Clarence BOE pass budget

[NY The Vampire State]

It's happening all over the state, and local districts should just forego money that is already allocated and budgeted-for by a state that has a constitutional balanced budget requirement? That seems stupid. Why should Scarsdale and Wappinger's get an allocation of state money to modernize its school facilities, and Clarence or Tonawanda shouldn't?

So, you're one of those guys who likes to complain about unfunded state mandates. Here, the state is funding 70% of a lot of mandates. Seems like 70% is better than 0%.

Because it contributes to a dysfunctional way of doing things. Bring back community control and self sufficiency.

Of course, you also spout on about how teachers' salaries aren't "in line", but you fail to write what they're not "in line" with. You say that they're not "teaching these kids some things worth value", and you offer no specifics (because you have no clue what you're talking about, but that's beside the point).

Its a part time job, they get a pension and have the best health insurance plan in the state with the least contribution. When is it going to be enough?

Common Core?

Stop pretending you care. You don't care. You'd vote no if this was the district bonding 30% of the cost just as soon as you'd vote no if this was the district budgeting for 100% of the cost.

The people that don't care are the ones that don't vote.

[buffalopundit]

Because it contributes to a dysfunctional way of doing things. Bring back community control and self sufficiency.

So, you would have people from New York City, Albany, Plattsburgh, and Corning not help fund roadworks by the DOT, State Police, DEP, Courts, Child & Family Services, Corrections, DMV, etc., that form the basis of a representative democratic society in the 21st century?

Its a part time job, they get a pension and have the best health insurance plan in the state with the least contribution. When is it going to be enough?

They (for the most part) have advanced degrees, are professionals, and work longer hours during the school year than many in the private sector, all for a good reason, and they are planning curricula for September well before the school year begins.

The people that don't care are the ones that don't vote.

Oh, you CARE. You just don't care for kids to receive public education in a safe and habitable environment.

[WNYresident]

BuffaloPundit
Oh, please.

If they budgeted for capital repairs and upgrades, people like you would be the first to howl and vote no. What is this fresh nonsense where you're suddenly concern-trolling the school district?

I don't think so. People who think ahead know that in the long run proper maintenance and planning usually cost less money.

[WNYresident]

The town budget has nothing to do with the district budget. They do budget for maintenance, but under state law a facilities survey must be done every 5 years. This was done, and these are the upgrades and repairs that need to be done.

I'm sorry.

School not town.

Can the school have savings account specifically for these needs?

[NY The Vampire State]

So, you would have people from New York City, Albany, Plattsburgh, and Corning not help fund roadworks by the DOT, State Police, DEP, Courts, Child & Family Services, Corrections, DMV, etc., that form the basis of a representative democratic society in the 21st century?

People from New York City, Albany, Plattsburgh, and Corning don't go to Clarence Schools. Do you not realize that if Clarence Schools were self sufficent, people like yourself would have more power in the way things are run? You are just fine with the way things are. Having Albany in control makes it easier for you protect a system loaded with waste

They (for the most part) have advanced degrees, are professionals, and work longer hours during the school year than many in the private sector, all for a good reason, and they are planning curricula for September well before the school year begins.

Oh Please. Let me clue you in (for the most part) people in the private sector don't get pensions, don't get automatic raises, pay more for health insurance and the ones that pay 100% for their families health insurance are working more than 9-5. Oh and there is no such thing as tenure, they can get fired too.

Oh, you CARE. You just don't care for kids to receive public education in a safe and habitable environment.

Oh, here we go with that again.

It's for the children.

[buffalopundit]

People from New York City, Albany, Plattsburgh, and Corning don't go to Clarence Schools. Do you not realize that if Clarence Schools were self sufficent, people like yourself would have more power in the way things are run? You are just fine with the way things are. Having Albany in control makes it easier for you protect a system loaded with waste

Do you not realize that a school budget cannot, by law, include capital spending? Asking Albany to cover 70% of the cost doesn't put them "in control". It means that 70% of the cost of making repairs to Clarence schools is being shouldered by taxpayers from throughout the state, rather than just in Clarence. Maybe if someone offered to pay 70% of something you needed to do to your house, you'd reject it, but that's you.

Oh Please. Let me clue you in (for the most part) people in the private sector don't get pensions, don't get automatic raises, pay more for health insurance and the ones that pay 100% for their families health insurance are working more than 9-5. Oh and there is no such thing as tenure, they can get fired too.

So? If the Queen had balls, she'd be the King.

Oh, here we go with that again.

It's for the children.

Schools generally are.

[NY The Vampire State]

So its better for a district to pay interest? Who's collecting this interest BTW?

[NY The Vampire State]

I'll put this over here too.

Why don't people like Alan Bedenko and the rest of the crowd who demand we pay more in school taxes ever go after these crooks who run the lottery?

I'd also be interested to see exactly how much tax money is being transformed back into NYSUT union dues.


Here's an example from Chicago:

A Chicago teacher making $66,159.00 annually in ‘13/’14 gives the union 1.6%/$1059.64 of their salary to their own union not to include what they give to the national unions PSEA & NEA. A non-teacher making that much gives the union $635.78. The union has 32,000 teachers, non-teachers and retirees and obviously lots of power…and assume these numbers mirror the power of teachers unions locally and nationally.



THAT 1.6% TEACHERS ARE GIVING THEIR UNIONS IS TAXPAYER MONEY BEING USED TO KEEP THEM IN POWER.

Teachers salaries are always protected by the dues they have just padded in, thus creating a never ending and bullet proof cycle. They got it all figured out.

[buffalopundit]

So its better for a district to pay interest? Who's collecting this interest BTW?

There is no alternative. By law, capital projects cannot come out of the operating budget. The bondholders collect the interest. The district has a Aa2 rating with Moody's, which is prime investment grade.

[buffalopundit]

I'll put this over here too.



I'd also be interested to see exactly how much tax money is being transformed back into NYSUT union dues.


Here's an example from Chicago:

A Chicago teacher making $66,159.00 annually in ‘13/’14 gives the union 1.6%/$1059.64 of their salary to their own union not to include what they give to the national unions PSEA & NEA. A non-teacher making that much gives the union $635.78. The union has 32,000 teachers, non-teachers and retirees and obviously lots of power…and assume these numbers mirror the power of teachers unions locally and nationally.



THAT 1.6% TEACHERS ARE GIVING THEIR UNIONS IS TAXPAYER MONEY BEING USED TO KEEP THEM IN POWER.

Teachers salaries are always protected by the dues they have just padded in, thus creating a never ending and bullet proof cycle. They got it all figured out.

It's not "taxpayer money". They pay their dues out of their earnings, which is money that belongs to them.

[Save Us]

NY is under the delusion that it is the only state that successfully educates their young people to be successful, that somehow no other state does that. Obviously other states do at a fraction of the cost, and we have provided other areas of country with the fruits of our labors and taxes. It's population shift caused by thuggery.

[NY The Vampire State]

It's not "taxpayer money". They pay their dues out of their earnings, which is money that belongs to them.

They pay dues out of their salaries which already have the dues padded in. When you have 90k a year salaries, pensions and great benefits, a grand or two a year to ensure it is not money out of your pocket. The dues elected the politicians, the politicians write the laws in their favor and its an endless cycle for them. The teachers union has figured out how to use our (taxpayer) money to maintain their power with very little or nothing out of their pocket.

How about we abolish NYSUT and put the 1,000 bucks per teacher back into the school budgets so they can fix the roof.

[NY The Vampire State]

And I don't care what party you're from.

The Republicans do it with private money from big oil and corporations. The Democrats do it with taxpayer money from the unions and their dues. Either way its robbery and it DESTROYS our Republic, pick your poison.


Why not chase down some of the NYS Lotto money that seems to disappear?

[NY The Vampire State]

There is no alternative. By law, capital projects cannot come out of the operating budget. The bondholders collect the interest. The district has a Aa2 rating with Moody's, which is prime investment grade.

I didn't ask if there was an alternative. I asked if its better for the district to pay interest or raise the funds themselves for free. If there is a better way of doing things shouldn't we be doing it instead of making excuses?




Lot going on here today.

[WNYresident]

NY is under the delusion that it is the only state that successfully educates their young people to be successful, that somehow no other state does that. Obviously other states do at a fraction of the cost, and we have provided other areas of country with the fruits of our labors and taxes. It's population shift caused by thuggery.

Do they?

has anyone actually confirmed this?

Are revenue sources different in other state yet spending per student is the same?

A large part of our taxes on our home is school tax. If the state paid for education the cost to live in my home would prob be 1/2.