Washington - Deist.

But somehow, this is a christian nation?

Learn who the founding fathers were before you regurgitate what your pastor would like to believe.

[Flutter]

CAN WE START AN ATHEIST FORUM?? ..AND A GAY FORUM?
We need to be an equal opportunity platform of opinions.

I'd be all over that forum.

Well, I'd prefer an agnostic lesbian forum..... but that's close enough.

[Flutter]

It was based on the choosing of your own religion , not a state or federal forced national religion............but still based on a worship of a Supreme Being (God) , not cows , horses , marrying them , & I know because I've quite a bit about the first group of "Founding Fathers" & they were not atheists.....also , we've ALREADY done the thread about gay atheist eskimoes.........

Right, but when religious groups lobby to turn their moral code into law, and thereby make things illegal that are not harmful to anyone else, they do real harm to those peoples lifes.

Anyways, we should move all these topics *to* the religion forum, so we can continue them without getting in trouble.

[justKel]

Just curious Kel , I know you a bit , how would you feel if the res or the mods banned ALL gay references ? I realize there's NO Gay Threads/Forums here officially per say , but how would you feel if you weren't allowed to bring it up as it pertains to a lot of subject matter that is posted here in different threads ? I have no prob with you & don't judge you nor try & convert you , it's my life , it's me , not just a part of me , I use scripture in meetings , I actually quote scripture in meetings with public officials , if I were gay , I wouldn't hide that either in public meetings , not hide my herteosexuality , we are who we are , I just feel you'd stop posting totally if you couldn't bring up gay matters on this MB..........I wouldn't blame you , maybe there should be a Forum that openly discusses the gay issues of our times , but to single out the one that controls my mind & heart , is really a bit hurtful , I'll live as again , I still have & always will have my faith & won't be ashamed of it . I will use it in other threads when I feel it's appropo , if I get banned , hey it's not the end of MY world..........have a great day Kel (et al)

I never called for the removal of all references to religion. I said proselytizing and quoting scripture. You don't see me going around trying to convert people to be gay. You don't see me talking about the intimate details of what two lesbians do in the bedroom (though some of you would probably enjoy that) or two gay guys. See the difference?

[dgrzeb]

kel , I've never dissed you or even "tolerated" your beliefs , I respect your beliefs , you wrote (post #4) , "Awesome!! Can we also make a rule against prosyletizing? Seriously. It gets OLD." , the "awesome" was for the removal of the religion forum , not for the prosyletizing.......that was the 2cd part of your post..........please don't paint all Christians with one stroke of the brush , you never have before , now I feel like you're lumping me into a hypocritical Christian cult , I guess you don't understand me 100% either , but it's OK , we can work it out

[Flutter]

kel , I've never dissed you or even "tolerated" your beliefs , I respect your beliefs , you wrote (post #4) , "Awesome!! Can we also make a rule against prosyletizing? Seriously. It gets OLD." , the "awesome" was for the removal of the religion forum , not for the prosyletizing.......that was the 2cd part of your post..........please don't paint all Christians with one stroke of the brush , you never have before , now I feel like you're lumping me into a hypocritical Christian cult , I guess you don't understand me 100% either , but it's OK , we can work it out

DG, I have no problems with christians. I have problems with people who believe that they have the right to limit my freedom based on their own morality.

[dgrzeb]

Hi

Thomas Jefferson - Deist
Ben Franklin - Deist
George Washington - Deist.

But somehow, this is a christian nation?

Learn who the founding fathers were before you regurgitate what your pastor would like to believe.

Hello flutter , you point out 3 "deists" , you of course know that there were Christian Deists ? Jefferson & Washington were basically that , but how many founding fathers were there ? 10-20 times that 3 ? The majority believed in a Supreme Being , be they Episcopalian (sic?) , Baptists , Methodists , Lutherans , & they came here so they could "practice" their beliefs , not the forced belief systen that England plagued them with...........Every book written about John Adams has Christian quotes from most of those that founded our great nation , I think we have to agree to disagree , love one another , respect one another , tolerate with maturity (no "pot" shots like me having to "regurgitate" what me Pastor wants me to believe , I have my own mind & can decipher the Scriptures for myself , & will not judge you for your interpetation) , & I think we should get out of this thread before the res stops it again , now get in the last word so we can move on (that's my version of Bill O'Reilly , only I will let you say the last word , not like bill does.....)

[Flutter]

Hello flutter , you point out 3 "deists" , you of course know that there were Christian Deists ? Jefferson & Washington were basically that , but how many founding fathers were there ? 10-20 times that 3 ? The majority believed in a Supreme Being , be they Episcopalian (sic?) , Baptists , Methodists , Lutherans , & they came here so they could "practice" their beliefs , not the forced belief systen that England plagued them with...........Every book written about John Adams has Christian quotes from most of those that founded our great nation , I think we have to agree to disagree , love one another , respect one another , tolerate with maturity (no "pot" shots like me having to "regurgitate" what me Pastor wants me to believe , I have my own mind & can decipher the Scriptures for myself , & will not judge you for your interpetation) , & I think we should get out of this thread before the res stops it again , now get in the last word so we can move on (that's my version of Bill O'Reilly , only I will let you say the last word , not like bill does.....)

I hate posting this because I feel like I'm proving you right, but you hit a salient point that I want to elaborate on.

The bolded part above. You're absolutely right. I don't care what faith anyone is, until they attempt to impose that faith on me.

And yes, like I said earlier, this thread needs to be moved to the religion forum since it is about the religion forum, and has turned into a religious discussion.

[dgrzeb]

DG, I have no problems with christians. I have problems with people who believe that they have the right to limit my freedom based on their own morality.

I try to have no problems with anybody , be it a football fan of some team (BUT the NY Yankees ARE the exception !! , THEY RULE) , or liberals , conservatives , demos , republic , etc. I don't force my beliefs on anyone , it's not my job , I really try to respect people's opinions , & hopefully they respect mine , I do fail at times , as we all do........But the res is right , the original"TOS" is to help make WNY a better place , & there's many ways to do it , let's hope we can all work together (I don't see why not) & try to make us flourish or at least a dream of flourishing again !

[dgrzeb]

I hate posting this because I feel like I'm proving you right, but you hit a salient point that I want to elaborate on.

The bolded part above. You're absolutely right. I don't care what faith anyone is, until they attempt to impose that faith on me.

And yes, like I said earlier, this thread needs to be moved to the religion forum since it is about the religion forum, and has turned into a religious discussion.

you're 100% right/correct , should be in the religion thread/forum & at least I feel it's very civil , & that always nice.........