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    Seneca Nation to stop casino payments

    In a likely response to the expansion of non-tribal casinos in NYS the Senaca Nation is claiming they are done paying a share of revenue to NYS.

    So the question is how should NYS, Erie/Niagara County and Buffalo/Niagara Falls respond.

    Here is how I would....


    1. NYS immediately licenses 2 additional casinos in Niagara Falls. One license is contingent upon the inclusion of a conference/convention center that would be suitable for medium size conferences. The second would be contingent upon some form of shopping center included in the project. Both would need to include a minimum number of hotel rooms. Both of these would be build directly across the street from the current NF casino.
    2. Buffalo immediately levies fees against the Buffalo casino to a level that would be equal to 110% of what the anticipated revenue share would have been. Erie County does the same. If fees are not paid, the landlocked parcel is removed from the grid for services like water/sewer/power.



    Buffalo does not need another casino and frankly the existing one needs to be leveraged. That said, all parties involved need to play hardball here.

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    Do you really think anything like that is likely to happen?

    As for #1. How would a group compete seeing one has property/sale tax while the Indian owned casino does not. The casino is on "Indian land" so they are tax exempt. Correct? Unless the profit is so great they can absorb the different in taxes.

    #2 I don't know what you would be taxing/levies seeing the property is considered "Indian land". Correct?

    The moment the council cuts off water/sewer/power lawyers would step up to the plate. I could see "city" supplied services but I don't see "business supplied" services being cut off. The electric company isn't owned by the City/County. Water and sewer are government ran.

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    Quote Originally Posted by WNYresident View Post
    Do you really think anything like that is likely to happen?
    No. It would be too much risk and too much opportunity.

    Quote Originally Posted by WNYresident View Post
    As for #1. How would a group compete seeing one has property/sale tax while the Indian owned casino does not. The casino is on "Indian land" so they are tax exempt. Correct? Unless the profit is so great they can absorb the different in taxes.
    If there was ever a body that could find a way to 'fee and regulate' a business into the ground and to level the playing field...it would be the various government bodies in NYS.

    But seriously...it's a good question. I think even with an uneven playing field you would be able to find two casinos to want to build there. Maybe they make all 3 'tax free' zones for just 10 years. Just enough to bleed dry the Seneca Nation.

    Quote Originally Posted by WNYresident View Post
    #2 I don't know what you would be taxing/levies seeing the property is considered "Indian land". Correct?

    The moment the council cuts off water/sewer/power lawyers would step up to the plate. I could see "city" supplied services but I don't see "business supplied" services being cut off. The electric company isn't owned by the City/County. Water and sewer are government ran.
    You have it in the wrong order.

    First you add a fee. Like a 'delivery fee' or an 'international processing fee' and make it a crazy number like $20,000,000 per year. After all, it would be technically an international transaction. Then, if they don't pay, you cut off the delivery of services. Just like you would for any business.



    Of course this could have multiple levels of tit for tat....

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    I see what you mean. I didn't think it was a good idea to begin with. I don't some business's should get advantage over others. IE: No sales tax, property tax breaks...

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    I don't profess to know that much about the compact between the Nation and NYS. I will say, however, that I would take the word of almost anyone over that of Il Douche. As for the local governments didn't the Senecas say they would do bilateral deals with each of them? Hell, they might be better off going that route than accepting the droppings from Il Douche.
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