Senecas Select Casino Location

[steven]

The Seneca Indian Nation has announced plans to build a new casino in downtown Buffalo, behind the HSBC Arena.

Watch video of the announcement here
http://wgrz.com/video/vplayer.aspx?aid=11222&bw=

[WestCoastPerspective]

The property, which the Seneca Nation closed on late Monday afternoon, is bounded by Michigan Avenue on the east, Marvin Street on the west, Perry Street on the north and South Park Avenue on the south. The land sits in the heart of the city's Cobblestone District, just a few blocks from HSBC Arena.

Whether the casino actually is built there or at another site such as the Niagara Frontier Transportation Authority-owned DL&W Terminal, will be determined within the next few weeks, said Barry Snyder Sr., Seneca Nation president.

^^^From the Bus. First website

This is east of Michigan Avenue. I think Paladino owned most of this property- including the HO Oats elevators that he had proposed (a long time ago) converting to residential. No wonder he was pushing for a city casino. :uhh:

[300miles]

What am i missing?

.................................................. .......................
...........................................Seneca Land..........
...........................................Purchas ed Here.....
.................................................. ..X...................
...DL&W Site.............................................. .......
.....is here.............................................. ...........
.........X........................................ ......................
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So why does the media keep saying they're putting a casino in the DL&W Terminal. Did they buy it?

[therising]

My guess is that they were not able to come to terms with NFTA quickly enough, so they're putting options on the other (Paladino?) pieces? If NFTA can be worked out, then they walk from Paladino (for a fee, I'm sure)

[therising]

This is where Graybar used to be isn't it? This is where I park when I go to the arena. So much for free parking!

[citymouse]

Isn't Paladino the one who instigated the lawsuit to force the Indians back downtown from the Ceektowaga site?
What a self serving Snake!!
He has been buying the land in that area for the last ten years. If his boy Helfer wins the key to city hall he will have a duplicate made for Carl. Paladino will be able to get more land for next to nothing (The little he dosen't already own) and end up owning all the private land around the waterfront and boneing the taxpayer with incentives and tax breakes from the EDC's he will control.
Politics as usual. Even involving the Indians.

[WestCoastPerspective]

[WestCoastPerspective]

Originally posted by citymouse
Isn't Paladino the one who instigated the lawsuit to force the Indians back downtown from the Ceektowaga site?
What a self serving Snake!!
He has been buying the land in that area for the last ten years. If his boy Helfer wins the key to city hall he will have a duplicate made for Carl. Paladino will be able to get more land for next to nothing (The little he dosen't already own) and end up owning all the private land around the waterfront and boneing the taxpayer with incentives and tax breakes from the EDC's he will control.
Politics as usual. Even involving the Indians.

City-
Are you saying you preferred the casino in Cheektowaga and no revenue for the city? It doesn't matter who the mayor is- Paladino is selling to the Senecas, not the city.

[citymouse]

Originally posted by therising
This is where Graybar used to be isn't it? This is where I park when I go to the arena. So much for free parking!

Kenworth trucking is the southwest corner. I think the HO elevator is the North west corner. South east corner is an empty field. I think the north west coener is a parking lot.
It is across from the Malamute and also across from the now closed Fulmar for those people familar with first ward bars.
I was told they offered Kenworth five hundred grand and he turned them down.
I know they offered the Swannie House and the Malamute $350,000 each and they also turned them down. The owner of the Swannie House countered with one and a half millon and was told forget about it. He felt justified because the city assesment on his property is 1.2 million. I heard this from both owners themselves.
Both properties are adjacent to but not on the proposed site.

[steven]

God forbid anyone you dont like makes any money right?

[Chris in Parkside]

Originally posted by WestCoastPerspective

Well, that will just do WONDERS for the new casino/retail extravaganza by the arena and servicemen's park. The casino is four very long blocks away....

Hopefully, they work something out for the DL&W soon because this site sucks.

[WestCoastPerspective]

Agreed. Might as well have been at the Central terminal if this is where the back-up location is.

[citymouse]

Originally posted by steven
God forbid anyone you dont like makes any money right?

I have no problem with honest people investing with foresight to make money.
I have problems with developers and investors using inside knowledge and political connections to take advantage of people and profit from it.
Paladino is the worst of the bunch. His kind of slash and burn tactics are an insult to everybody who loves this city, particularly that area.
The best example is the Historic Harbor Inn. which today would be a thriving waterfront attraction but for his greed.
He is hurting this whole community with the way he does business and your right, I don't like it.

[therising]

I agree with Citymouse and I also agree that this site sucks.

As this relates to the mayoral election; up until now, I was thinking I'd rather support a candidate that's in bed with developers than Unions. Now I'm not so sure.

[steven]

Originally posted by citymouse
I have no problem with honest people investing with foresight to make money.
I have problems with developers and investors using inside knowledge and political connections to take advantage of people and profit from it.

I have no love for paladino but in this instance there was no insider knowledge that I can see. He took the senacas to court, he won the fight and now they are going to pay him. That sounds more like he is a smart business man.

Despite all the hyperbole on this board about the senecas using "eminant domain" Paladino like anyone that saw and went thru the compact knew that if the senacas lost in court they would be back downtown where he owns a sizable chunk of the real estate. They would have to pay for any land they wanted. If he didnt own the land they wanted odds are he owned something close to it, either way he would win. That didnt require insider knowledge to figure out.

as a side note if you read the compact they plan on putting up housing for there workers so the DLW might very well be for the casino and this for the work a bees.