But will they look at the Elected ones??????

[4248]

This could get good folks

Double dipping, overtime stacking, duplicate benefits !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Theres people(Elected and appointed) who collect 2-3-4- tax funded checks a month here in Lancaste.

"Anyone with knowledge of questionable pension padding is asked to contact the Attorney General's Public Integrity Bureau at (212) 416-8090, or by e-mail at public.integrity@ag.ny.gov."

This will show just who's "Protected" by the system,
and who works for it!!!!!!!

[hawkeye]

This could get good folks

Double dipping, overtime stacking, duplicate benefits !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Theres people(Elected and appointed) who collect 2-3-4- tax funded checks a month here in Lancaste.

"Anyone with knowledge of questionable pension padding is asked to contact the Attorney General's Public Integrity Bureau at (212) 416-8090, or by e-mail at public.integrity@ag.ny.gov."

This will show just who's "Protected" by the system,
and who works for it!!!!!!!

I see a microphone being jammed in some ones face, days of old and sour grapes turn into sour WHINE ! Please tell us peep on's of your thought 4248 we are waiting WHO ELSE is screwing the taxpayers?????

[4248]

Actually its "sweet wine" - I for one will enjoy and welcome the investigations.

Pointing fingers to cover ones own greed has become an art form in the tax funded world.

While some of us unknowingly stepped into the snakes den, believing we could help - others manipulated and played the game way before and continually afterwords.

Open the doors, tell the whole story and let the chips fly. If one person is responsible for .1% of the problem - you cant excuse the other 99.9% for a life time of lies and abuse of power.


Lets see where it goes.

[hawkeye]

Actually its "sweet wine" - I for one will enjoy and welcome the investigations.

Pointing fingers to cover ones own greed has become an art form in the tax funded world.

While some of us unknowingly stepped into the snakes den, believing we could help - others manipulated and played the game way before and continually afterwords.

Open the doors, tell the whole story and let the chips fly. If one person is responsible for .1% of the problem - you cant excuse the other 99.9% for a life time of lies and abuse of power.


Lets see where it goes.

If elephants had wings they could fly and then sh*t would be a problem ! Yes 4248 it's the 99.9% that are the problem but looking at it from the outside is the wrong outlook, it's the excuse the elephants need to do their dirty deeds! Years after your gone and fishing and hunting out of the area the do-ers will still doing the dirty deeds!!!!!!

[Lee Chowaniec]

This could get good folks

Double dipping, overtime stacking, duplicate benefits !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Theres people(Elected and appointed) who collect 2-3-4- tax funded checks a month here in Lancaste.

"Anyone with knowledge of questionable pension padding is asked to contact the Attorney General's Public Integrity Bureau at (212) 416-8090, or by e-mail at public.integrity@ag.ny.gov."

This will show just who's "Protected" by the system,
and who works for it!!!!!!!

Yes 4248, there are several town elected officials and other appointed/department heads who wear several hats and get compensated for each while most often getting all obligations done within normal work hours.

They also feast off of other perks and benefits and show no shame while publicly stating "I am entitled to such compensation." Town employees work overtime in the last year on the job to build up retirement credits.

But how do you stop the process when all politicos in office, from any party, practice like methods. Have you ever heard a candidate running for office declares he was going to make changes to any of the abuses you have mentioned? I haven't. Until such day I hear a candidate from any party pledge to make changes to the abuses mentioned, and carry them out, I will remain unaffiliated.

Years ago we had a good sense when we were getting screwed over by politicos, especially concerning patronage and favoritism. It was under the surface. Today politicos arrogantly and openly display their indulgences and transgressions, and sell their influence.

As I have done in the past several years, I will be voting against every incumbent. It sure sucks when I see that 97% of the incumbents are voted back into office. As is repeatedly said, “We deserve the government we get.”

[therising]

I've never fully understood the problem with so-called "double-dipping."

If a person works two jobs, and fulfills the requirements for a pension in each...how does one affect the other?

Is there a law, or maybe some code of ethics that I'm not aware of??

[300miles]

If it was "moonlighting" a second job for extra money... sure. But most likely these are secondary state jobs where neither job takes up a 40 hour week. If a job has so much free time that the person can take on another full job, then each job's salary should be VERY low. But I bet each one pays well.

I do the equivalent of 3 jobs at my work. But I still get only one salary. And only one retirement plan. If I took on a job at another company at the same time, my employer would question why I'm not busy enough to work full time at the first job, and I'd be fired immediately.

It's one more example of the public service jobs not understanding reality.

[gorja]

Since the premise for the AG's investigation is "pension padding", do you think the AG will widen his investigation into other areas that were previously reported to the Public Integrity bureau, such as "lack of ethics" in the purchase of a building from a company who had an officer who was also a board member of an IDA for the town of which purchased said building or "lack of ethics" in the Town supervisor receiving his healthcare benefits from the Boys and Girls club and the supervisor's town board gives money to the same Boys and Girls club?

Sorry, for the run on sentence.

[4248]

One can only hope - there has to come a time where someone outside the "Party Circle" actually has enough integrity to do their job. It hurts to think that every layer of Government is so "Politically Sensitive" that they are paralyzed.

It seems like we are at a point in NYS, where so many families have some sort of "Politically influenced tax dollar dependence."

Being the first in my family to have a tax funded job has been a real eye opener. So many, most of my family was/are Democrat, factory type workers.

They were floored by Lancaster Controlling Party's actions. Nepotism, patronage, entitlement jobs was just a "Rumor" to them.

Now we see the double dippers, pension stacker's, multiple tax funded benefits, tax funded health care and on and on. Only time will tell how this all washes out in the next ten years or so.

I just cant believe so many are blinded by greed and entitlement that they could or would actually bankrupt a State. Its an actual possibility, and they just keep piling on more demands.

God Bless America

[Bud B Boomer]

I am afraid to ask this question; but here goes.

After working for 33 years in local government I recently retired. During my working life I held a full time job in one local government and a part time position in the same professional position for another local government. The full time job was M - F during the days and the part time position was one night a week and saturday mornings. I received my health insurance from the full time position; which since retirement I must now pay for myself. I was employed in the part time position for 24 years and received no additional benefits. The salaries of both positions were added together when my pension was calculated but my total service time was not increased, it remained at 33 years the amount of time I served in my full time position.

Ok so here is my question...am I considered a "double dipper" or a "pension padder"?

[therising]

I am afraid to ask this question; but here goes.

After working for 33 years in local government I recently retired. During my working life I held a full time job in one local government and a part time position in the same professional position for another local government. The full time job was M - F during the days and the part time position was one night a week and saturday mornings. I received my health insurance from the full time position; which since retirement I must now pay for myself. I was employed in the part time position for 24 years and received no additional benefits. The salaries of both positions were added together when my pension was calculated but my total service time was not increased, it remained at 33 years the amount of time I served in my full time position.

Ok so here is my question...am I considered a "double dipper" or a "pension padder"?

According to everyone else here, it seems like you meet the definition.

Like I said earlier, I see nothing wrong with it.

[Bud B Boomer]

According to everyone else here, it seems like you meet the definition.

Like I said earlier, I see nothing wrong with it.

Hmmmmm and all those years I thought I was just trying to put food on the table and provide a comfortable standard of living for my family. BTW for the record the total maximum income totaled $52,000 so we weren't living high off the hog.

My father worked two jobs, back then it was referred to as "moonlighting", so say if I was a fire fighter and also worked an additional job say as a carpenter, am I a double dipper, a pension padder or a moonlighter. Can you only be a double dipper if you work in government?

I really am trying to stop from getting a complex over all of this

[4248]

I am afraid to ask this question; but here goes.

After working for 33 years in local government I recently retired. During my working life I held a full time job in one local government and a part time position in the same professional position for another local government. The full time job was M - F during the days and the part time position was one night a week and saturday mornings.
Doesn't seem like "overlap in hours" of work.



I received my health insurance from the full time position; which since retirement I must now pay for myself. I was employed in the part time position for 24 years and received no additional benefits.
Appears you only had one health care package - True?



The salaries of both positions were added together when my pension was calculated but my total service time was not increased, it remained at 33 years the amount of time I served in my full time position.
As you stated - service time was not extended - the credits earned were combined - assuming you mean the salaries were totaled and used for final pension averaging -

Ok so here is my question...am I considered a "double dipper" or a "pension padder"?

You did not double dip on "Perks" such as tax funded health care - you did not accept money from the second position in lue of "health care" - why would one call that double dipping?

Double dipping is when tax funded benefits such as "health care" and other benefits are derived from more than one tax funded source. Where a payout is taken instead of duplicate policy coverage.

This seems to be a habit of elected and appointed "Employees" - they receive multiple "Reimbursements" from multiple sources all tax funded.

As with our Town Supervisor - he says "Look at all the Committees, Boards and meetings I attend as part of my job - and then look at all the other good stuff I do - like help out at the Boys and Girls Club"

Then we find out about all the hidden- Compensations - reimbursements - mileage - meals - seminars - IDA - sewer district 4 - and the list goes on and on - almost all the "Good Things" they do are reimbursed unknowingly by the taxpayers.

When even the 15 minutes a month for the Boys and Girls club translates into another "Perk" - another health care check!(As with Supervisor B.Giza)

Or like when one of our Senior Town Board members - retired from one tax funded job - resigns from a tax funded elected position - combines the two pension credits - inflates their life long entitlement and then is re-appointed to the same tax funded elected position.

Also both positions/jobs carried tax funded NYS Pension credits - both positions carried health care(One had a yearly cash buyout of $6000.00) - dental coverage - eye care - Aflac insurance - life insurance and more.

I believe thats what "Double Dipping" refers to - not some honest person who has two jobs and no hidden "Tax funded Perks"

[Bud B Boomer]

You did not double dip on "Perks" such as tax funded health care - you did not accept money from the second position in lue of "health care" - why would one call that double dipping?

Double dipping is when tax funded benefits such as "health care" and other benefits are derived from more than one tax funded source. Where a payout is taken instead of duplicate policy coverage.

This seems to be a habit of elected and appointed "Employees" - they receive multiple "Reimbursements" from multiple sources all tax funded.

As with our Town Supervisor - he says "Look at all the Committees, Boards and meetings I attend as part of my job - and then look at all the other good stuff I do - like help out at the Boys and Girls Club"

Then we find out about all the hidden- Compensations - reimbursements - mileage - meals - seminars - IDA - sewer district 4 - and the list goes on and on - almost all the "Good Things" they do are reimbursed unknowingly by the taxpayers.

When even the 15 minutes a month for the Boys and Girls club translates into another "Perk" - another health care check!(As with Supervisor B.Giza)

Or like when one of our Senior Town Board members - retired from one tax funded job - resigns from a tax funded elected position - combines the two pension credits - inflates their life long entitlement and then is re-appointed to the same tax funded elected position.

Also both positions/jobs carried tax funded NYS Pension credits - both positions carried health care(One had a yearly cash buyout of $6000.00) - dental coverage - eye care - Aflac insurance - life insurance and more.

I believe thats what "Double Dipping" refers to - not some honest person who has two jobs and no hidden "Tax funded Perks"

Outside of the pension which totaled my combined salaries [but did not add years to my service period} I didn't receive any additional, duplicate bennies or bennies in lieu of. Even the cost for mandated yearly continuing education i was required to complete was split as a shared cost between the two localities. Basically what I had going on was a shared service before share services was in vogue.

Anyway, 4248 you are making me feel better know that I wasn't one of these double dippers, so I guess I can still hold my head high.

[300miles]

According to everyone else here, it seems like you meet the definition.

Like I said earlier, I see nothing wrong with it.

His example does not sound like a double dipping scenario.