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[cheekman]

The Safe Act is now a fact of life - like car registration - the only thing that will change is the cost and level of intrusion.

This Cuomo guy could be your next President.

Anyone who claims these past elections are a "Victory" must be related to the winners - a year from now will tell who "Won what"!

The Pro Gun Groups did nothing here in NY for Pro Gun Supporters. They were a "Non-Player" - I saw no rally's - no true out pouring of information - maybe a few small groups with signs - big deal.

Those groups who claim to protect our "Rights" sat this one out. If they continue this way we can all either bury our firearms are start running down to Pennsylvania and sell them.

Unions supposedly backed away - Teachers backed away - Cuomo bashed Conservatives and the Working Family Party - yet millions have poured into his war chest and there will be millions more slid his way.

So who did what - either Unionized labor lied and voted for him or the Unions sold out their members ?
The Pro-Gun voter Groups went on Holiday !

yep this area for sure.. WBEN.. Rev Tom and CB Carl the mouth should have had rallys every week on this, thats all they talked about on the air... But then again they couldnt carry EC in the election for robby.

[cheekman]

people of furguson buying up some guns..
Gun Sales Boom Ahead of Ferguson Ruling
John Stephenson of Metro Shooting Supplies in nearby Bridgeton said he normally sells 10 to 15 guns a day. But for the last three weeks, he said he has been selling between 30 and 50 guns daily, a nearly 300 percent increase. I wonder what the rush is all about..

http://abcnews.go.com/US/gun-sales-b...ry?id=26895756

[cheekman]

Gabby Gifford’s Gun Control Group: Never Mind the Losses, ‘We’ll Be Back In 2016′:hopelessness



http://www.ammoland.com/2014/11/gabb...#axzz3Jlm26OOV

[cheekman]

Some really nice gun coming out by SW a lot with the red dot sights .

Smith & Wesson is introducing seven new handguns in .22 Long Rifle, 9mm, .40 S&W and .45 ACP, and they’re all gonna be popular. The pistols include four M&Ps, two SW1911s and a new competition-ready Model 41.The M&Ps will make the biggest waves, as they represent a serious change in the world of handguns. Called CORE—Competition Optics Ready Equipment—designed to accept popular red dot sights from the factory. While there are a small number of handguns that are out-of-the-box ready to accept optics, like the FNX-45 Tactical, they’re uncommon and often command a serious price premium.
The Model 41 is also geared for competition, and promises to be a great platform for gun games like the Steel Challenge. It’s a Performance Center-tuned .22, a refined full-size Model 41 with a 5.5-inch barrel. Weighing in at a clean 41 ounces, this pistol intends to get on target and stay there. The barrel housing has been modified with a Picatinny rail that runs the length of the barrel, and the sights, like with the CORE M&Ps, are raised. They’re also fully-adjustable.

check out the SW site...http://www.smith-wesson.com/webapp/w...D1352415789214

[nogods]

1900Wednesday10Dezember2014
Subject: NYS Pistol Permit Recertification Process
To: ALCON For Your Information
FWD Message
From: evansrodandgun @ yahoo.com
To: evansrodandgun @ yahoo.com
Sent: 12/10/2014
Subj: pistol permit recert


Recertification Process of Pistol permits

MEMORANDUM
FROM: Mike Jankowski, Wayne County Clerk
DATE: December 2, 2014
RE: NYS Police presentation on the SAFE Act Enforcement
On Tuesday November 18, 2014 at the Winter Meeting of the New York State Association of County Clerks the State Police conducted a presentation on the recertification process required under the New York State Safe Act.
Representing the State Police were:
Lt. James Sherman
Tim Mylos
Lynne Rosenzweig
Points of Interest:
1) A pilot of the recertification process will begin in January of 2015.
2) The Pilot Counties will be Albany, Schenectady and Fulton.
3) 500 invitations to recertify will be sent out to each of the pilot counties.
4) The invitations will direct the permit holders to a state police web site or where they can download the recertification form.
5) There will be no county seal or any other county identifier on the letters to be sent out.
6) The invitation will be to recertify immediately although recertification is not required prior to January 31, 2018.
7) Recertification letters will be sent out state wide to selected groups between March-June 2015.
8) The Goal of the State police is to have as many people recertify electronically as possible.
　
9) Paper forms will be available for download or from the state police website or at all trooper barracks.
10) Once approved the State police will issue a plastic recertification card that will need to be carried with the permit at all times.
11) The recertification web site will only available to individuals who have already received an invitation to recertify with a user id and password.
12) The paper forms can be filed by anyone at any time.
13) The applicant’s home address will be checked against DMV records.
14) Out of State addresses will be sent to the licensing officer.
15) Any permit holder that does not have a valid NYS driver’s license or ID will be required to get one. This includes out of state residents that are permit holders.
16) Electronically there will be a save function so the recertification can be complete during more than one session.
17) Re-certification is a state police function. The County Clerks do not have a role.
18) Counties will be notified when recertification is approved.
19) Recertification discrepancies must be corrected by amendment to license at the county level. Applicants will be instructed to do so.
20) When a permit holder recertifies online they will be able to print out a receipt with a tracking number. That tracing number can then be used to check where the application is in the process.
21) If the applicant recertifies by mail they will receive a return receipt with a tracking number.
22) Lt. Sherman did not encourage the use of certified mail but it would be a proof of mailing an application and proof it was received.
　
23) The recertification application is just like a pistol permit application without the references. The applicant is required to list all arrests, drug or alcohol treatment, mental illness or family court petition or charge.
24) The applicant lists all hand guns registered to him and this information may need to be reconciled with the state data base.
25) There are four steps to the recertification process:
a. Submission of application
b. Acceptance of the application
c. Review/ Return for correction
d. Approval/Revocation
26) Once submitted, the recertification application will be checked against the following data bases:
a. NCIC’s
b. MHL/946
c. Orders of probation
d. DMV
e. Parole
f. Probation
g. NYS wanted and missing
27) If the applicant is negative on the above checks the application is approved and the recertification cards will be issued.
28) Positives will be referred to the licensing officer for revocation or clarification
29) If the NYS Police determine that it cannot re certify the permit, the recertification is sent to the licensing officer. (Lt. Sherman indicated that a permit holder will have his entire application reviewed by the state police and the application may be referred to a licensing officer for further review even if the information disclosed on the recertification application is the same as the information provided in the initial pistol permit application. This is not limited to Federal prohibitors.
30) The Licensing officer does not have the legal authority to do anything other than revoke if there is a federal prohibitor.
31) The licensing officer would be responsible for getting a certificate of relief from disabilities for past problems that are not covered by the federal prohibitor list
　
32) There are three letters that are possibly sent to a permit holder seeking to recertify the pistol permit
a. Letter calling for re certification
b. Letter stating permit problem to be resolved
c. Letter granting recertification
33) After January 31, 2018 the law states that the failure to recertify is an automatic revocation. Likely it will fall to the licensing officer to actually revoke the permit.
34) There will be a check box on the recertification for a co-registered weapon.
35) Applicant has the option to have the information on the recertification application exempted from public disclosure.
36) According to lt. Sherman the object of the recertification process is to create a "Pristine" data base that any law enforcement official would be able to access at any time with real time information.
37) Lt Sherman stated that the pistol permit data would be linked to the DMV data base and an officer would know a pulled over vehicle was owned by a pistol permit holder.
38) Indicating a pistol permit on the face of a driver’s license is not a decision that has been made yet.
39) Their goal is to send out the first recertification letters state wide by early spring.
40) There was a power point for the presentation but Sherman said it would not be released to the clerk’s.

[cheekman]

More BS.. I wonder if that will go for the thugs and gangs in the city that have guns..

[4248]

Isnt there a law against holding multiple drivers licenses ?

15) Any permit holder that does not have a valid NYS driver’s license or ID will be required to get one. This includes out of state residents that are permit holders.

[Save Us]

1900Wednesday10Dezember2014
Subject: NYS Pistol Permit Recertification Process
To: ALCON For Your Information
FWD Message
From: evansrodandgun @ yahoo.com
To: evansrodandgun @ yahoo.com
Sent: 12/10/2014
Subj: pistol permit recert


Recertification Process of Pistol permits

MEMORANDUM
FROM: Mike Jankowski, Wayne County Clerk
DATE: December 2, 2014
RE: NYS Police presentation on the SAFE Act Enforcement
On Tuesday November 18, 2014 at the Winter Meeting of the New York State Association of County Clerks the State Police conducted a presentation on the recertification process required under the New York State Safe Act.
Representing the State Police were:
Lt. James Sherman
Tim Mylos
Lynne Rosenzweig
Points of Interest:
1) A pilot of the recertification process will begin in January of 2015.
2) The Pilot Counties will be Albany, Schenectady and Fulton.
3) 500 invitations to recertify will be sent out to each of the pilot counties.
4) The invitations will direct the permit holders to a state police web site or where they can download the recertification form.
5) There will be no county seal or any other county identifier on the letters to be sent out.
6) The invitation will be to recertify immediately although recertification is not required prior to January 31, 2018.
7) Recertification letters will be sent out state wide to selected groups between March-June 2015.
8) The Goal of the State police is to have as many people recertify electronically as possible.
　
9) Paper forms will be available for download or from the state police website or at all trooper barracks.
10) Once approved the State police will issue a plastic recertification card that will need to be carried with the permit at all times.
11) The recertification web site will only available to individuals who have already received an invitation to recertify with a user id and password.
12) The paper forms can be filed by anyone at any time.
13) The applicant’s home address will be checked against DMV records.
14) Out of State addresses will be sent to the licensing officer.
15) Any permit holder that does not have a valid NYS driver’s license or ID will be required to get one. This includes out of state residents that are permit holders.
16) Electronically there will be a save function so the recertification can be complete during more than one session.
17) Re-certification is a state police function. The County Clerks do not have a role.
18) Counties will be notified when recertification is approved.
19) Recertification discrepancies must be corrected by amendment to license at the county level. Applicants will be instructed to do so.
20) When a permit holder recertifies online they will be able to print out a receipt with a tracking number. That tracing number can then be used to check where the application is in the process.
21) If the applicant recertifies by mail they will receive a return receipt with a tracking number.
22) Lt. Sherman did not encourage the use of certified mail but it would be a proof of mailing an application and proof it was received.
　
23) The recertification application is just like a pistol permit application without the references. The applicant is required to list all arrests, drug or alcohol treatment, mental illness or family court petition or charge.
24) The applicant lists all hand guns registered to him and this information may need to be reconciled with the state data base.
25) There are four steps to the recertification process:
a. Submission of application
b. Acceptance of the application
c. Review/ Return for correction
d. Approval/Revocation
26) Once submitted, the recertification application will be checked against the following data bases:
a. NCIC’s
b. MHL/946
c. Orders of probation
d. DMV
e. Parole
f. Probation
g. NYS wanted and missing
27) If the applicant is negative on the above checks the application is approved and the recertification cards will be issued.
28) Positives will be referred to the licensing officer for revocation or clarification
29) If the NYS Police determine that it cannot re certify the permit, the recertification is sent to the licensing officer. (Lt. Sherman indicated that a permit holder will have his entire application reviewed by the state police and the application may be referred to a licensing officer for further review even if the information disclosed on the recertification application is the same as the information provided in the initial pistol permit application. This is not limited to Federal prohibitors.
30) The Licensing officer does not have the legal authority to do anything other than revoke if there is a federal prohibitor.
31) The licensing officer would be responsible for getting a certificate of relief from disabilities for past problems that are not covered by the federal prohibitor list
　
32) There are three letters that are possibly sent to a permit holder seeking to recertify the pistol permit
a. Letter calling for re certification
b. Letter stating permit problem to be resolved
c. Letter granting recertification
33) After January 31, 2018 the law states that the failure to recertify is an automatic revocation. Likely it will fall to the licensing officer to actually revoke the permit.
34) There will be a check box on the recertification for a co-registered weapon.
35) Applicant has the option to have the information on the recertification application exempted from public disclosure.
36) According to lt. Sherman the object of the recertification process is to create a "Pristine" data base that any law enforcement official would be able to access at any time with real time information.
37) Lt Sherman stated that the pistol permit data would be linked to the DMV data base and an officer would know a pulled over vehicle was owned by a pistol permit holder.
38) Indicating a pistol permit on the face of a driver’s license is not a decision that has been made yet.
39) Their goal is to send out the first recertification letters state wide by early spring.
40) There was a power point for the presentation but Sherman said it would not be released to the clerk’s.

Obviously the state's money problem is more than what they are letting on too.

[nogods]

Isnt there a law against holding multiple drivers licenses ?

15) Any permit holder that does not have a valid NYS driver’s license or ID will be required to get one. This includes out of state residents that are permit holders.

That may be a practical problem...but...if you are domiciled in New York you should be able to get a New York State driver's license even though you reside elsewhere. The fact that the other state requires you to get their state license after resideing in the state for 60 days should not change your relationship with New York state if you maintain NY as your domicile state.

BTW - my son recently returned to NY from South Carolina. He had a hassle getting a NYS license, even though he had one that would still be valid if he had to turn it in to get his SC license. He needed "6" points of ID. Amazingly, a Wegman's shopper card counted as `1 point but hisSelective Service Registration certificate didn't count at all, so he had to go home, get more id, and go back.

[cheekman]

Why Shooting Victims Can't Win Lawsuits Against Gunmakers

http://www.businessweek.com/articles...15-gun-lawsuit

[nogods]

The lawyers bringing the Sandy Hook suit know they will run headlong into the liability-shield law, and they think they have a solution: an exception in the law that allows suits based on the theory of “negligent entrustment.” This takes us deep into the legal weeds, but the simplified version is that under the shield law a defendant can still be held liable for entrusting a dangerous product to another party who then causes harm to a victim or victims.

Bushmaster already paid a 6 figure settlement because of that exception. And rightfully so. If a person gives his keys to his car to a person who is drunk then he should be liable for the ensuing damage. Just like if a bar serves alcohol to a person who is drunk. The car, the gun, and the alcohol are all legal. Entrusting them to a person who should not be entrusted with them is negligence for which the entruster should be liable for damages that result.

No different than giving a gun to a mentally unstable person. Don't be surprised when he shoots you with it.

[Dan Roman]

Bushmaster sold x amount of guns to Joes gunshop or ffl, joes sells it to mrs lanza, who passes background check etc, uses it for sport shooting. Mrs lanza's crazy son kills her , takes gun, then kills many more people. How is bushmaster liable? If bushmaster sold gun directly to a nut job, as your example above by giving keys to your car to a drunk, then I could see it.

By your example above, mrs lanza's estate should be sued as she knowingly has a whack job son in the house, yet kept firearms, even though supposedly locked up, in house with the nut job son.

Would Ford be sued for selling a car to basil, who sold it to joe blow, whose friend killed him, took the keys and then ran over 10 people with joes car?

[4248]

In buffalo - a man shot one of three guys attacking him. He had warned them twice to back off - one attacker had a brick , one had a knife.

In court they admitted they were going to rob him.

All criminal charges were cleared against the shooter.

The thug who was shot filed a civil suit for damages and won.


As far as people suing gun manufactures - its all part of the over all anti gun agenda. Their driving manufactures out of states and making it impossible for them to stay in business. In New York State thousands of FFL dealers have been shut down for minor reasons.

As long as Democrats rule our Political system the attacks on our gun ownership rights will continue.

[nogods]

All criminal charges were cleared against the shooter.

The thug who was shot filed a civil suit for damages and won.

Apparently there civil liability issues a Jury of 6 ordinary citizens decided in favor of the plaintiffs.

OJ was cleared of all criminal charges too. Then he lost the civil case. That's because of the difference between civil and criminal proceedings.

So what's your point?

As for gun manufacturers, do you agree that gun manufacturer, like car makers, should be liable for defective products?

If you buy a gun and while shooting at the range for the first time it explodes in your hand because of some defect in the material or workmanship of the gun, don't you think the manufacturer should be liable for your injuries, the same as a car manufacturer who puts an shrapnel firing air bag in an automobile or a defective ignition switch? Why should gun manufacturers be exempt from product liability while other products are expected to be made free of defects for their intended use?

The same is true for negligent entrustment.

[4248]

Here you go again - mix apples and oranges and ask for lemonade.

You muddle the issue and then ask for a answer that doesn't fit the scenario stated. This is why nobody trusts lawyers and Politicians.

A lawyer is the only person who can be hired as a defense lawyer - then in court argues information that will convict his own client.

Then cries when the incarcerated person cant pay his bill.