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    Concerned Citizen Editorial: The Gepetto of Amherst

    The supervisor has a strangle hold on the board and the town. At town meetings the board members sit mostly quietly while Weinstein controls everything, the “Gepetto of Amherst”. One small exception is the way Guy Marlette every so often tries to moderate the politically negative actions of the supervisor in an attempt to blunt probable future problems, but in so doing only succeeds in pointing out how badly the supervisor ignores the input of the residents. Mark Manna, our nominal Democrat, every so often makes a dissenting a comment on a resolution here or there, but is rarely effective as an opposition voice. Anderson and Nucherino could have of just as easily mailed their votes in ahead of time, they are so predictable.

    1. Changes to Public Hearings.

    The time allowed for individuals to comment at a public heating has been reduced from 5 to 3 minutes while developers (and others) are rarely limited to the 15 minutes they are supposed to get. In fact if you include the Q&A session between the petitioner and the board it sometimes takes 30 to 45 minutes to finish a presentation. So with typical Weinstein logic the only way to shorten a public hearing is to reduce the time allowed for the public to speak, effectively taking the “public” out of “public hearing”.

    2. Changes to the Rules of Order for Meeting.

    The rules of order at meeting were recently changed to give the supervisor even more power by allocating him an official rebuttal (the last word) to ANY comment from the public. So if he hears something he doesn’t like, he can tell you that you are wrong or your “inaccurate”, rule you out of order if he so chooses, and tell you to sit down and be quiet.

    Weinstien also changed the rules to forbid the use of any board member name in any comment from the public. So if have a specific comment on any action, behavior, vote, or pet project by any board member it never sounds like how real people talk to each other, but rather more like a bunch of first year law students trying not to make the professor mad.

    3. Public expression.

    This ones a real head scratcher. Until the last meeting their were two types of public expression, the first before board voting occurred called “suspension of the rules” where the public could only speak on any item on the current agenda for 3 minutes, and “public expression” at the end of the meeting for everything else.

    In theory it sounds almost reasonable, but in practice it failed miserably. If you attended meetings regularly (the few, the annoyed, the public), you might be able to figure out when to say what. If not, you didn’t have prayer of knowing when you can speak or what you can say. That seems to be the primary reason way “suspension of the rules” is now called “public expression” where supposedly there no restrictions. If you believe this fiction, I’ve know of some swamp land in East Amherst you can buy.

    4. THE Consent Agenda.

    This voting practice by the town board is so egregious and offensive to the residents’ right to be informed that is deserves its own editorial. Almost all voting by the board occurs at the 3 pm “work session” and not at the 7 pm “public session” effectively preventing the working public from hearing any pre-vote discussion. When on the rare occasion a resolution is saved for 7 pm, it is to allow the supervisor to tell us ordinary people what a great job he is doing. Discussions of the thorny or embarrassing resolutions never make it to the 7 pm meeting, in fact I suspect they never make it to any meeting, but are decided in private much earlier.

    5. Board Downsizing

    This ideological driven action by the board was more about keeping the supervisor’s political base happy than improving the boards’ efficiency. A highly controlled and political board is already very efficient, they only need to know how the supervisor wants them to vote. Downsizing just reduces the number of people the supervisor needs to put on his email distribution list. The $25,500 is only pittance of in a $115,867,653 budget (2011), or about 2 one-hundredths of 1 percent. Less town board members equals more power for the supervisor. Given all of the above it means less not more accountability to the voters because the process is so opaque.

    Conclusion:

    Town board meeting have become mostly political theater who’s only objective is to get its members re-elected. It certainly is not as an opportunity for the public to become informed. If the residents have little or no knowledge of what the board does or is doing, how can they intelligently hold them accountable for there actions in the next election? Or is that the real reason why the supervisor has bent the board meeting so badly?

    DEMOCRACY DIED IN AMHERST
    I concur with the points made by someone in another blog reprinted above.

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    The simple fact is that the population of Amherst has grown while the populations of Democratic paradises such as Buffalo, Cheek. and Ton have fallen. Like it or not people must like what they're getting here or they'd be flocking elsewhere...that
    includes the schools, hockey rinks and the rest. Mohan and his stooge Shelly Schratz tried to reduce the town to that but
    failed, thank God!. Move to Buffalo and live under the idiots, Brown and Higgins if you think it's better. Then you can benefit
    from govt at its most failed and ineffective!

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    Grumpy drinking the koolaid

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    Quote Originally Posted by Surface Tension View Post
    So maybe Amherst beats out Cheektowaga....WOW!!! Set your goals a little higher and Amherst doesn't come off so high. Compare it to Elma, Orchard Park, East Aurora, Clarence.

    The Town Hall in Elma looks great for a small population. Have you seen any improvements to the infra-structure in Amherst in the las 10 years? The Sr. Center and the Police station are OK but what about the rest of the Town bldgs? Town Hall is antiquated and the last thing they need was autmatic flush toilets!! How about a sound system that plays into the hall when there is over crowding at TB meetings. Oh, silly me, no one goes to the TB meetings anymore.

    Well how about the North Amherst Rec. Ctr.??? Rec Department still has mold in the building. Highway Dept. is right out of the 50's.

    Am I happy with this....No way!!!
    You are a fool if you really think how the Town Hall or Police Station looks actually matters in the delivery of services.

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    Quote Originally Posted by wolfpack View Post
    Grumpy drinking the koolaid
    Notice how you did not have anything to counter his facts...

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    Quote Originally Posted by wolfpack View Post
    Grumpy drinking the koolaid
    Grumpy only drinks the koolaid when its mixed with the right kicker!

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    Quote Originally Posted by wolfpack View Post

    DEMOCRACY DIED IN AMHERST
    I concur with the points made by someone in another blog reprinted above.
    Democracy cannot die when it was never alive. We ELECT representatives in our form of government to represent us. If they do not, we VOTE them out. Town hall meetings are not playgrounds for the gadflies to spout off.

    You want a bigger say, run for office pal. Wolfpack, I have news for you, they call the position Supervisor because that is what he does DUH . You call him Gepetto because you do not like his views - TOUGH BEANS! You want a bigger say, run against him and you can then be the one who oversees the Town Government. You were not elected and that is why someone needs to limit the drivel people puke out at meetings. Look at Lancaster, wow a comedy central it looks like at their meetings.

    These are just some things that all you town hall crybabies need to be reminded of.
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    Quote Originally Posted by CSense View Post
    IMO, Amherst provides a its services at a premium, not necessarily better but it's to keep out the degenerates
    Your joking right? haha Who determines what a degenerate is? I know their are snobs all over WNY - but this is prince!
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    Quote Originally Posted by leftWNYbecauseofBS View Post
    That is really nice to hear. Go and check out the one in Amherst. Not only is it always clean...it is 5-6 times the size.
    Oh ya, I bet my pig is cleaner than your pig....
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    Quote Originally Posted by grump View Post
    We don't need public sewers either...we could all walk around just crapping in the streets the way they still do in Satish's home territory.
    Just had to get that lowlife dig in eh?
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    Quote Originally Posted by CSense View Post
    I don't agree with your premise that each service is necessarily the same. For instance, you could to go to Chef's restaurant for a plate of speghetti versus Oliver's. The cost of the speghetti is the same, utilities, etc (forget taste) But why do people go to Oliver's and pay twice the amount? Ambieance, service, professional chef not some line order cook, get away from the degenerates and so on.....

    IMO, Amherst provides a its services at a premium, not necessarily better but it's to keep out the degenerates
    Define degenerates...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Frank Broughton View Post
    Democracy cannot die when it was never alive. We ELECT representatives in our form of government to represent us. If they do not, we VOTE them out. Town hall meetings are not playgrounds for the gadflies to spout off.

    You want a bigger say, run for office pal. Wolfpack, I have news for you, they call the position Supervisor because that is what he does DUH . You call him Gepetto because you do not like his views - TOUGH BEANS! You want a bigger say, run against him and you can then be the one who oversees the Town Government. You were not elected and that is why someone needs to limit the drivel people puke out at meetings. Look at Lancaster, wow a comedy central it looks like at their meetings.

    These are just some things that all you town hall crybabies need to be reminded of.
    Kudos, Frank! This could apply to just about any municipality anywhere. In my experience, the biggest whiners about "democracy died in ... [fill in your city, town, county, state] .... " tend to be the people who don't get off their arses to participate in the political process because they are too lazy to do anything but flap their yaps.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Linda_D View Post
    Kudos, Frank! This could apply to just about any municipality anywhere. In my experience, the biggest whiners about "democracy died in ... [fill in your city, town, county, state] .... " tend to be the people who don't get off their arses to participate in the political process because they are too lazy to do anything but flap their yaps.
    And yet such a simple concept could fix this state and area! Good point

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    We won't recognize Amherst at all in a few years. It is not that green bedroom community where people's views were important and the developers had not taken over the decision-making process. Watch as the infrastructure is threatened by the overcrowding in areas that cannot support the latest development, where empty plazas are left that way for years, where SEQR studies are peripheral and the traffic is monstrous, and the costs for services keeps rising in a bloated bureaucracy continues with high paid administartors to keep them happy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by wolfpack View Post
    We won't recognize Amherst at all in a few years. It is not that green bedroom community where people's views were important and the developers had not taken over the decision-making process. Watch as the infrastructure is threatened by the overcrowding in areas that cannot support the latest development, where empty plazas are left that way for years, where SEQR studies are peripheral and the traffic is monstrous, and the costs for services keeps rising in a bloated bureaucracy continues with high paid administartors to keep them happy.
    I don't have a horse in this race since I don't live in Amherst, never lived in Amherst, and don't ever intend to live in Amherst, but this statement is too stupid to be true. I mean that literally, not figuratively. Do you know who Jack Sharpe was? Look him up and stop living in a fantasy world.

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