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    Hold On! The Native Americans Are Coming. Full Steam Ahead! Buffalo Watch out!

    Has anyone seen the Buffalo News paper evening edition today with the story about the proposed Seneca Casino in downtown Buffalo????

    Interesting how I thought of the user name Boost Buffalo after reading it…

    Here is a link to the online story at the Buffalo News Web Site:

    http://buffalonews.com/editorial/200...sp?PFVer=Story


    My take on this is simple. The deal is done. It should not have happened. All of a sudden the political machine goes into overdrive squealing like pigs after the fact. This thing should have been question and possibly stopped before hand. Not now! Let it happen.

    Has far as taking more land. I think certain measure should be imposed if it is possible. How neat they wanted to take of the HSBC arena!! LOL that was a good one!
    The Senecas can well afford a legal staff second to none now That dang Wheel of fortune slot machine! Never could win on it.

    DTWarren good luck in your fruitless efforts to try and stop them. You will need it.


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    It's not a done deal. The lawsuits have a chance. And even if the lawsuits fail, the city is holding some cards right now.

    The senecas are slow to realize two things:

    that despite their exclusive secretive agreements with albany, they suddenly need the city to assist them to get it done right.

    secondly that, since their main customer is buffalo, they are shooting themselves in the foot by pissing residents off. If they keep pushing and making threats, city hall will get more and more calls to cut these guys off and not spend a dime on improvements. Is that the kind of battle they're looking for? Something that will hurt their business?

    we'll see what happens I guess...

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    Quote Originally Posted by 300miles
    It's not a done deal. The lawsuits have a chance. And even if the lawsuits fail, the city is holding some cards right now.
    Yes but they have nine acres of land... They could be vindictive
    and put up all kinds of shops. With gas prices hoverying around three dollars people will fill up at the Seneca gas pumps and buy the cigarettes there.
    Snyder is shrewd I give him credit in that aspect.

    Buffalo cannot take back that land. It will be like trying to take over China.

    The senecas are slow to realize two things:

    that despite their exclusive secretive agreements with albany, they suddenly need the city to assist them to get it done right.

    It will be an interesting summer watching the shoot out of words.


    secondly that, since their main customer is buffalo, they are shooting themselves in the foot by pissing residents off. If they keep pushing and making threats, city hall will get more and more calls to cut these guys off and not spend a dime on improvements. Is that the kind of battle they're looking for? Something that will hurt their business?

    we'll see what happens I guess...
    Yes we will... It will keep DTWarren busy too..... Oh sorry DT just pulling your leg a little.. At least someone is putting some firewood under the pot.

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    I don't know all of the details- but isn't part of the lawsuit saying that Gale Norton & Co. didn't study the impacts of the casino before they took those nine acres and made it sovereign territory??? If thats the case, and the lawsuit is successful, wouldn't those nine acres revert back to 'American land'???

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    Quote Originally Posted by concernedwnyer
    Yes but they have nine acres of land... They could be vindictive


    Buffalo cannot take back that land. It will be like trying to take over China.


    Now the Senecas are the same as China?

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    Quote Originally Posted by concernedwnyer
    Yes but they have nine acres of land... They could be vindictive
    and put up all kinds of shops. With gas prices hoverying around three dollars people will fill up at the Seneca gas pumps and buy the cigarettes there.
    I'm not sure if they could do that. If they don't build a casino to fulfil the original pact with NY, then the land is not Sovereign indian territory. So yes they still own it, but must abide by regular NYS rule and law, like collecting taxes, no smoking, following construction regulations, preservation laws, and zoning laws.

    Without a casino, they are no worse than another Paladino holding onto property.... bad, but something we can deal with.

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    I might get upset over these "revelations" from the SNOOZE if this "expose" wasn't a rehash of the same old fear-mongering the SNOOZE did a year or two ago.

    I might also get upset if I felt that the SNOOZE truly opposed casino gambling in Buffalo, but I doubt that that's the case because it's little more that a mouthpiece for Buffalo's so-called "business leaders". The SNOOZE opposes the casino because the Senecas aren't "one of the good ol' boys" who forms Buffalo's "business leaders"; they can't be manipulated, intimidated, or forced to share their enterprise with the rest of the club. They also aren't "our kind" of outsiders -- like the Bass Pro folks -- who are willing to "go along to get along" with the "good ol' boys".

    Actually, I would like to see Sam Hoyt get his wish -- and the Senecas build their casino and resort on their reservation down in Irving!!! What a economic plus that would be for Silver Creek, Angola, Gowanda, etc!!!!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Linda_D

    Actually, I would like to see Sam Hoyt get his wish -- and the Senecas build their casino and resort on their reservation down in Irving!!! What a economic plus that would be for Silver Creek, Angola, Gowanda, etc!!!!
    Linda, you're a constant self-contradicting, broken spinster. You've really developed this too....I cant help but notice.

    so you support the Casino as long as its not for Buffalo.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Boost Buffalo
    Linda, you're a constant self-contradicting, broken spinster. You've really developed this too....I cant help but notice.

    so you support the Casino as long as its not for Buffalo.


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    No, I've always supported a casino in Buffalo. The Central Terminal or some place closer to the Mainline Thruway would be better, but that's neither here nor there.

    I suggest you re-read my post. Let me spell it out for you, Boostie. I think the SNOOZE's opposition to the Seneca casino is hypocritical. The SNOOZE -- and Hoyt and many other casino opponents -- oppose the casino because it's a Seneca casino, because the Senecas won't jump through the right hoops for Buffalo's "powers that be" -- because they don't have to do so. The casino opponents are being the ultimate obstructionists in hopes of delaying the construction of the Seneca casino until the deadline runs out, and then somehow getting a non-Indian casino into Buffalo -- a casino run by the "right" people (ie, the same folks who have run Buffalo for their own profit for 100+ years).
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    Quote Originally Posted by Linda_D
    No, I've always supported a casino in Buffalo. ).
    is that right, Linda? Its just downtown Buffalo you despise? I stand corrected then, I thought you just hated all of Buffalo.

    How do you like our mayor? would you have voted him in?

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    I would not consider Golisano part of the Old Boys club of Buffalo. I believe they even shunned him to some extent.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Linda_D
    The casino opponents are being the ultimate obstructionists in hopes of delaying the construction of the Seneca casino until the deadline runs out, and then somehow getting a non-Indian casino into Buffalo -- a casino run by the "right" people (ie, the same folks who have run Buffalo for their own profit for 100+ years).
    You almost have this right! Except it's not about getting the "right" people to run it... it's about getting a better deal for buffalo.

    Most of the shared slot money is going to ALBANY. How does that help us? It doesn't. Buffalo is getting table-scraps out of this deal, and the indians actually expect the city to fork over $6million for infrastructure??

    If Buffalo is getting 25% ($5 million) of Albany's expected cut, then the full cut is expected to by $20million per year... now maybe if Buffalo got the full 20 million it would be a little better. But Albany will never give up it's crack money.

    The "right" casino would be a private casino run by private american investors that pay for the whole thing themselves, and have to pay taxes, ban smoking, and generally play by the rules that all the other businesses in Buffalo have to play by.

    Forget this "Sovereign" crap. If the Senecas want to be viewed as WNY'ers then they should start being WNY'ers.

    If they play hardball and don't help the city make this whole thing a win-win... then I'm all for the idea of putting $10 toll-booths around the casino. That's how it's done for Sovereign borders everywhere else!

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    Anyone else start chuckling everytime you read "Boostie" in a post?

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