Simple Question - Why?

[therising]

But in reality how many days did you take them there? Growing up I remember a couple trips to a musem, a couple to the zoo. Always a great time, but in reality its a small percentage of overall time. Does10 to 15 days out of thousands of days really have a major influence on a childs development? Don't know that I am sold on that.

You remember those 10-15 days, don't you?
So, it seems they like they left with some sort of impression.

Anyway, when it comes to funding for the arts... it's also about the kids who are blessed with the talents to be tomorrow's artists. If you're willing to let the future of art die, then cut all the funding.

[Eat My Gun]

Right out of the holy then thou playbook.

"The goverment subsidized things you use are free cheese the stuff I get is essential""

Seriously man



Since you asked I am a zoo member and last trip I dropped $20 at the science and history mueseum last year.

How much have you contributed to your plowing and sheriffe patrols? Or do you like your free cheese, REALLY free?

Now I get it.

You enjoy the benefit of having the taxpayer subsidize the cost of your entertainment.

Your argument is another "oranges and apples" argument.

How does maintenance of publicly owned assets justify subsidizing private entities? I'll answer. It doesn't.

Nor does subsidizing one private entitiy justify subsidizing others. It's wrong all the way around.

If there's such value to these institutions, then people will be willing to pay for them. But, the sad reality is, that value isn't there and people aren't willing to pay for them so the elitists among us clamor for taxpayer handouts. Our spineless pols want to buy their votes with our money so they hand out the pork and spin it like we'll all devolve to cavemen if we don't support our glorious culturals.

In the end, we're forced to support things with "public money" that we never would with our own...and that's just wrong.

[Eat My Gun]

Anyway, when it comes to funding for the arts... it's also about the kids who are blessed with the talents to be tomorrow's artists. If you're willing to let the future of art die, then cut all the funding.

It's always about the kids.

The fact is that art is alive and well and will do just fine without a handout. It just might not be in the form the elitists want it to be. The artists of tomorrow who have been blessed with real talent will survive.

It amazes me how there's this pervasive mentality that artists are somehow deserving of subsidies. I mean, why not subsidize that talented lawyer who no one will hire or that pizzeria that no one wants to eat at and maybe we could kick a little to that landscaper who does great work on my garden? After all, what about the kids who are blessed with legal minds or culinary skills or green thumbs but just cant get a break? And how about me? Can I get some? My boss doesnt appreciate my real talent, but that doesn't mean the public shouldn't...

Government subsidized art is just crap that no one will buy. Government subsidized artists are just another tier of talentless leeches with their hands in my wallet.

[Cgoodsp466]

You remember those 10-15 days, don't you?
So, it seems they like they left with some sort of impression.

Anyway, when it comes to funding for the arts... it's also about the kids who are blessed with the talents to be tomorrow's artists. If you're willing to let the future of art die, then cut all the funding.

Let it friggin die.We aint got the money Honey

[Save Us]

Was reading the editorials today, It appears that there are increasing numbers of people that are calling for our leaders and public employees to take a pay cut, decrease and tax their benefits.

Maybe their would be enough for the people that want these things if our leaders and public servants shared the pain!

[steven]

Its the facts kiddies. You can try to justify your free cheese all you want just don't lie to yourself and think your not wolfing down a big bowl of it everyday you drive on your county road to your favorite strip mall, or when your peeking out your window praying for a county snow plow to come by.

Not to mention when you dial 911 and hear a cheerful, " Erie county Sheriffs Office may I help you"

I don't like it anymore than you. If I had it my way all county plowing of towns and villages would stop, Why should I pay for your plowing because you want to live out in East Yuhunga? The money saved on maintenance and plowing probably dwarfs by millions what the zoo and museums get.

All sheriff patrols would stop, Buy your own police force like the rest of us and we wont be paying salaries to cops that just take even more of our money into retirement down in Florida with them.

Close everything, get rid of the Bills, Sabres and every cultural in the county and dont forget the librarys who the heck needs their kids to read after all?


Stop the free cheese. ALL the free cheese. Budgets are not done in a vacuum. When things are cut everything that doe not benefit all tax paying residents should be on the table.

Then guess what?

No one will live here and you can complain about free cheese where ever you happen to move to.

[Genoobie]

^^ Post reflects my view as well. The I don't use it so I shouldn't fund it mentality is ridiculous. I was just at the Science Museum yesterday, and it should be doing a *better* job than it does, not getting a budget cut.

[raoul duke]

Its the facts kiddies. You can try to justify your free cheese all you want just don't lie to yourself and think your not wolfing down a big bowl of it everyday you drive on your county road to your favorite strip mall, or when your peeking out your window praying for a county snow plow to come by.

Not to mention when you dial 911 and hear a cheerful, " Erie county Sheriffs Office may I help you"

I can mostly agree with that sentiment.

I don't like it anymore than you. If I had it my way all county plowing of towns and villages would stop, Why should I pay for your plowing because you want to live out in East Yuhunga? The money saved on maintenance and plowing probably dwarfs by millions what the zoo and museums get.

All sheriff patrols would stop, Buy your own police force like the rest of us and we wont be paying salaries to cops that just take even more of our money into retirement down in Florida with them.

Close everything, get rid of the Bills, Sabres and every cultural in the county and dont forget the librarys who the heck needs their kids to read after all?


Stop the free cheese. ALL the free cheese. Budgets are not done in a vacuum. When things are cut everything that doe not benefit all tax paying residents should be on the table.

Then guess what?

No one will live here and you can complain about free cheese where ever you happen to move to.

And we would probably move a lot as Third World societies tend to be very unstable.

[Enough]

^^ Post reflects my view as well. The I don't use it so I shouldn't fund it mentality is ridiculous. I was just at the Science Museum yesterday, and it should be doing a *better* job than it does, not getting a budget cut.

I don't think it's even an issue of using it or not, it's a simple fact of economics. Don't know if you've been watching the news or not but we're broke, broke, broke!

At some point we are going to have to face certain realities that we are over-taxed and losing population. The burden we are putting on taxpayers keeps getting greater and greater!

HOW do you suggest we keep subsidizing all these entities and programs? If you want it you have to figure out how to pay for it!

[Genoobie]

Let's see, people in rural areas could be required to have studded tires, reducing the necessity / frequency of plowing? There are many areas of *waste* to be addressed before these cuts are made. Cuts could be made to Sheriff's offices, I mean helicopters???? Honestly??

I think steven's points are salient ones and don't require further elaboration.

Why don't we also eliminate private sector jobs that create nothing or add no value and therefore drive up the cost of goods and services? If those costs were to drop, then people would have more money to spend and economic stimulation would take place.

[Enough]

Let's see, people in rural areas could be required to have studded tires, reducing the necessity / frequency of plowing? There are many areas of *waste* to be addressed before these cuts are made. Cuts could be made to Sheriff's offices, I mean helicopters???? Honestly??

I think steven's points are salient ones and don't require further elaboration.

Why don't we also eliminate private sector jobs that create nothing or add no value and therefore drive up the cost of goods and services? If those costs were to drop, then people would have more money to spend and economic stimulation would take place.

.....and you could be required to go pick up your own goods from the farms in rural area's too!

I know, weak argument, but no weaker than your's.

Just like, we should close the holding center and let each town or village house their own inmates since it's probably less than 1% of the people from rural area's in the holding center......

[Eat My Gun]

Why don't we also eliminate private sector jobs that create nothing or add no value and therefore drive up the cost of goods and services? If those costs were to drop, then people would have more money to spend and economic stimulation would take place.

You've got to be kidding me?

Eliminate private sector jobs that add nothing and therefore drive up the cost of goods and services? Such as?

It's already been done on a massive scale. Outsourcing, foreign manufacturing, mass layoffs, wage cuts, and the highest unemployment rates since Carter. The jobs you mention don't exist.

Not to mention the obvious contradiction in your contention that eliminating jobs results in people having more money and therefore stimulates the economy. Study economics, it doesn't work that way.

I can just picture Obama telling the American public that the economy needs fixing and, in order to get the economy thriving once again, he's seeking to eliminate jobs....

Private sector jobs in particular are the lynchpin of an thriving economy because, unlike government jobs, they are a complete function of consumer demand. More importantly, when revenues and demand fall, private sector jobs are eliminated. The same isn't true of government jobs. When tax revenues drop, they are either financed through debt, or taxes are raised, both of which have a negative impact on the economy.

[Save Us]

Why don't we cut the redundant government, pensions, and salaries first?

I mean who works for whom? Why is the government and public service so well insulated from reality,

oh hell, I agree cut the snot out of everything,, we're broke!

[Save Us]

You've got to be kidding me?

Eliminate private sector jobs that add nothing and therefore drive up the cost of goods and services? Such as?

It's already been done on a massive scale. Outsourcing, foreign manufacturing, mass layoffs, wage cuts, and the highest unemployment rates since Carter. The jobs you mention don't exist.

Not to mention the obvious contradiction in your contention that eliminating jobs results in people having more money and therefore stimulates the economy. Study economics, it doesn't work that way.

I can just picture Obama telling the American public that the economy needs fixing and, in order to get the economy thriving once again, he's seeking to eliminate jobs....

Private sector jobs in particular are the lynchpin of an thriving economy because, unlike government jobs, they are a complete function of consumer demand. More importantly, when revenues and demand fall, private sector jobs are eliminated. The same isn't true of government jobs. When tax revenues drop, they are either financed through debt, or taxes are raised, both of which have a negative impact on the economy.

He's not kidding you.

[Cgoodsp466]

Its the facts kiddies. You can try to justify your free cheese all you want just don't lie to yourself and think your not wolfing down a big bowl of it everyday you drive on your county road to your favorite strip mall, or when your peeking out your window praying for a county snow plow to come by.

Not to mention when you dial 911 and hear a cheerful, " Erie county Sheriffs Office may I help you"

I don't like it anymore than you. If I had it my way all county plowing of towns and villages would stop, Why should I pay for your plowing because you want to live out in East Yuhunga? The money saved on maintenance and plowing probably dwarfs by millions what the zoo and museums get.

All sheriff patrols would stop, Buy your own police force like the rest of us and we wont be paying salaries to cops that just take even more of our money into retirement down in Florida with them.

Close everything, get rid of the Bills, Sabres and every cultural in the county and dont forget the librarys who the heck needs their kids to read after all?


Stop the free cheese. ALL the free cheese. Budgets are not done in a vacuum. When things are cut everything that doe not benefit all tax paying residents should be on the table.

Then guess what?

No one will live here and you can complain about free cheese where ever you happen to move to.

You are such a chump,Guess what Steve nobody is living here now! And the free cheese runs like water. I will say this one more time so even the great Steve can understand it. Everything can be privateized except.

{1} You can drive a fire truck

{2} You qualify to wear a badge

{3} You qualify to wear a uniform and kill Hodgie.

Now the rest I am sure some hard working private company could do.

How About Acme Snow Plowing

I cant get a date Clerical staffing

Big Johnson Garbage pickup.

Shall I go on or have you got the drift of things Stevy?