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    Quote Originally Posted by Save Us View Post
    Disgusting

    Islam.........

    Where is the woman's movement when you need them? .....strangely silent.
    You don't see Hillary and her local support group saying anything about her "donations" from middle eastern countries who treat women like trash.

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    Quote Originally Posted by WNYresident View Post
    You don't see Hillary and her local support group saying anything about her "donations" from middle eastern countries who treat women like trash.
    Nope...nor the treatment of the LGBT community.

    I am saddened that Ron Paul is not a contender.

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    It's really quite amusing to see what's going on in Brussels after the UK decided to leave the EU.

    On one side you have worthless bureaucrats saying drop the hammer on the UK. On the other side you have Merkel saying let's try to play nice here and remain friends. Why the split? Well the Brussels bureaucrats don't really have a responsibility to anyone..which was one of the biggest issues. Merkel and Germany on the other hand...well they know the truth.

    The UK is going to be fine.

    The EU is going to strike a trade deal with the UK because they need that economy. It's the 3rd biggest buyer for Germany and returns some of the highest margins...unlike China which runs at a deficit.

    The EU is going to play nice with the UK because they need the UK military. Without it, the EU is weak and it's not like we're in an era of pure peace.

    The EU is going to form a partnership of sorts with the UK because the US is still going to be close friends with the UK and the US wants to make sure they can continue to have parties and not worry about the guest list.


    The UK is going to do better than fine....

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    I think they'll be OK and survive this, but they are going to lose a chunk of their international influence which will take some time to adjust to. The EU will still need to treat them as an ally and important trading partner, but at the same time, they need to send a message to other countries that they can't just leave the EU without negative results. If they don't have some sort of punishment for the UK, then it will open the door for others to leave. After all, why stay in the bloc if they can enjoy the same benefits outside the bloc. The UK may also suffer local consequences with London losing it's financial status and Scotland leaving the UK. Both would be a serious aftermath. England will survive, but it won't be the same power it is today. Also I think their locals are going to be seriously pissed when some of the Brexit promises turn out to be exaggerated or made up.

    This is assuming they actually do leave the EU, which there seems to be a debate about as well...

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    Quote Originally Posted by 300miles View Post
    The EU will still need to treat them as an ally and important trading partner, but at the same time, they need to send a message to other countries that they can't just leave the EU without negative results. If they don't have some sort of punishment for the UK, then it will open the door for others to leave.
    What negative results? The negative results only happen if you allow them to happen.

    The first question I would ask is "what were the positive results to begin with?" I was listening to a reporter on the BBC last night. You know what he said? They are having an issue with immigration. People are coming into Britain and many qualify for "free" health care including some of the welfare that is available. Including education that is offered in general. He said the people currently working are the ones that pay for it and it's costly. Think about that. How is that positive?

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    I realize this may come as a shock to Trump supporters, but there ARE other important issues besides immigration.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 300miles View Post
    I think they'll be OK and survive this, but they are going to lose a chunk of their international influence which will take some time to adjust to. The EU will still need to treat them as an ally and important trading partner, but at the same time, they need to send a message to other countries that they can't just leave the EU without negative results. If they don't have some sort of punishment for the UK, then it will open the door for others to leave. After all, why stay in the bloc if they can enjoy the same benefits outside the bloc.
    Not sure how you think England would lose international influence. Would love to read you unpack that a bit.

    I think there is a difference to losing benefits v. forced pain. If the EU can't show that simply it's better inside than out...maybe the EU should rework itself rather than trying to intimidate nations who may want to leave.

    Quote Originally Posted by 300miles View Post
    The UK may also suffer local consequences with London losing it's financial status and Scotland leaving the UK. Both would be a serious aftermath. England will survive, but it won't be the same power it is today.
    The financial status of London is going to take a hit but London is not the only local market. Maybe less reliance on international banks will better in the long run.

    As for Scotland and Northern Ireland...they need to vote on which big brother they want....

    Quote Originally Posted by 300miles View Post
    Also I think their locals are going to be seriously pissed when some of the Brexit promises turn out to be exaggerated or made up.
    Well that depends. It's not like the EU doesn't have issues. So you need to consider the current refugee issues that exist and their trajectory...it's very possible that leaving is going to look better by the day. It's not like the UK can't have an open or welcoming immigration policy. They can do whatever they want. They could create citizenship status for anyone who is already there or who would want to go there that causes almost no pain. But they can do this without millions of refugees.


    Quote Originally Posted by 300miles View Post
    This is assuming they actually do leave the EU, which there seems to be a debate about as well...
    This is when I grab my popcorn.

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    well the UK won't have to help finance bailouts of the other EU countries anymore, like the Portugal and Greece bailouts
    Vote for freedom, not political parties.
    Politicians need to cut spending

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    BBC calls immigration "the DEFINING reason" for Leave voters, in this article citing 8 reasons Leave won. Here's number 3

    EU Referendum

    Eight reasons Leave won the UK's referendum on the EU
    24 June 2016

    3. Farage makes immigration the defining issue

    If they didn't quite bet the farm on the issue of immigration, Leave played what they knew was their trump card often and they played it successfully.
    The issue fed into wider questions of national and cultural identity, which suited Leave's message - particularly to lower income voters.

    The result suggested that concerns about levels of migration into the UK over the past 10 years, their impact on society, and what might happen in the next 20 years were more widely felt and ran even deeper than people had suspected.

    Just as crucially, it suggested Leave's central argument that the UK cannot control the number of people coming into the country while remaining in the EU really hit home.

    Turkey was a key weapon in Leave's armoury and, although claims that the UK would not be able to stop it entering the EU were firmly denied, there was enough uncertainty about this - a fact that the ongoing migrant crisis in Europe unquestionably fed into.

    The language and imagery used by the Leave campaign came in for criticism and there were recurring tensions between the Conservative dominated official Leave movement, Nigel Farage's UKIP roadshow and the separate Leave.EU group.

    But their various messages resonated and segued with their central proposition that a vote to leave was a once in a generation chance to take control and assert national sovereignty.


    Read all 8 reasons here...
    http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-...endum-36574526
    Last edited by buffy; June 28th, 2016 at 06:14 PM.

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    Yet the Leave camp has since slunk away from many of their positions, including the promise of reduced immigration. Much of the vote was based on false premises.

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    That didn't take long

    David Cameron urges EU to reform freedom of movement rules to maintain Britain's economic ties with Europe

    Peter Dominiczak, political editor Matthew Holehouse, brussels
    29 JUNE 2016 • 1:54AM

    David Cameron has told the EU it must reform freedom of movement rules if Britain is to maintain close economic ties with the continent in the wake of the referendum.

    In his final meeting with EU leaders before standing down as Prime Minister, Mr Cameron claimed that British voters backed a Brexit because people believe the country has “no control” of its borders.

    Setting out the basis for a future British deal with the EU, he said Britain would only be able to maintain access to the single market if the bloc agreed to look again at its policy of open borders.

    Read more here...
    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/06/28/david-cameron-has-told-the-eu-it-must-reform-freedom-of-movement/
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    Swedish music festivals hit by reports of rapes by 'migrants'
    4 JULY 2016 • 9:11PM
    Police in Sweden are investigating five reported rapes and nearly forty instances of groping at two music festivals over the weekend.

    “Foreign young men“ were blamed by police for the attacks at one of the festivals and at least two unaccompanied migrant youths were under arrest.

    Police recorded five reports of rapes and 12 of sexual molestation at Bravalla, Sweden's biggest music festival, and 35 reports of sexual molestation at Putte i Parken, a free festival in Karlstad, where the youngest victim was just twelve years old.

    Two of the seven young men suspected of mounting a campaign of aggressive groping at the second festival were unaccompanied refugee youth, reportedly living at a nearby accommodation centre.

    Police are looking for a man who speaks “flawless Swedish” in connection with one of the five rapes at the first festival.

    “The descriptions [of perpetrators] are diverse, with the one common denominator being that these are all young men,” police at the first festival reported on Sunday night.

    The fresh reports of sex attacks involving young asylum seekers at Swedish music festivals triggered an angry response from activists, politicians and performers.

    Pop singer Zara Larsson, known in the UK for her hit single with the rapper Tinie Tempa, said the perpetrators of the attack at Bravalla, where she performed, “deserved to burn in hell”.

    “Damn you people who shamelessly rape a girl in public,” she wrote on Twitter. “Damn you guys who make girls to feel unsafe when they go to the festival. I hate guys. Hate hate hate.”

    The country pop singer Pernilla Andersson, who performed at Putte i Parken, called for the authorities to “fight hard” against those responsible.

    “For an artist to go up on stage thinking that there might be a girl out there being molested or raped during the concert is just totally crazy,” she wrote in the Expressen newspaper on Monday.

    An anonymous 15-year-old girl told Expressen newspaper that no fewer than five of her six friends had been sexually molested by “foreign youths” during the Karlstad event.

    A man had come up behind her and started grinding against her, she said. A young man had groped one of her friends through her jeans.

    Alexandra Larsson, 17, told MailOnline that she had not seen exactly who had assaulted her at Putte i Parken.

    She stressed, however, that that the group of 18-19 year old boys standing behind her were “not from a Swedish background”.

    “They were probably immigrants. I hate to say it. But it is the truth,” she said.

    In January the Swedish police and media were accused of covering up a spate of sexual offences involving young migrants at We Are Sthlm, a free summer youth festival in Stockholm.

    The scandal broke after the New Year’s Eve sexual assaults in Cologne, Germany.

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016...s-by-migrants/

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    Quote Originally Posted by 300miles View Post
    I realize this may come as a shock to Trump supporters, but there ARE other important issues besides immigration.
    That was a major issue for the pro Brexit folks. The economy was another. It would appear that those are important issues to a lot of people. Then again we could always focus on what Megan Kelly digs up. Trade deficits? National debt? Unsustainable entitlements ?porous borders? No, what I really want to know is what Trump said about Lionel Ritchie or Nancy Pelosi..

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