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    Why a new Stadium should be built downtown Buffalo

    Ralph Wilson the owner of the Buffalo Bills lease is up in 2013, there is a proposal to up grade the Stadiums with Millions of dollars.


    The issue is Ralph says the team will stay in Buffalo as long as he's alive and he's up there in age at 94 yrs of age .

    What happens if we spend millions of dollars and Ralph dies what do we use the stadium for out in ORCHARD PARK .
    HIGHSCHOOL FOOTBALL GAMES 80,000 seat stadium ???

    Well it's time to use the taxpayers money more wisely and invest in the city of Buffalo NY.

    I propose A new Downtown facility that would be used for more than just a Pro football stadium but all all around state of the art building with a retractable roof with walk ways that are indoor so the people aren't hampered by the bad weather and high winds.

    Something like they have in Indianapolis who was able to host the SUPERBOWL. Instead of the lawns of private citizens of Orchard Park receiving money for parking, let the city of Buffalo benefit from the fans parking. With that type of facility would come more quality hotels that even Tom Brady wouldn't be able to complain. Good money investment , brings in more money the ideas would be endless.. Have you notice there hasn't been a concert at Ralph Stadium since 2003.

    We could have Variety of different venues like ethnic festivals done in a greater capacity with say a 65.000 seat arena. The Ralph as it is has cramped conditions for media they have to use each others outlets and the picture taking is done in a trailer and waiting in lines for concessions etc could be done better.

    Look how many people come to Buffalo for the Taste of Buffalo right downtown. Think of how many more Canadians would be compelled to come over the border in spend money in the city of Buffalo.

    I know for a fact Former Bill "Jim Kelly" and about 5 more investors are ready for this type of proposal. It's time for Buffalo and Erie county politicians and citizens to come out of the stone age and get with the future , we have held back long enough. If Indianapolis can do it we in Buffalo with the vast waterfront should be able to do it to.

    What do you all think ?

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    That's probably not a bad idea if Buffalo is going to keep trying to be the Buffalo of the 1950's.

    But I think it's time for Buffalo to come out of the 1950's and look forward to the 2nd decade of the 21st century.

    Buffalo should be taking down its excess housing and commercial space, then turn the land into farms. Let the population follow it's natural progression out to what once were farms in the suburbs. The city has been trying to compete with the suburbs for 5 decades without success. More of the same won't help. the burbs don't want farms. many of them don't have any. Buffalo could rule the region once again if it became the center of food production in WNY.

    Instead all we get is "if only it was like when AM&A's had their xmas window display..." Be bold, be innovative.

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    How much development/business in downtown can be directly or even indirectly attributed to either the hockey arena or the baseball stadium? Hockey draws 15,000+ for minimally 40 nights from October through March/April. Baseball draws probably 5,000+ for 50 or so games from April/May through September. Plus both venues are used for concerts, and the arena is used for ice shows and some college commencements.
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    Quote Originally Posted by nogods View Post
    That's probably not a bad idea if Buffalo is going to keep trying to be the Buffalo of the 1950's.

    But I think it's time for Buffalo to come out of the 1950's and look forward to the 2nd decade of the 21st century.

    Buffalo should be taking down its excess housing and commercial space, then turn the land into farms. Let the population follow it's natural progression out to what once were farms in the suburbs. The city has been trying to compete with the suburbs for 5 decades without success. More of the same won't help. the burbs don't want farms. many of them don't have any. Buffalo could rule the region once again if it became the center of food production in WNY.

    Instead all we get is "if only it was like when AM&A's had their xmas window display..." Be bold, be innovative.
    This is an excellent idea.

    This wouldn't be the "dense urban living" that romantic urbanists advocate but it would be what a lot of people who already live in the city of Buffalo would love to have: more space to garden. If you don't think that Buffalonians would embrace "city farms", just take the Buffalo Garden Walk at the end of July to see how people garden on their current tiny little city plots.

    I also think that "city farms" would lure many suburbanites back into the city. Lots of people who are interested in small acreages, from 1 to 5 acres, to raise crops and maybe keep some livestock can't find anything suitable unless they go out at least to Clarence or Hamburg or Sanborn or Lancaster, and even then, they might not be allowed to keep chickens or a horse, even if they could afford the land, because of zoning.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Linda_D View Post
    How much development/business in downtown can be directly or even indirectly attributed to either the hockey arena or the baseball stadium? Hockey draws 15,000+ for minimally 40 nights from October through March/April. Baseball draws probably 5,000+ for 50 or so games from April/May through September. Plus both venues are used for concerts, and the arena is used for ice shows and some college commencements.
    Just over in Cleveland as I passed thru on vacation I was amazed how they used their waterfront for different outdoor events. Also They have all their pro teams downtown . Cleveland Indians(PRO BASEBALL), Cleveland Browns (PRO FOOTBALL) Cleveland Cavilers (PRO BASKETBALL) in different arenas and stadiums. That alone attracts different attractions for all the people who have many interest in different things. Even Cleveland's MAJOR Universities were downtown too, NOT IN THE SUBURBS.

    Buffalo SEGREGATION POLICY has forbidden us to come to the city and make it like in other modern day 21 century where all the major venues being held there. IT WORKS WNY'ers !

    It's time we made the city a city and if people want to reside in the country they may like many other bustling cities do.

    I disagree Linda , old money needs to move out of the way and allow the young people with bright minds be able to graduate college and add to the area and not have to take their wisdom and creative minds to another part of the country and help propel those communities & cities to GREATNESS !

    Make Buffalo attractive again to outsiders, I recall Buffalo hosting the NCAA Tournament at formerly known as HSBC Arena, and the people who came from across the country as fans complained that there wasn't enough places to EAT. That's sad for a area who loves and prides themselves in preparing and serving their food. Bring more Excitement down town and we would be a major attraction again along with Niagara Falls being the initial draw.

    More major attractions brings big money investments to a downtown area that has been raped by suburban interest That was all planed by a few.
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    They should stop selling the naming rights to sports venues....Over the years how many times was the Aud renamed?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Linda_D View Post
    This wouldn't be the "dense urban living" that romantic urbanists advocate but it would be what a lot of people who already live in the city of Buffalo would love to have: more space to garden.
    This is not really against what urbanist want at all. It just depends on location within the city. If you're talking about downtown (which I don't think you are) then yes, urbanists would be against it and it wouldn't be a wise use of land. But further out in the city it meshes well with other policies like land banking. The idea that large tracks of unused or low-valued land could be taken off the grid until the city real estate market changes is not new and I think could be used on Buffalo's East Side.

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    The reason why Buffalo has eroded is because we don't want to think outside the box. Many here 40 and above love the old backwoods thinking that eliminates new blood to come in and help develop the city. Lord help us create a new stadium with multiple uses downtown to draw other big business there too.

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    Buffalo cannot handle the traffic it gets now, how will downtown handle a stadium of 65,000
    The above is opinion & commentary, I am exercising my 1st Amendment rights as a US citizen. Posts are NOT made with any malicious intent.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Frank Broughton View Post
    Buffalo cannot handle the traffic it gets now, how will downtown handle a stadium of 65,000

    This comment above is the kind of comments that has kept Buffalo in the woods .

    Afraid of change and expansion, by wanting things to stay the way they are.


    This city needs and a transfusion of Visionaries , leaders who look on the horizon, not just off the shore.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bringthetruth View Post
    This comment above is the kind of comments that has kept Buffalo in the woods .

    Afraid of change and expansion, by wanting things to stay the way they are.


    This city needs and a transfusion of Visionaries , leaders who look on the horizon, not just off the shore.
    What, the truth hold back Buffalo? I agree....
    The above is opinion & commentary, I am exercising my 1st Amendment rights as a US citizen. Posts are NOT made with any malicious intent.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bringthetruth View Post
    Just over in Cleveland as I passed thru on vacation I was amazed how they used their waterfront for different outdoor events. Also They have all their pro teams downtown . Cleveland Indians(PRO BASEBALL), Cleveland Browns (PRO FOOTBALL) Cleveland Cavilers (PRO BASKETBALL) in different arenas and stadiums. That alone attracts different attractions for all the people who have many interest in different things. Even Cleveland's MAJOR Universities were downtown too, NOT IN THE SUBURBS.

    Buffalo SEGREGATION POLICY has forbidden us to come to the city and make it like in other modern day 21 century where all the major venues being held there. IT WORKS WNY'ers !

    It's time we made the city a city and if people want to reside in the country they may like many other bustling cities do.

    I disagree Linda , old money needs to move out of the way and allow the young people with bright minds be able to graduate college and add to the area and not have to take their wisdom and creative minds to another part of the country and help propel those communities & cities to GREATNESS !

    Make Buffalo attractive again to outsiders, I recall Buffalo hosting the NCAA Tournament at formerly known as HSBC Arena, and the people who came from across the country as fans complained that there wasn't enough places to EAT. That's sad for a area who loves and prides themselves in preparing and serving their food. Bring more Excitement down town and we would be a major attraction again along with Niagara Falls being the initial draw.

    More major attractions brings big money investments to a downtown area that has been raped by suburban interest That was all planed by a few.


    The truth is a stadium built down town would be the best thing for Buffalo, once we moved the team from the city to orchard park so went the renovation of downtown Buffalo. It's time to get with the times, those who want the country can live a grow trees there, but let the city grow and expand with new construction and additional highways that creates more jobs .

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    Quote Originally Posted by Frank Broughton View Post
    Buffalo cannot handle the traffic it gets now, how will downtown handle a stadium of 65,000
    Buffalo has one of the quickest commute times of a city its size, you really confused me with that comment
    The perfect commute is easy, inexpensive and reliable.

    In cities boasting such factors, like Buffalo, N.Y., Salt Lake City and Milwaukee, the trip to work is a breeze. But for commuters in Atlanta, Detroit and Miami, the daily grind is just that, thanks to bad traffic, insufficient infrastructure and drivers who resist carpools and public transportation.

    Other spots that came out on top include Oklahoma City, Okla., Pittsburgh, Corpus Christi, Texas, and Eugene, Ore. At the bottom: Orlando, Fla., Dallas, Birmingham, Ala., and Raleigh, N.C.

    To find them and others, Forbes.com looked at the 75 largest metro areas in the U.S. and evaluated them based on traffic delays, travel times and how efficiently commuters use existing infrastructure, based on data from the Texas Transportation Institute and the U.S. Census Bureau's 2006 American Community Survey. The worst commutes were those that ate up the most hours and were the least reliable. The best commutes were in cities with short, dependable treks to the office, where fellow commuters efficiently use transit options to reduce congestion.
    http://www.forbes.com/2008/04/24/cit...ealestate.html
    No. 1: Buffalo, N.Y.

    Local residents say you can drive between any two points in the Buffalo area in 20 minutes, and based on our measures, it seems like a reasonable notion. Half of the workers in the Buffalo metro spend that time or less getting to work, and drivers experience only 10 hours of annual delays, according to the Texas Transportation Institute. Of cities with over 500,000 commuters, fewer people spend an hour or more getting to work in Buffalo than anywhere else in the country.
    People who wonder if the glass is half empty or full miss the point. The glass is refillable.

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    People must have a vast interest to keep things the way they are, we ought to be a shame of ourselves . Lets get the slogan Buffalo talking proud and really mean it.

    Is this good enough talk RES for the area , do you really want whats best for WNY ???

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    Quote Originally Posted by 300miles View Post
    This is not really against what urbanist want at all. It just depends on location within the city. If you're talking about downtown (which I don't think you are) then yes, urbanists would be against it and it wouldn't be a wise use of land. But further out in the city it meshes well with other policies like land banking. The idea that large tracks of unused or low-valued land could be taken off the grid until the city real estate market changes is not new and I think could be used on Buffalo's East Side.
    I know that not all urbanists would be against "city farms", but there's a group of them that insist that cities have to have high population densities. I call them "romantic urbanists" because of their idealization of the benefits of density. Most of them seem to be in academia, either students or professors (not necessarily of urban planning), rather than actually earning their livings in urban planning. They seem incapable of understanding that not everyone in the world wants to live in an apartment or rowhouse. These folks wouldn't oppose landbanking the East Side, but they wouldn't want any development there unless it was rowhouses and apartments.
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