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    Quote Originally Posted by abc123 View Post
    buffalopundit asked you if you supported a muslim registry when you cried about being thought of as xenophobic but you declined to answer. you doubted net zero illegal immigration, evidence was presented, you had nothing to say. i am sure the late term abortion discussion and why it is legal will go the same way. you would rather just continue your diatribe about hillary clinton and playing the victim because she said something mean 3 months ago. over...and over...and over.
    Thank you for pointing this out.
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    Quote Originally Posted by HipKat View Post
    If Hillary had won the electoral college, and Trump had won the popular vote, I bet the Dems wouldn't be saying a word about "the people spoke...." "won by 2%......", etc, etc
    If the Queen had balls, she'd be the King.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lee Chowaniec View Post
    I am not in favor of Medicare or SS privatization. But they are in need of reform/change to remain vital in the future. As for your not realizing that Obama's policies were not socialist, how sad.
    You're not in favor of the privatization of Medicare or Social Security, which means you are in favor of their continued government administration, which sort of makes them socialist policies. If that's what you mean about Obama, I guess you're right, after all. If you have different examples, you've declined to offer them despite the absolute ridiculousness of your claim.

    So, the biased mainstream media, the DEM pundits, the wacko celebrity crown continue to cast Trump as not fit for office, that he has a mental problem, and in so many other demeaning terms and that’s ok with you because that is your crowd?
    Why do these people concern you so? They don't seem to concern the President-Elect, who merely has to Tweet some insults at his critics to get all of his cyberbrownshirts harassing and threatening, e.g., teenage women and union bosses who criticize the Dear Leader. Why, the harassment doesn't even need to come from Trump directly - his cyberbrownshirts are willing to act independently.

    Considering Trump has not taken office yet, has not issued one policy, what would you like me to criticize on his administration? Should I have criticized all his campaign rhetoric and when any politically informed person knows that all make promises they have no intention to keep, can’t keep because of constitutional and legal restrictions. Trump has already walked back many of the promises he made on the campaign trail. You may want to fry his ass based on speculative information, others will wait until he actually does something official.
    You could criticize his cabinet picks, many of whom have publicly come out in favor of weakening - if not abolishing - the departments they're being tapped to lead. I'm astonished that anyone would willingly and knowingly support a politician who says outrageous things that he knows he can't accomplish because of Constitutional restrictions. You could criticize the fact that his cabinet is made up almost exclusively of billionaires and generals, despite the fact that he's supposed to be riding some populist wave. You could criticize the fact that Trump hasn't answered questions from the press at any sort of press conference since July, content instead to lead his pitiful "yay me" rallies.

    And gee, I didn't realize I had to respond to buffalopundit on matters I already I already posted on; closed borders favoring legal immigration policies, deportation of the felon illegal immigrants, and a delay of allowing immigrants from terrorist countries until a system is in place to properly vet them. Now which ones do you favor or oppose?
    You're exposing yourself as a fraud. You say things that aren't true, and when confronted with them, you say nothing. You whine about how pleased you are to not be called a xenophobe, but I ask whether you support a specific policy proposal that Trump has made, and you dummy up. Just admit you're happy the lying criminal bitch lost and be done with it. That's what you're really saying - that's what you really mean. Just be free to be as politically incorrect as you know you want to be.

    You had 8 years of Obama, social engineering and political correctness – and Hillary was going to double-down on his failed policies. The country voted to go in a different direction. Trump won, get over it.
    Please provide examples of "social engineering" and what it is about "political correctness" that triggers you so. Thanks in advance.
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    Quote Originally Posted by buffalopundit View Post
    If the Queen had balls, she'd be the King.
    What if she is transgendered?

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    Quote Originally Posted by mark blazejewski View Post
    What if she is transgendered?

    That's what the dems have been concentrating on for the last 8 years

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    Quote Originally Posted by HipKat View Post
    If Hillary had won the electoral college, and Trump had won the popular vote, I bet the Dems wouldn't be saying a word about "the people spoke...." "won by 2%......", etc, etc
    of course the dems wouldn't, but let's be fair and admit there would be republicans that did instead
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    Pundit stated: "Why do these people concern you so? They don't seem to concern the President-Elect, who merely has to Tweet some insults at his critics to get all of his Brownshirt harassing and threatening, e.g., teenage women and union bosses who criticize the Dear Leader. Why, the harassment doesn't even need to come from Trump directly - his cyberbrownshirts are willing to act independently"

    Once again - Mr.Trump and the media just exposed this behavior. - Before the internet - it was only talked about.

    Dems have been doing this for years - on a more personal level. Anyone who has spoken out against their agenda - anyone that ran against them were vilified. You would be labelled, slandered, harassed, your life could be unjustly turned upside down. All in the name of the "Political Game" - so don't pretend these action/reactions are new or limited.

    Then ," Just admit you're happy the lying criminal bitch lost and be done with it. That's what you're really saying - that's what you really mean. Just be free to be as politically incorrect as you know you want to be"

    Personally, that's exactly how many - many people feel - I definitely do . But thanks for setting us free !
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    buffalopundit wrote:

    You're not in favor of the privatization of Medicare or Social Security, which means you are in favor of their continued government administration, which sort of makes them socialist policies. If that's what you mean about Obama, I guess you're right, after all. If you have different examples, you've declined to offer them despite the absolute ridiculousness of your claim.
    Specify, Mr. Attorney, positions on what? Numerous times I have posted that Trump was not my choice in the primary. But he won and because of his position of changing back an administration of Hope & Change policies that failed to address the needs of not only the working middles class but the taken for granted poor as well. There are more people on food stamps and more people in poverty today than when Obama took office – and less percent of work force to population than in decades.

    You could criticize his cabinet picks, many of whom have publicly come out in favor of weakening - if not abolishing - the departments they're being tapped to lead. I'm astonished that anyone would willingly and knowingly support a politician who says outrageous things that he knows he can't accomplish because of Constitutional restrictions. You could criticize the fact that his cabinet is made up almost exclusively of billionaires and generals, despite the fact that he's supposed to be riding some populist wave. You could criticize the fact that Trump hasn't answered questions from the press at any sort of press conference since July, content instead to lead his pitiful "yay me" rallies.
    Indeed I could. Not happy with some of the alligators he is refilling the swamp with. But Trump and none of his cabinet have enacted any policy.

    When the press craps all over him, he should worry about them? For how many months did Hillary go without a press conference?

    I have said repeatedly “anyone but Hillary.” – never in the terms you purport, but yes because of a scandalous history,her pathological lying, and her promise to double-down on failed Obama policies.

    You're exposing yourself as a fraud. You say things that aren't true, and when confronted with them, you say nothing. You whine about how pleased you are to not be called a xenophobe, but I ask whether you support a specific policy proposal that Trump has made, and you dummy up. Just admit you're happy the lying criminal bitch lost and be done with it. That's what you're really saying - that's what you really mean. Just be free to be as politically incorrect as you know you want to be.
    Fraud? How many times do I have to repeat to you the Trump policies I agree with:

    • A closed border – wall or no wall
    • Illegal aliens committing felonious crimes deported
    • An economy where all Americans prosper
    • A healing of the country where America’s best interests are served
    • A stronger military and a leader who really understands the ISIL threat and will react to keep our country safe

    So Alan, what are your thoughts on the aforementioned?
    Please provide examples of "social engineering" and what it is about "political correctness" that triggers you so. Thanks in advance
    Social engineering by one deluding people to believe they have been offered something for nothing (or next to nothing) for their personal gain – Obamacare, free tuition, free stuff, etc.

    Re political correctness: are you really serious in not thinking that many Americans were held back from expressing true feelings or opinions when they felt intimidated, that they would chastised and/or ostracized by the new norm of “you are with us or against us.” People were afraid to talk politics at parties and events for fear of being mocked because it went against the liberal grain. The promised ‘unifier’ became the ‘great divider’.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 4248 View Post
    Once again - Mr.Trump and the media just exposed this behavior. - Before the internet - it was only talked about.

    Dems have been doing this for years - on a more personal level. Anyone who has spoken out against their agenda - anyone that ran against them were vilified. You would be labelled, slandered, harassed, your life could be unjustly turned upside down. All in the name of the "Political Game" - so don't pretend these action/reactions are new or limited.
    To whom?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lee Chowaniec View Post
    Specify, Mr. Attorney, positions on what? Numerous times I have posted that Trump was not my choice in the primary. But he won and because of his position of changing back an administration of Hope & Change policies that failed to address the needs of not only the working middles class but the taken for granted poor as well.
    Unemployment dropped to 4.6 percent last month, the lowest level since President Bush in 2007, and a rebound to pre-Great Recession figures. The economy added 178,000 jobs, extending the longest streak of monthly job growth in history.

    Incomes are finally back on the rise for the first time in a while, and at a steep clip, and the rate of poverty is going down. The nation's poverty rate fell to 13.5% in 2015 from 14.8% the year earlier, the largest single-year percentage drop since 1968. For the first time in history, over 90% of Americans have some form of health insurance. Before Obama, it was about 84%.

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    There are more people on food stamps and more people in poverty today than when Obama took office – and less percent of work force to population than in decades.
    Boomers are aging out of the workforce, and there aren't as many Xers to replace them. The food stamps and poverty statistics are directly related to the fallout from the Great Recession, and Obama's policies have seen a rebound, despite Republican intransigence and unwillingness to help.

    Indeed I could. Not happy with some of the alligators he is refilling the swamp with. But Trump and none of his cabinet have enacted any policy.
    So, we'll just wait silently until it's too late.

    When the press craps all over him, he should worry about them? For how many months did Hillary go without a press conference?
    About three months. Trump hasn't held one since July. He doesn't believe he is accountable to anyone.

    I have said repeatedly “anyone but Hillary.” – never in the terms you purport, but yes because of a scandalous history,her pathological lying, and her promise to double-down on failed Obama policies.
    She's one of the most principled and honorable people ever to grace the political stage.

    Fraud? How many times do I have to repeat to you the Trump policies I agree with:

    • A closed border – wall or no wall
    • Illegal aliens committing felonious crimes deported
    • An economy where all Americans prosper
    • A healing of the country where America’s best interests are served
    • A stronger military and a leader who really understands the ISIL threat and will react to keep our country safe

    So Alan, what are your thoughts on the aforementioned?
    1. Our borders are already closed. Ever try to cross over from Mex to the US? It makes the busiest day to or from Canada seem like a drive to Pennsylvania by comparison.

    2. Illegal aliens do not commit crimes in any number disproportionate to that of any other group. This is just scaremongering.

    3. When you go blaming Obama for a slow recovery, compare the US to similarly situated liberal democracies and see that we're outperforming everyone. It's been tough since 2008 because it's also a period of economic post-industrial transition.

    4. I don't even know what this means. It's just empty jingoism.

    5. Again: what hasn't been done that you think needs to be done?

    Social engineering by one deluding people to believe they have been offered something for nothing (or next to nothing) for their personal gain – Obamacare, free tuition, free stuff, etc.
    So, you prefer the old system where the uninsured sought primary care at Emergency Rooms, which would rack up massive hospital bills that taxpayers would have to cover? What "free tuition"? What "free stuff"? You're just making things up.

    Re political correctness: are you really serious in not thinking that many Americans were held back from expressing true feelings or opinions when they felt intimidated, that they would chastised and/or ostracized by the new norm of “you are with us or against us.” People were afraid to talk politics at parties and events for fear of being mocked because it went against the liberal grain. The promised ‘unifier’ became the ‘great divider’.
    This is also fantasy.

    When a right-winger moans about "political correctness", 99% of the time, that can be translated as, "I wanted to say something horrible and offensive to someone, but I knew there'd be pushback if I did. I wish I could say these things with impunity." Because what most of you deride as "political correctness" is otherwise known as "politeness" or "common courtesy". That's simply too much for some people.
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    Quote Originally Posted by buffalopundit View Post
    Unemployment dropped to 4.6 percent last month, the lowest level since President Bush in 2007, and a rebound to pre-Great Recession figures. The economy added 178,000 jobs, extending the longest streak of monthly job growth in history.

    Incomes are finally back on the rise for the first time in a while, and at a steep clip, and the rate of poverty is going down. The nation's poverty rate fell to 13.5% in 2015 from 14.8% the year earlier, the largest single-year percentage drop since 1968. For the first time in history, over 90% of Americans have some form of health insurance. Before Obama, it was about 84%.





    Boomers are aging out of the workforce, and there aren't as many Xers to replace them. The food stamps and poverty statistics are directly related to the fallout from the Great Recession, and Obama's policies have seen a rebound, despite Republican intransigence and unwillingness to help.



    So, we'll just wait silently until it's too late.



    About three months. Trump hasn't held one since July. He doesn't believe he is accountable to anyone.



    She's one of the most principled and honorable people ever to grace the political stage.



    1. Our borders are already closed. Ever try to cross over from Mex to the US? It makes the busiest day to or from Canada seem like a drive to Pennsylvania by comparison.

    2. Illegal aliens do not commit crimes in any number disproportionate to that of any other group. This is just scaremongering.

    3. When you go blaming Obama for a slow recovery, compare the US to similarly situated liberal democracies and see that we're outperforming everyone. It's been tough since 2008 because it's also a period of economic post-industrial transition.

    4. I don't even know what this means. It's just empty jingoism.

    5. Again: what hasn't been done that you think needs to be done?



    So, you prefer the old system where the uninsured sought primary care at Emergency Rooms, which would rack up massive hospital bills that taxpayers would have to cover? What "free tuition"? What "free stuff"? You're just making things up.



    This is also fantasy.

    When a right-winger moans about "political correctness", 99% of the time, that can be translated as, "I wanted to say something horrible and offensive to someone, but I knew there'd be pushback if I did. I wish I could say these things with impunity." Because what most of you deride as "political correctness" is otherwise known as "politeness" or "common courtesy". That's simply too much for some people.
    I agree that people should be polite and courteous. I find a President referring to people as "biter, clinging to their guns and bibles," offensive. I also find a former Secretary of State who calls the opposition a "Basket of Deplorables" offensive. I find it offensive when certain people reduce the true injustice, suffering, and evil of racism by frivolously labeling those merely differing in political opinion as "racist." That form of public speak is unprincipled and smacks of political opportunism if not exploitation.

    But more than that, calling law enforcement "PIGS," and using that pejorative within the context of a disgusting chant "Pigs in a blanket, fry 'em like bacon" not only lacks courtesy and politeness, but is suggestive of violence.

    I agree that courtesy has its place. But it is the focus of not using the "proper" word of phrase of the day that drives me up the wall.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mark blazejewski View Post
    I agree that people should be polite and courteous. I find a President referring to people as "biter, clinging to their guns and bibles," offensive.
    This is a thing that happened literally 8 years ago. Here's the whole quote, within its context:

    You go into these small towns in Pennsylvania and, like a lot of small towns in the Midwest, the jobs have been gone now for 25 years and nothing's replaced them. And they fell through the Clinton administration, and the Bush administration, and each successive administration has said that somehow these communities are gonna regenerate and they have not.
    And it's not surprising then they get bitter, they cling to guns or religion or antipathy toward people who aren't like them or anti-immigrant sentiment or anti-trade sentiment as a way to explain their frustrations.


    Given Trump's recent campaign and win, I'm wondering if you can explain to me exactly what was inaccurate about that passage?

    I also find a former Secretary of State who calls the opposition a "Basket of Deplorables" offensive.
    Yeah, which she apologized for almost immediately. Donald Trump has said a lot worse about a lot more people, yet has failed to apologize for anything.

    I find it offensive when certain people reduce the true injustice, suffering, and evil of racism by frivolously labeling those merely differing in political opinion as "racist." That form of public speak is unprincipled and smacks of political opportunism if not exploitation.
    But you don't have a problem when racism is called out, right? Just whatever it is that you subjectively decide is not racism, based on your opinion?

    But more than that, calling law enforcement "PIGS," and using that pejorative within the context of a disgusting chant "Pigs in a blanket, fry 'em like bacon" not only lacks courtesy and politeness, but is suggestive of violence.
    Yes, sometimes demonstrators say ugly things. Like "lock her up" or post things like this:

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    Quote Originally Posted by buffalopundit View Post
    This is a thing that happened literally 8 years ago. Here's the whole quote, within its context:

    You go into these small towns in Pennsylvania and, like a lot of small towns in the Midwest, the jobs have been gone now for 25 years and nothing's replaced them. And they fell through the Clinton administration, and the Bush administration, and each successive administration has said that somehow these communities are gonna regenerate and they have not.
    And it's not surprising then they get bitter, they cling to guns or religion or antipathy toward people who aren't like them or anti-immigrant sentiment or anti-trade sentiment as a way to explain their frustrations.


    Given Trump's recent campaign and win, I'm wondering if you can explain to me exactly what was inaccurate about that passage?



    Yeah, which she apologized for almost immediately. Donald Trump has said a lot worse about a lot more people, yet has failed to apologize for anything.



    But you don't have a problem when racism is called out, right? Just whatever it is that you subjectively decide is not racism, based on your opinion?



    Yes, sometimes demonstrators say ugly things. Like "lock her up" or post things like this:



    Or this:

    Thank you for your reply. You raise valid points and I am addressing them accordingly. Taking each in turn:

    (1) You expressed the need for "politeness" and "courtesy." I agreed with you. Regarding what I viewed as Obama's "offensive" language and your challenge to my view, I would be just as offended about a generalized characterization, by any political candidate, about any group, based on venue, culture, economics, race, ethnicity and the like. Then-Senator Obama's comments not only generalized about the people in small Pennsylvania and mid-western towns, but SUGGESTED that their value system, based on their right to own a fire arm and their right to practice their faith, ran contrary to what he apparently views as responsible behavior. To anyone with common sense, responsible behavior does not rise from the world of "bitterness---" his "insightful" characterization, not mine.

    To conclude, there is nothing inaccurate about the quote you provide. It speaks for itself. I remain offended.



    (2) I have heard Trump apologize for some of the more bizarre things that he said. He apologized to Ms. Fiorina, he later called Ted Cruz a very able person, and the ******* comment about women, he apologized directly for that chestnut. If your asking me to defend the P***y remark, don't hold your breath. I'll take a page from Vice President Pence: "I can't defend those words."

    (3) I do not like racism, or racist remarks. If you are going to focus on Trump's remarks about Hispanics please, focus on those remarks within the meaning of what he was referring to: "I-L-L-E-G-A-L immigration, and I-L-L-E-G-A-L immigrants." If you are going to talk about the Muslim community, I do not find it objectionable to properly background the refugees. I'm sure you disagree, but convey that disagreement to the families of the victims of Orlando, San Bernadino, and the Boston Marathon.

    You seem to believe that I view racism subjectively and/or call it out selectively. Bear in mind, I write under my real name, and that type of reckless labeling is not only destructive to thoughtful political discourse, but tends to publicly frame my reputation in an entirely disgusting and FALSE way. However, your irresponsibility does serve to support my specific point:

    Of course ALL racism should be called out. I never held to the contrary. What I said, (and please, no slick, theatrical courtroom "do you still beat your wife?" word games here counsel), is that the chronic, exploitative, unsupported, and seemingly automatic linkage of any criticism of President Obama's policies to bigotry and racism, diminishes the race issue. A legitimate policy dispute does not rise to the evils of segregation, lynching, and Jim Crow. It would be akin to someone frivolously labeling someone a "Nazi" for some bull**** transgression, and they made that remark in front of a Holocaust survivor or a disabled WWII vet. Get the picture?" The label of "Nazi" would seem inappropriate in that it diminishes the scale and scope of the suffering and evil of Dachau.

    Best to follow the example of a bygone day. John Kennedy, under intense criticism, accepted responsibility for the Bay of Pigs, but, Ted Sorensen, Dave Powers and Kenny O'Donnell did not cry anti-Catholic bigotry. That is the difference between the men and the boys; the great and the opportunistic.

    Regarding "Lock Her Up," do you remember Watergate? "Jail To The Chief!" Do you remember election 2000? "Your Fraudulence!" My petty political comment aside, a constant drum beat of mobs threatening to kill law enforcement is very, very, unsettling. I do not know who you depend on for your family's safety, I depend on law enforcement. Sorry, no apologies here.
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    buffalopundit wrote:

    1. Our borders are already closed. Ever try to cross over from Mex to the US? It makes the busiest day to or from Canada seem like a drive to Pennsylvania by comparison.
    An asinine answer especially for an attorney.

    2. Illegal aliens do not commit crimes in any number disproportionate to that of any other group. This is just scaremongering.

    An equally asinine answer for an attorney when stats prove otherwise.

    3. When you go blaming Obama for a slow recovery, compare the US to similarly situated liberal democracies and see that we're outperforming everyone. It's been tough since 2008 because it's also a period of economic post-industrial transition.
    And Obama’s goal is to drag us down to those other liberal country democracy policies and performances.

    4. I don't even know what this means. It's just empty jingoism.
    Nor do I know what you are referring to.

    5. Again: what hasn't been done that you think needs to be done?
    It has already been done, an electorate that did not want four more years of Obama’s failed policies did not vote for a Clinton candidacy that advocated doubling down on those policies.

    Social engineering by one deluding people to believe they have been offered something for nothing (or next to nothing) for their personal gain – Obamacare, free tuition, free stuff, etc.

    So, you prefer the old system where the uninsured sought primary care at Emergency Rooms, which would rack up massive hospital bills that taxpayers would have to cover? What "free tuition"? What "free stuff"? You're just making things up.
    You are either in denial or delusional! In fact, the plan was 'cradle to grave' federal government care.

    Chowaniec: Re political correctness: are you really serious in not thinking that many Americans were held back from expressing true feelings or opinions when they felt intimidated, that they would chastised and/or ostracized by the new norm of “you are with us or against us.” People were afraid to talk politics at parties and events for fear of being mocked because it went against the liberal grain. The promised ‘unifier’ became the ‘great divider’.

    BP answer: This is also fantasy.
    Really? LMAO!

    She's (Hillary) one of the most principled and honorable people ever to grace the political stage.
    Case closed if you really believe that! You have your head up her ass so far that your judgment has been impaired.

    When a right-winger moans about "political correctness", 99% of the time, that can be translated as, "I wanted to say something horrible and offensive to someone, but I knew there'd be pushback if I did. I wish I could say these things with impunity." Because what most of you deride as "political correctness" is otherwise known as "politeness" or "common courtesy". That's simply too much for some people.
    Or, that’s today’s world of the pampered pooches, the entitled, the need of a safe place or a therapy puppy should anyone push back and say anything that they consider offensive; should that deplorable person offer an opinion that challenges the almighty liberal principal of ‘everyone gets a trophy’ generation and where they live in bubble where only their opinion is deserving of consideration and all else is political incorrectness.

    Trump won. The case is closed. All that you’re grossing on as to what is going to take place in the future is mere speculation.

    BTW – I found this New York Times Maureen Dowd op-ed expresses my position viewpoint very well:

    http://www.nytimes.com/2016/11/26/op...bles.html?_r=0

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    The thing I find most interesting is Pundit is a product of the system he so strongly defends/protects.

    I have no doubt he has been graced with all the tax subsidized goodies many immigrants and refugees hope to attain in his time here in America.

    For that reason there is or never will be any way to budge his beliefs or propaganda.

    He has been brain washed to believe Democrat = Democracy .
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