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    FBI mislead Sharif Ward

    They were told they had safe passage to the meeting - the FBI had other plans.

    "On Tuesday night, militia leaders left the wildlife refuge to attend a meeting in another town. Their convoy was heading into a trap. Federal agents and state police had set up road blocks and spike strips along the militants’ route. They were being watched from above by an FBI plane" Ward was lied to by the FBI.

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    There is nothing in that article that reported that they had any type of guarantee of safe passage to that meeting or that Sheriff Ward was lied to.
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    Until the night of the "Ambush" they had traveled out of the reserve unhindered - multiple times and even went into the Town and other meetings. All drew little media attention and were ignored.. The media doesn't mention that too often.

    Sheriff Ward also believed they were coming to the meeting - the FBI didn't tell him of their plan to ambush them. So your saying, "Because they(FBI) did not inform him(Sheriff) of the ambush - they didn't lie to him" - Political/Lawyer speak !



    "On Jan. 7, Dave Ward met with Bundy at a desolate intersection, barren except for sagebrush and sky. In the meeting, which was videotaped, the sheriff offers Bundy and his clan safe passage from the refuge if they will surrender"

    "At one point during a recent six hour meeting with chief protester Ammon Bundy and his guards in the sheriff’s personal office, Ward never asked that they remove the guns they carried"

    On the 26th - "On Tuesday night, militia leaders left the wildlife refuge to attend a meeting in another town" as they had in the past weeks.

    As stated many times - most Americans disagree with a armed occupation - but some wanted it to end with them being shot.

    There was no reason to kill Lavoy and the agents shot first.

    If the agents hadn't fired first, he would have had no reason to reach for his pocket. That is fact.
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    Quote Originally Posted by 4248 View Post

    There was no reason to kill Lavoy and the agents shot first.

    If the agents hadn't fired first, he would have had no reason to reach for his pocket. That is fact.
    LaVoy was not reaching for his waistband, or pocket, as some think. What you saw was a Limbic response to a injury. The Limbic response is "hardwired" into us, and cannot be consciously controlled. This response goes back to when our ancestors still lived in trees, and feared the fangs and claws of predators.

    The first reaction to a injury during a threatening situation, is you shield the injured body part with your hands. The agent in front of LaVoy shot him, and Lavoy's hands immediately go to the wound.

    The second reaction is then turning the injured part of the body away from the perceived "threat" to further protect it. The agent in front of LaVoy had shot him, so LaVoy turns to the left to protect his injury from the agent. Which probably indicates the wound is in his left-side. He then discovers the agent behind him, who shoots LaVoy again, and he then falls to the ground.

    Another example of the Limbic response is the well-known Freeze, Fight, or Flight condition. Though most people normally only hear about Fight or Flight, Freezing is the 3rd condition. The Limbic response is also why we have shootings that result in hits to the subject's back, when the shooter insists that the attacker was facing them when they shot multiple times in defense. The body automatically turns away from whatever is causing it injury.

    In case you have doubts about the Limbic response, I have studied a number of Martial Blade Systems. In those knife-fighting systems, the Limbic response is one of the human conditions we seek to take advantage of, especially in a blade-on-blade encounter.

    As for Sheriff Ward being lied to by the FBI, I don't believe that clears him of any responsibility. I've heard that Ward, like the local judge, had family ties within the BLM. So it was not in their own self-interest for the BLM to lose power in the area, regardless of the fact the federal government was holding that land in violation of Article 1, Section 8 of the Constitution. Which is one of the main reasons why the protest was happening in the first place.
    As Sheriff, Ward was the highest law enforcement officer on site. It was up to him to regulate FBI activity within his county. Instead, he chose not to, and allowed the FBI free rein. If he was a "patsy" for the FBI, it was because he freely chose to ignore his Oath of Office and let the FBI make him so.

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    Good grief......





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    Exclamation The video creates the wanted perception - the truth will be shaped and molded.

    Bravo - I believe you have solid valid points. That is why there is no sound track, film or sound track from personal cams or other vehicle cams or time frame of the shots being released. They released the video that solidifies their position.

    Most people wanted an example made - so now they will massage their minds by saying, "He asked for it - he wanted to die" -

    There was no reason to murder him - he was shot after the Bundy son was - shots were fired when he was moving away from the truck with his hands up.

    Like Wacco - it will be years before we hear the true chain of events.


    Quote Originally Posted by Chant View Post
    LaVoy was not reaching for his waistband, or pocket, as some think. What you saw was a Limbic response to a injury. The Limbic response is "hardwired" into us, and cannot be consciously controlled. This response goes back to when our ancestors still lived in trees, and feared the fangs and claws of predators.

    The first reaction to a injury during a threatening situation, is you shield the injured body part with your hands. The agent in front of LaVoy shot him, and Lavoy's hands immediately go to the wound.

    The second reaction is then turning the injured part of the body away from the perceived "threat" to further protect it. The agent in front of LaVoy had shot him, so LaVoy turns to the left to protect his injury from the agent. Which probably indicates the wound is in his left-side. He then discovers the agent behind him, who shoots LaVoy again, and he then falls to the ground.

    Another example of the Limbic response is the well-known Freeze, Fight, or Flight condition. Though most people normally only hear about Fight or Flight, Freezing is the 3rd condition. The Limbic response is also why we have shootings that result in hits to the subject's back, when the shooter insists that the attacker was facing them when they shot multiple times in defense. The body automatically turns away from whatever is causing it injury.

    In case you have doubts about the Limbic response, I have studied a number of Martial Blade Systems. In those knife-fighting systems, the Limbic response is one of the human conditions we seek to take advantage of, especially in a blade-on-blade encounter.

    As for Sheriff Ward being lied to by the FBI, I don't believe that clears him of any responsibility. I've heard that Ward, like the local judge, had family ties within the BLM. So it was not in their own self-interest for the BLM to lose power in the area, regardless of the fact the federal government was holding that land in violation of Article 1, Section 8 of the Constitution. Which is one of the main reasons why the protest was happening in the first place.
    As Sheriff, Ward was the highest law enforcement officer on site. It was up to him to regulate FBI activity within his county. Instead, he chose not to, and allowed the FBI free rein. If he was a "patsy" for the FBI, it was because he freely chose to ignore his Oath of Office and let the FBI make him so.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BorderBob View Post
    Good grief......





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    Use the foil for sun glass's - you wont see any less than your brain wash minds see's now.
    Open your eyes - America has.

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    It depends on who's eyes you see this through

    "But overall, things had been relatively calm. Armed protesters were freely coming and going from the refuge. A troupe of singing children from Kansas had recently stopped by to give a small concert"

    "As a two-vehicle convoy drove toward the town of John Day, an aircraft silently filmed from overhead"

    "On Tuesday, protest leaders, including brothers Ammon and Ryan Bundy, decided to head to a community meeting in John Day in neighboring Grant County"

    "But there’s only one convenient way to get to John Day from the refuge: U.S. Highway 395, a two-lane blacktop that winds into the forested Blue Mountains, where visibility drops dramatically, and where there’s no one around.

    Which meant it was the perfect place to spring a trap"

    "The FBI and the Oregon State Police’s moment had come, and their troopers and special agents sped into action."

    "Finicum braked, veering off the road to the left — around a spike strip, officials said — and nearly hitting an FBI agent who had darted away from the roadblock. The truck came to a stop in a deep snowbank.

    The soundless video taken from a surveillance aircraft shows Finicum springing out with his hands in the air seconds later"

    He was then gunned down. It will be years - if ever before the true facts will be known:
    Who fired first is clear - Law enforcement did?
    How many shots were fired in total by all agents combined?
    Was Lavoy grabbing for where he was shot - or was he reaching for a gun?

    Many Americans believe he was reaching for where he was shot. Of course the media and law enforcement would have us believe they didn't fire until he reached for his gun. This may never be settled because we probably will never hear any sound track or see any other video unless it supports law enforcement/media !

    We do know he wasn't showing or holding a weapon - he didn't attack anyone or threaten to hurt anyone. There will be many excuses for shooting him down - many will say its justify - merely because he "Didn't Obey lawful commands" - how often have we heard that same excuse in America? How often do we see video of people being gunned down because, "He didn't Obey lawful commands or I thought i was being threatened" - well this time all he had to do was be standing with his hands up.

    Many will sight past pictures and video and their take over of the sanctuary. So once again media and such has shaped this into a situation where bystanders and media can justify this ambush and murder.

    No one condones taking over the sanctuary by armed force. But no one was threatened , hurt or actually feared for their lives accept the protesters.

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    This is a personal observation - not meant to be the ultimate judgement.

    Law enforcement agents were put in a ruff spot by their Government. They acted as they felt the law demanded.

    The protesters did what they believed was needed to bring National attention to their plight and that of many American ranchers.
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    I guess personal responsibility goes out the window when it is convenient for some people.

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    Cool Broaden your view - look beyond one group of cowboys who are actually standing up

    Read the labels on the beef you eat - read the labels on the vegetables you eat - what foreign country do they come from ?

    Wake up folks - the Governor of Texas is trying to get the BLM out of Texas
    - Nevada is doing the same thing.

    The BLM and our Government is running out ranchers saying they are protecting the wildlife and such. Well , google solar power in Nevada
    - Oregon
    - California.

    Google the map of Nevada and the California boarder - you'll see thousands of acres of land being turned into solar farms by foreign companies. - Google it.

    Foreign companies have applied for and have been approved mineral and mining permits in the same areas as these ranches. Our government is selling our mineral rights to foreign countries.

    China is buying up our oil fields in Texas - as our American companies fail - China scoops in and buys the land and shelf's the equipment.
    Google it - educate your self.

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    There should be a full independent investigation into the shooting of this man.

    How would America then feel if its proven he was actually reaching for where he had been shot - not going for a gun.

    There is no dispute that Lavoy and company did wrong in taking over the refuge. But they threatened no one - they never pulled or pointed a fire arm at anyone. They never hurt anyone - they took a stand to bring national attention to beef ranchers all over America being pushed out of business.

    "personal responsibility " - they took personal responsibility for their actions - they became live fire targets for what they believed. They stood up like men/women - something 99% of America would never do. R.I.P.
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