All this ferguson talk

[steven]

All this ferguson talk and I haven't heard one person say what I was thinking. This kid was obviously, at least from what I have read, missing a few screws.

Isnt it time we stopped pretending the mentally impaired should be walking around unsupervised?

[Save Us]

All this ferguson talk and I haven't heard one person say what I was thinking. This kid was obviously, at least from what I have read, missing a few screws.

Isnt it time we stopped pretending the mentally impaired should be walking around unsupervised?

I already said it....

You missed my Darwin post on the other thread.

[steven]

they got into this phase in the late 80's I think it was, called the asylum "cruel" and let these people roam the streets.

I don't mean to be harsh but this is one of the zillions of instances of the direct consequences of being "kind" over smart.

[WNYresident]

What article was it mentioned that the man had mental issues?

[4248]

Coming from you - I take it as a compliment - Thanks for being you!

[leftWNYbecauseofBS]

All this ferguson talk and I haven't heard one person say what I was thinking. This kid was obviously, at least from what I have read, missing a few screws.

Isnt it time we stopped pretending the mentally impaired should be walking around unsupervised?

Are you saying he is legally handicapped or mentally slow or are you just saying he's not the brightest guy? Essentially nature v. nurture.

[steven]

IDK what the legal definition is.

Its pretty obvious, at least to me, that the guy was a couple cans short of a six pack though.

[leftWNYbecauseofBS]

IDK what the legal definition is.

My understanding is it's done off IQ. Seeing as since he just graduated HS and was supposedly set to enroll in JUCO..I don't think that's the case.

Its pretty obvious, at least to me, that the guy was a couple cans short of a six pack though.

What are you basing this off? Because he acted like a thug? FWIW, Jay-Z (Shawn Corey Carter) was a crack dealer and now is a very successful entrepreneur with 'Obama on text'...so being a criminal does not equal being dumb.

[Save Us]

My understanding is it's done off IQ. Seeing as since he just graduated HS and was supposedly set to enroll in JUCO..I don't think that's the case.




What are you basing this off? Because he acted like a thug? FWIW, Jay-Z (Shawn Corey Carter) was a crack dealer and now is a very successful entrepreneur with 'Obama on text'...so being a criminal does not equal being dumb.

What brings a criminal into the realm of stupidity is being caught. Walking down the street obstructing traffic or robbing a place without disguise when everything is video taped...Then I would have to say he was stupid at the very least, possibly mental at worst.

[steven]

Walking down the street obstructing traffic or robbing a place without disguise when everything is video taped...Then I would have to say he was stupid at the very least, possibly mental at worst.

what saveus said.

There are a lot of people walking around now that would have been locked up in an asylum 50 yrs ago

[nogods]

What brings a criminal into the realm of stupidity is being caught. Walking down the street obstructing traffic or robbing a place without disguise when everything is video taped...Then I would have to say he was stupid at the very least, possibly mental at worst.

Have they stated yet whether or not he had ingested drugs or alcohol before the robbery and shooting?

[4248]

No one said it so far - but I guess if we are looking for labels that may tend to excuse the Cop - lessen the severity of this incident - why not throw in the possible mental status of the victim.

Race has been over played - socioeconomics/crime - education or lack of it - what's left ?

[4248]

All this talk about Ferguson:

That's all that's gonna happen - for years. This whole situation will be regurgitated by local, state and Federal Officials.

It will slowly fade into our collective memories - by design !
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Its a felony to hit a law officer - yet if a law officer hits a taxpayer, its just part of the job !

""The government has to show that the police officer acted with specific intent to use more force than was reasonably necessary under the circumstances. You can't prosecute a police officer for making a mistake or even for a lack of judgment," said William Yeomans, a former acting head of the Civil Rights Division"
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Could this officer have remained in his vehicle and called for back up - did he need to reengage the perp (after what happened in the car) - could he have acted differently - we weren't there - we will never know !
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First off - he's trained to be aggressive "Take and maintain control" - he is taught to over whelm the perp - he's not taught to back off and reassess.

One young man is dead - One Police Officer has irrevocably changed his own life and the lives of all concerned.

Time to reassess the training and culture of our law enforcement officers. They are being supplied with heavy weapons, armored vehicles and military style training - is this what we as tax payers want them to be - Heavily armed extensions of our Military - are they actually a "Para Military Group" ?

Its bad enough they have to deal with personal, political, crime and other stressors like we all do - then they are taught day after day - "Its us against Them" -

I don't view their job that way - but then again I still remember Cops that walk the beat - talked to neighbor hood kids like they cared - not to groom snitch's - they didn't pull you over after tailgating you for miles "Because you acted suspicious" -

What's happening to these guys/gals today -

[leftWNYbecauseofBS]

All this talk about Ferguson:

That's all that's gonna happen - for years. This whole situation will be regurgitated by local, state and Federal Officials.

It will slowly fade into our collective memories - by design !
-
Its a felony to hit a law officer - yet if a law officer hits a taxpayer, its just part of the job !

""The government has to show that the police officer acted with specific intent to use more force than was reasonably necessary under the circumstances. You can't prosecute a police officer for making a mistake or even for a lack of judgment," said William Yeomans, a former acting head of the Civil Rights Division"
-
Could this officer have remained in his vehicle and called for back up - did he need to reengage the perp (after what happened in the car) - could he have acted differently - we weren't there - we will never know !
-
First off - he's trained to be aggressive "Take and maintain control" - he is taught to over whelm the perp - he's not taught to back off and reassess.

One young man is dead - One Police Officer has irrevocably changed his own life and the lives of all concerned.

Time to reassess the training and culture of our law enforcement officers. They are being supplied with heavy weapons, armored vehicles and military style training - is this what we as tax payers want them to be - Heavily armed extensions of our Military - are they actually a "Para Military Group" ?

Its bad enough they have to deal with personal, political, crime and other stressors like we all do - then they are taught day after day - "Its us against Them" -

I don't view their job that way - but then again I still remember Cops that walk the beat - talked to neighbor hood kids like they cared - not to groom snitch's - they didn't pull you over after tailgating you for miles "Because you acted suspicious" -

What's happening to these guys/gals today -

You're an idiot.

[nogods]

All this talk about Ferguson:

That's all that's gonna happen - for years. This whole situation will be regurgitated by local, state and Federal Officials.

It will slowly fade into our collective memories - by design !
-
Its a felony to hit a law officer - yet if a law officer hits a taxpayer, its just part of the job !

""The government has to show that the police officer acted with specific intent to use more force than was reasonably necessary under the circumstances. You can't prosecute a police officer for making a mistake or even for a lack of judgment," said William Yeomans, a former acting head of the Civil Rights Division"
-
Could this officer have remained in his vehicle and called for back up - did he need to reengage the perp (after what happened in the car) - could he have acted differently - we weren't there - we will never know !
-
First off - he's trained to be aggressive "Take and maintain control" - he is taught to over whelm the perp - he's not taught to back off and reassess.

One young man is dead - One Police Officer has irrevocably changed his own life and the lives of all concerned.

Time to reassess the training and culture of our law enforcement officers. They are being supplied with heavy weapons, armored vehicles and military style training - is this what we as tax payers want them to be - Heavily armed extensions of our Military - are they actually a "Para Military Group" ?

Its bad enough they have to deal with personal, political, crime and other stressors like we all do - then they are taught day after day - "Its us against Them" -

I don't view their job that way - but then again I still remember Cops that walk the beat - talked to neighbor hood kids like they cared - not to groom snitch's - they didn't pull you over after tailgating you for miles "Because you acted suspicious" -

What's happening to these guys/gals today -

What is needed is a better selection and continuing review process to weed out the short fuses and megalomaniacs. Some people simply aren't qualified to be LEO's because of their personality. And those personality traits are usually easily recognized or discovered if they are a priority.