Wasn't the ZBA meeting last night?
Who went?
What happened?
Wasn't the ZBA meeting last night?
Who went?
What happened?
Last I checked there was a Lancaster thread. Why are you people hijacking "Amherst, Clarence & Williamsville" thread? We have enough of our own problems, I personally don't give a damn about Lancaster!
In your face abuse of our tax dollars - bottom line!
"GA airstrips only receive about 25-30% of the trust fund money"
$3.4 BILLION TAX DOLLARS is "only 25-30%"
I love this too, "Trust Fund" what a cute name for, TAX PAYER FUNDED SLUSH FUND.
How about this one, "Home Land Security Fund", I guess some how a fence around a Privately Owned Air Strip in Lancaster NY would in some way enhance America's "Home Land Security"
Funny sounding labels, mixed up numbers, Political influenced spending! Why does it always end up coming out of the taxpayers pocket, and eventually some well connected special interest groups project????????
When will tax payers get a "Bail Out" - we are paying for the Banks, the Auto Industry, Private Projects and then our Local Officials give them "Tax Exemptions"
Want to spur the economy - give each home owner a 5 year, 50% tax reduction!
Want to spur the economy - give every wage earner a 5 year, 50% income tax deduction.
Watch America grow!
5yr 50% tax reduction.
More families would put their kids in collage without subsidies, cars will be purchased, homes bought, new small businesses will grow, money will flow into all types of investments.
OH! I forgot - if we did that all the Politicians would loses their "Discretionary spending" slush funds - wouldn't want that - would we?
Doesnt other Towns and Cities care about Airline Safety and Taxes?
No tax funded patronage job, not running for Office , I speak for myself.
When will voters out number tax funded employees at the polls?
We love you, too.Originally Posted by Gandalf
Gandalf, I'd tend to agree that this thread belongs in Lancaster since it's about Lancaster airport but 4248 tends to spam the board with thread after thread on the same topic. If there were actually moderators on this board, they would move this thread to Lancaster and they would actually consolidate some threads on the same subject.
For whatever reason, homeland security views GA airports as a potential threat so they have shelled out a lot of money to put perimeter fences around all public airports. I think it does make the airport more secure since you can no longer wander up to unattended aircraft or gain access to the ramp and facilities. Does it make a hugh impact, not really, but it does help the Security of the aircraft."GA airstrips only receive about 25-30% of the trust fund money"
$3.4 BILLION TAX DOLLARS is "only 25-30%"
I love this too, "Trust Fund" what a cute name for, TAX PAYER FUNDED SLUSH FUND.
How about this one, "Home Land Security Fund", I guess some how a fence around a Privately Owned Air Strip in Lancaster NY would in some way enhance America's "Home Land Security"
4248, just for my own edification, how often do you fly in a year?
Hey, if you don't want to pay this tax, don't fly! It's just that simple!
First how is this not relevant to all tax payers?
The funding for these "Privately Owned" Air Strips are coming from many sources - not just from tax on airlines tickets oe Lancaster taxpayers. I assume you actually know that!
This is part of the problem - if it ain't my take home pay - I don't care. It was posted that the few Towns that removed elected Officials actually decreased tax spending - another poster said, "Big deal, .69 cents each home"
Yes, only 69 cents - by just eliminating a few tax funded people. Even if there was no reduction - theres still $20,000.00 a year going for services instead of a NYS retirement account for a part time employee.
Point being this affects us all - the fences you spoke of - $700,000.00 Federal Home Land security tax dollars - yes, as you stated, "but it does help the Security of the aircraft". How many of the 9/11 Air Craft were taken from small Privately owned Air Strips?
The pilots trained at small privately owned Air Strips - where they walked in and paid cash.
Now tax payers are funding them.
Just think, the $3.4 Billion tax dollars was only 25-30% of what was spent in one year.
No tax funded patronage job, not running for Office , I speak for myself.
When will voters out number tax funded employees at the polls?
Dont pay State or Federal taxes either.
Do you not care about that too?
No tax funded patronage job, not running for Office , I speak for myself.
When will voters out number tax funded employees at the polls?
I give you a simplistic synopsis of the 3 hour meeting. After about 2 minutes into the meeting the zoning board adjourned to speak in private with their attorney.Originally posted by therising:
Wasn't the ZBA meeting last night?
Who went?
What happened?
After returning the board needed the complainants to present their reasons for being considered aggrieved parties. Thought they did a great job in doing that. There was a 40 year resident from Ransom Rd who spoke about the growing nuisance of the overhead planes due to the expansion and the flight school.
They also had to present to the board why they deemed the airport as nonconforming use. Thought they did a great job with that, as well.
I'm sure Lee will have to write a 6-part series to cover everything but they do go back before the ZBA on May 13.
The BLA has to provide acreage, hangar space and I believe daily plane take-offs (not sure) from May 15, 1989 when the zoning ordinance went onto effect.
The complainants have to provide evidence of slower property sales, lower property values, etc.
There was mention of having the assessor go through property records to ascertain the proerty in use in 1989 and the present. The same situation with building permits to see what was added on since then.
Bear in mind, it was a long day and this is what I perceived to be the situation last night.
SACL members and Lee, please correct me if I'm wrong.
Last edited by gorja; March 12th, 2010 at 05:41 PM.
Yes, there are FOUR on the town board
If I follow your logic - you should only post where you live.
I don't agree with that - but you are pressing the point.
So does that make you a NIMBY kind of a person?
No tax funded patronage job, not running for Office , I speak for myself.
When will voters out number tax funded employees at the polls?
Thank you. No ruling?
No, there was no ruling.
Yes, there are FOUR on the town board
What you saw last night was a typical Lancaster "Dog and Pony Show" -
First off - who's lawyers were in the Board room during their private talk?
Were they "Town Lawyers" - was it only the "Town Attorney"?
Either way unless the Air Strip owner was paying them - they were "Hired by Lancaster" - they will be paid by Lancaster Taxpayers.
Who hired them and to protect who's interest? If they were hired by the Air Strip owners - why were they treated to "Closed Door" treatment? Why weren't they presenting their questions and concerns in public????
If they are representing the "Town" then they should be working for the taxpayers - not looking for loop wholes to protect the true issues and misdeeds of Elected Officials.
Why should once again the "burden of proof" for any other issue than proper zoning be put before the ZBA at this time?
The building Inspector knows the Town Codes, Supervisor Giza understands the codes, the Town Attorney should have access to them.
Yet, the issue of "Proper Zoning" gets buried under - lets look at whats been done since May 15, 1989. Lets look at whats been done to property values - who cares - thats not the issue. Lets make a whole list of irrelevant issue the smoke that clouds what they did wrong.
The Town Board lied to taxpayers - the IDA led by Supervisor Giza wrote sales and property tax exemptions - lets look at the legality of that!
Lets look at the legality of a flawed SEQR Review that excluded public input and ignored the reality of past complaints and present concerns.
The Federal Government should be looking at this as a violation of the Sherman Act. These people have helped the owners of this Air Strip gain an unfair market advantage - by quietly funneling them tax exemptions, sales tax breaks and by submitting a false/improperly gained document - SEQR Review documents.
There by allowing the Air Strip to receive Federal Funds and Home Land Security money in order to, according to the Air Strips owner - under cut the Air Plane storage rental Market - creating an unfair advantage.
All the rest is smoke to try and bankrupt the residents paying for the SAC Lawyer.
The taxpayers should be outraged that the Town is using tax dollars to fight taxpayers.
No tax funded patronage job, not running for Office , I speak for myself.
When will voters out number tax funded employees at the polls?
Ruling may come next meeting in May....
Residents happy with outcome so far. In addition to town & SAC attorney's being very prepared and thorough, zoning board members were very impressive as well, in particular, Mr. Thill.
For whatever reason, homeland security views GA airports as a potential threat so they have shelled out a lot of money to put perimeter fences around all public airports. I think it does make the airport more secure since you can no longer wander up to unattended aircraft or gain access to the ramp and facilities. Does it make a hugh impact, not really, but it does help the Security of the aircraft.
4248, just for my own edification, how often do you fly in a year?
Hey, if you don't want to pay this tax, don't fly! It's just that simple!
It helps the owners from having break ins and keeps delinquents, juvenile and adult from touching things they shouldn't be touching. As for Homeland Security, that's a joke! An unguarded fence can be cut with a pair of wirecutters in minutes and the terrorists lurking in the shadows can take any plane they want. More "feel good" b.s from the same crew that takes away your nail clippers.
Why are taxpayers forced to fund and fight for a private Air Strip
A small group of people in Lancaster , some Elected, some appointed Officials and a property owner - year after year - quietly make plans and deals that have helped funnel tax breaks, Millions of tax dollars and preferential treatment (by helping them get "Receiver Status") to a private business venture.
What gives them the authority to help a private business use tax dollars to lower his rental fees so he can under cut his competition - that should be looked at as a possible violation of the "Sherman Act."
Tax payers are being forced, I say forced because we are given no say in who gets our tax dollars. Or how Town Hall spends it.
We are funding a "Private Business Expansion" because our local Officials choose to give them our tax dollars.
We are now paying lawyers, with tax dollars to defend the Town Boards gifts! Why, did the Towns Taxpayers vote to do that - NO!
This is in your face abuse of Authority entrusted to our Local Elected and Appointed Officials. They have violated the tax payers trust.
Supervisor Bob Giza has told many, many residents,"You should have done your home work" - "You should have known better" - "Its those barn NIMBY's" -
Hey Bob - how come you didn't know better - why didn't you look up the zoning codes and laws? You approved the homes around this Air Strip - all the time hiding the fact you were quietly planning for its expansion - now you blame the Home owners who bought the Homes you approved.
The Town Board knew the facts, they hid/ignored them. They denied public input and fudged a SEQR Review, enabling Millions of tax dollars to be funneled to a Private Venture Air Strip even though it wasn't legally zoned.
No tax funded patronage job, not running for Office , I speak for myself.
When will voters out number tax funded employees at the polls?
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