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    Obama wins Louisiana, Nebraska, Washington, and the Virgin I

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    WASHINGTON (CNN) -- Voters in Saturday's Republican contests showed they're not yet ready to support Sen. John McCain as their party's nominee while Sen. Barack Obama cut into Sen. Hillary Clinton's lead in the race for Democratic delegates.

    Illinois Sen. Barack Obama swept the Democratic contests on Saturday, according to CNN projections.

    Obama claimed victory in Louisiana, Nebraska and Washington on Saturday, as well as in the Virgin Islands.

    "The stakes are too high and the challenges are too great to play the same old Washington game with the same old Washington players and expect a different result," Obama told a hugely pro-Obama crowd of Democrats at the Jefferson-Jackson dinner in Richmond, Virginia.

    "People want to turn the page. They want to write a new chapter in American history." Video Watch Obama rally in Virginia »

    Clinton has 1,100 delegates and Obama has 1,039, according to CNN calculations.

    On the Republican side, Mike Huckabee upset front-runner McCain in Saturday's Republican contests.

    The former Arkansas governor beat McCain in Kansas by nearly a 3-1 margin.

    Huckabee also was leading in Louisiana.

    In Washington state, the Republican caucuses were too close to call.

    Huckabee's Saturday wins show that Republicans are necessarily following in line behind McCain, the Arizona senator and presumptive nominee. See state-by-state results »

    "People across America are gravitating toward our campaign and realizing that there is still a choice. And that's what we've said all along, that this race is far from being over," Huckabee said after the first results came in. Video Watch what Huckabee says about the results »

    Obama and Huckabee have done well in caucus states like Iowa, where grass-roots efforts are more likely to have greater influence.

    Obama also picked up a boost in Washington with the endorsement of the state's governor, Christine Gregoire.

    Saturday's races marked the first contests without former Massachusetts Gov. Mitt Romney, who suspended his campaign Thursday.

    But Huckabee faces a daunting challenge. McCain has a significant lead in the delegate count after Super Tuesday. Huckabee has 217 delegates to McCain's 714, according to CNN calculations.

    Even if Huckabee wins every remaining state with 50 percent of the vote to McCain's 40 percent, McCain would still be the nominee.

    "The other scenario... if he kept winning by large margins could he keep John McCain short of the line? That is a more probable scenario, but still an unlikely scenario," said CNN chief national correspondent John King.
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    "I know the pundits, and I know what they say: The math doesn't work out," Huckabee said Saturday morning at the Conservative Political Action Conference in Washington. "Well, I didn't major in math, I majored in miracles. And I still believe in those, too."

    A senior McCain adviser said they were not surprised by the results in Kansas.

    "There are more caucus states we will probably lose, but our campaign is focusing on a transition from front-runner to nominee," he said.

    Huckabee scored wins in the Southern states of Alabama, Georgia, Tennessee, and his native Arkansas on Super Tuesday, and social conservatives in Louisiana might mobilize behind him and send a message to McCain.

    Huckabee pulled off a stunning win in the Iowa caucuses, the product of a grass-roots movement, and both Kansas and Washington are caucus states.

    Huckabee said Saturday that the $250,000 his campaign had raised online in 24 hours was a sign of the health of his presidential effort.

    Louisiana, still suffering from Hurricane Katrina, could be a key political state this year -- something not lost on both Democratic campaigns as they drum up last-minute votes. Video Watch the Democratic candidates campaign »

    On the Republican side, Huckabee was in Kansas on Friday. He attended rallies in Olathe, Wichita, Topeka and Garden City.

    McCain, meanwhile, held a national security roundtable in Norfolk, Virginia, and later traveled to Wichita, Kansas. Afterward, it was off to Seattle.

    Here is a list of states and territories holding contests this weekend:

    February 9

    Guam Republican caucuses

    Delegates: 6 unpledged delegates at stake

    Kansas Republican caucuses

    Participation: Closed (registered Republicans only)

    Delegates: 36 pledged delegates at stake

    Louisiana Republican and Democratic primaries

    Republican participation: Closed primary

    Delegates: 20 pledged delegates possibly at stake

    Democratic participation: Closed primary

    Delegates: 56 pledged delegates at stake

    Nebraska Democratic caucuses

    Participation: Closed. Any voter can, however, register as a Democrat at the caucus.

    Delegates: 24 pledged delegates at stake

    Virgin Islands Republican caucuses

    Delegates: 6 unpledged delegates at stake

    Washington State Democratic, Republican caucuses

    Democratic participation: Open caucuses, in which any voter can participate, but must declare that he or she is a Democrat.

    Delegates: 78 pledged delegates at stake.

    The February 19 Washington State primary is a nonbinding beauty contest for Democrats.

    Republican participation: Open, so any voter can participate, but must sign a declaration indicating that he or she is a member of the Republican Party and has or will not participate in the 2008 precinct caucus or convention system of any other party.

    Delegates: 18 pledged delegates at stake.

    Northern Mariana Islands Republican caucuses

    Delegates: 6 unpledged delegates at stake.

    February 10

    Maine Democratic caucuses

    Participation: Democrats hold closed primaries. New voters, as well as voters not registered in a political party, may register as Democrats at the caucus.

    Republicans and Green Party members must become registered Democrats by January 26 in order to participate in the Democratic caucus.

    Delegates: 24 pledged delegates at stake.

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    a sweep on 2/9 for my candidate of choice....it's a virtual delegate tie right now...momentum is ours...God willing...we continue on and have some real change!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by WASHINGTON (AFP)
    —The former first lady also looks vulnerable in Virginia as an average of opinion polls by RealClearPolitics.com, an independent poll-tracking website, showed Obama leading by 17 percentage points.
    Obama has won more states, has a larger popular vote and holds more delegates via votes than Hillary. Yet she narrowly leads due to super delegates. Nice to know that "democracy" still doesn't work.

    I for one will leave the Democratic Party should Obama win the popular vote, win more states and delegates but loses to politics. We should all remember what happened to Al Gore, if this happens we (Democrats) can never again say the Supreme Court gave us Bush because we will have done the same thing in a primary.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CSense
    Obama has won more states, has a larger popular vote and holds more delegates via votes than Hillary. Yet she narrowly leads due to super delegates. Nice to know that "democracy" still doesn't work.

    I for one will leave the Democratic Party should Obama win the popular vote, win more states and delegates but loses to politics. We should all remember what happened to Al Gore, if this happens we (Democrats) can never again say the Supreme Court gave us Bush because we will have done the same thing in a primary.
    I'm a life-long Dem, but I'm having the same doubts that you express now. I'd vote for Hillary, if she does end up being the nominee, but I'll switch after that to independent. I'm pretty fed up with the Dems, and this would be the last straw for me.

    Plus, I'm really and truly convinced Hillary can't win the general. Which doubly irritates me about this whole mess.

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    No "Real" Candidates..........

    Quote Originally Posted by atotaltotalfan2001
    I'm a life-long Dem, but I'm having the same doubts that you express now. I'd vote for Hillary, if she does end up being the nominee, but I'll switch after that to independent. I'm pretty fed up with the Dems, and this would be the last straw for me.

    Plus, I'm really and truly convinced Hillary can't win the general. Which doubly irritates me about this whole mess.
    Let's face , there's really no one "out there" who we really want for President right now......snake oil charmers , smoke & mirror magicians , etc. The closest "new" person is let's face it , Obama . But does he really have enough experience to lead our country ? Especially in the face of overwhelming odds , odds against us in this New World Economy ? The next 8 years are crucial to our country & world in general , we're (room for debate here ?) in the middle of a war with Extremist Islamic Terrorists , who can lead us out of this abyss ? OPEC is shaking us down , with the help of our VERY own leaders , they're ALL in on it , getting their piece of the action , taking the money right out of our wallets , purses , bank accounts (remember when you actually had money in a bank account ?) , our stock holdings are being stolen , the "EURO" has defeated our diplomacy in the European Theatre , hell , even Canada (with their huge taxes) are taking advantage of us............ McCain , no , Romney , no , Hillary (Cry Me A River) , no , maybe Barack may just be that light at the end of the tunnel , that beacon we all ask for.............Then again he may panic if he does not surround himself with the right Cabinet ? I always wanted Colin Powell , he was respected through-out the world , plus a military man , maybe he just has too much sincerety & wisdom to "run" ? Yes , I believe Powell is what the USA needs , there's no one like him running before , now , or in the near future..........Sad , no "real" candidates , just pick the least of all evils !
    Nothing gold can stay...............

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    [QUOTE=winfield31] Let's face , there's really no one "out there" who we really want for President right now......snake oil charmers , smoke & mirror magicians , etc. The closest "new" person is let's face it , Obama . But does he really have enough experience to lead our country ? QUOTE]
    Experience?
    maybe not.
    Wisdom??
    seemingly so.


    Delegate count as of this morning:

    Hillary - 1095
    Obama - 1070

    Includes superdelegates
    Let me articulate this for you:
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    [quote=HipKat]
    Quote Originally Posted by winfield31
    Let's face , there's really no one "out there" who we really want for President right now......snake oil charmers , smoke & mirror magicians , etc. The closest "new" person is let's face it , Obama . But does he really have enough experience to lead our country ? QUOTE]
    Experience?
    maybe not.
    Wisdom??
    seemingly so.


    Delegate count as of this morning:

    Hillary - 1095
    Obama - 1070

    Includes superdelegates
    Delegate "counts" do not equate into wisdom.....political savvy , yes , wisdom to run the world's foremost super power , no....... Colin Powell has both & then some..........
    Nothing gold can stay...............

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    [QUOTE=winfield31]
    Quote Originally Posted by HipKat
    Delegate "counts" do not equate into wisdom.....political savvy , yes , wisdom to run the world's foremost super power , no....... Colin Powell has both & then some..........

    It wasn't my intention to make delegate counts seem as though anyone has the wisdom to run the country.
    I added that as a footnote
    Let me articulate this for you:
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    Kewl !!

    [quote=HipKat]
    Quote Originally Posted by winfield31


    It wasn't my intention to make delegate counts seem as though anyone has the wisdom to run the country.
    I added that as a footnote
    My mis-understanding Hip.....
    Nothing gold can stay...............

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    [QUOTE=winfield31]
    Quote Originally Posted by HipKat
    Delegate "counts" do not equate into wisdom.....political savvy , yes , wisdom to run the world's foremost super power , no....... Colin Powell has both & then some..........
    I liked Colin Powell, once upon a time. I would have voted for him, back then, if he had run for president.

    Then he totally disillusioned me by falling, hook line and sinker, for Bush's BS about weapons of mass destruction. He lost all credibility with me and today I have no regard for him.

    The sad thing to me is that he didn't fall on his sword for Bush for political reasons -- he was always the odd man out in Bush circles. He did it, I think, because a solider follows orders. In the end it doesn't matter. He needed to show leadership, and he didn't. Now I'm glad he didn't run for president.

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    If we're really talking experience, no one has been closer to the Presidency, seen the decisions that must be made, seen the tolls it can take, than Hillary. I honestly don't think anyone has anywhere close to an idea of what being President entails until they're in the White House...and she's the only one who has been there.

    That being said, I believe Obama has the courage and intestinal fortitude to be an effective President for 1 or 2 terms. I truly do believe that youth and energy can help guard against the constant run-down that the Presidency imposes. I believe that Obama represents not just a diverse America, but a diverse world. I believe that having him as our figurehead will represent to ourselves and the world that we are not a bunch of backward racist hicks with no tolerance for anyone who doesn't look like our past 43 Presidents. And yes, I believe this is VERY important. I believe that Obama can work across party lines, and I believe that he is progressive enough to lead our country forward without being so radical as to shock our system or scare our people.

    In short, Winfield, I DO have someone "out there" that I REALLY want as President right now. His name is Barak Obama, thank you.

    And I have to believe that, at some point, Edwards will release his delegates to Obama. That would give him likely a 200 delegate edge at the moment.
    But your being a dick
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    It is weird that Woodstock hasnt commented on the current surge that Obama has put into this primary. That coupled with Hillary's dismissal of her campaign manager...... sounds like the panic buttons may have been pushed too late.

    From a Republicans perspective: I want Hillary to win because it will be much easier for the McCain/whomever ticket to beat her than it will be to beat Mr. Obama. I will support McCain if he chooses a VP running mate with Conservative ideals. Otherwise, none of the candidates will really appeal to me.

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    I think Woodstock's got her head buried in the sand these days.
    Let me articulate this for you:
    "I'm not locked in here with them. They're locked in here with me!!"
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    Quote Originally Posted by HipKat
    I think Woodstock's got her head buried in the sand these days.
    Woody made a highly inappropriate comment to Ragin regarding the death of ragin's mother. Woody has either been in hiding, or banned, since then. I don't normally post my personal feelings about members, but after that comment from woody, I hope she's gone for good. I realize she has a lot of entertainment value for some members, but there needs to be a limit.....and I think she went beyond it.

    That's too bad. She's a good advocate for Hillary. And I sometimes like the things she has to say. But to be so cruel......that can't be allowed here, as far as I'm concerned. Life in the real world is cruel enough. Why should we allow it in our little SU world, with its moderators?

    Sorry. Somewhat off topic....

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