Repeal laws on permits for mace & pistols

[MoreOfTheSame]

I don't own either, obviously, but when I see stuff like this I can't help but wonder if the area would have a lot less brazen street crime if there was a higher probability of victims being able to defend themselves. At least the UB police are very good at reporting almost every single violent crime that occurs so people know the problem is out there.

But the solution has to be more than transparency in reporting violent street crime. It is obvious that criminals out there don't fear the police, given the time it takes for them to respond. How many instances of robberies have there been where the victim gets hurt, even if they comply and give in?

It's time to repeal the ridiculous laws requiring background forms for mace purchase and arbitrary gun licenses for pistols. Thoughts?

On a side note: Anybody ever go to Erie, PA? 6" across the border and every other store is selling pistols and mace.

UB Police Investigating strong-arm robbery on South Campus
Release Date: February 4, 2009

University Police are investigating a strong-arm robbery that occurred on Feb. 3, 2009, at approximately 7:55 p.m. in the Main/Bailey Parking Lot on the University at Buffalo South (Main Street) Campus.

The victim was approached from behind and assaulted by a group described as four black males, 5-feet 10-inches to 6-feet tall, in their late teens to early 20s and all wearing dark clothing.

PS - Sorry if this is the wrong forum.

[mesue]

I don't own either, obviously, but when I see stuff like this I can't help but wonder if the area would have a lot less brazen street crime if there was a higher probability of victims being able to defend themselves. At least the UB police are very good at reporting almost every single violent crime that occurs so people know the problem is out there.

But the solution has to be more than transparency in reporting violent street crime. It is obvious that criminals out there don't fear the police, given the time it takes for them to respond. How many instances of robberies have there been where the victim gets hurt, even if they comply and give in?

It's time to repeal the ridiculous laws requiring background forms for mace purchase and arbitrary gun licenses for pistols. Thoughts?

On a side note: Anybody ever go to Erie, PA? 6" across the border and every other store is selling pistols and mace.



PS - Sorry if this is the wrong forum.

What a bunch of knuckleheads! Stealing someones Burger King meal? It's too bad that person didn't have mace, or something to protect themselves with. It should be legal in NYS.

[Dumbfounded]

What a bunch of knuckleheads! Stealing someones Burger King meal? It's too bad that person didn't have mace, or something to protect themselves with. It should be legal in NYS.

Over the last twenty plus years, I've looked through KNIFE catalogs that also include all kinds of mace, brass knuckles ("paperweights), switchblades, sword canes, knives concealed in belt buckles, nunchakas, sai, you-name-it.

There are about ten states which do not allow buyers (from knife catalogs/websites) to order certain prohibited items, such as mace and
New York State has made it illegal to purchase more self-defense items than ANY OTHER STATE, such as Rhode Island, Hawaii.

If you can conceal an edged (or other non-firearm) weapon, you can NOT buy it if you live in New York State.


What bugs me is that if a criminal wants a gun, they'll just go out and buy one from any one of a number of dealers and/or "friends" while responsible citizens have to wait a LOOOONG time to get a firearm/carry permit;Not talking about rifles and shotguns.

So roughly 40 or less states ALLOW mace but for some reason its DANGEOUS and TOTALLY ILLEGAL to use mace in New York State for self-defense.

Of course, New York State does NOT allow individuals to own TASERS like the ones you see on those infomertials.

Yes. I can easily see the potential for abusing mace and tasers and other "toys," but if they're illegal for "good reasons" in New York and nine other states, make them illegal on a FEDERAL level or make them legal in ALL states.

How many rapes, murders, abductions and other crimes MAY have been prevented if the victims carried non-lethal protection (duh, yes, the assaliant can grab your weapon and use it against you but more people would be saved than harmed, statistically).

[Surfing USA]

Thanks to Governor Pataki, you can carry pepper spray in NY State.

http://selfdefenses.com/forcespray/newyork.html

[MoreOfTheSame]

Thanks to Governor Pataki, you can carry pepper spray in NY State.

http://selfdefenses.com/forcespray/newyork.html

This is kind of what I am railing about above. While you CAN buy mace in New York there are so many bureaucratic blocks against it. You have to buy it from a pharmacist or a gun store. How many pharmacies in Buffalo sell mace? I've never seen one. So now you have to schlep your way to a gun store. How many of those are there in the city?

But that's not all! You then have to fill out a sworn background statement from the police, which is then kept on file by the police who knows where and for who knows what purpose and even then you can only buy two at a time.

That's not reasonable. Reasonable would be like the rest of the states where you could buy as much as you want from any merchant without the bureaucratic overhead and police paperwork.

Meanwhile, if you buy it legally outside of NY in some reasonable jurisdiction (like Erie, PA) you are liable to charges if you bring it back into the state and use it in self defense. How is that fair?

So yes, Pataki did allow it to be purchased in the state. But he put up so many arbitrary barriers that it's ridiculous.

[a citizen]

I own pistols and cs gas. They are both difficult to use with out practice. If you pull the weapon out you must be prepared to use it. Fire the handgun center of mass. CS gas should be fired at the chin/face. These weapons are not to be used to scare the "bad guy" away. If you pull them out you are using them. Most people would have a hard time doing this. Maybe to buy these items you should be trained to use them or they may be used against you.

[Cgoodsp466]

Over the last twenty plus years, I've looked through KNIFE catalogs that also include all kinds of mace, brass knuckles ("paperweights), switchblades, sword canes, knives concealed in belt buckles, nunchakas, sai, you-name-it.

There are about ten states which do not allow buyers (from knife catalogs/websites) to order certain prohibited items, such as mace and
New York State has made it illegal to purchase more self-defense items than ANY OTHER STATE, such as Rhode Island, Hawaii.

If you can conceal an edged (or other non-firearm) weapon, you can NOT buy it if you live in New York State.


What bugs me is that if a criminal wants a gun, they'll just go out and buy one from any one of a number of dealers and/or "friends" while responsible citizens have to wait a LOOOONG time to get a firearm/carry permit;Not talking about rifles and shotguns.

So roughly 40 or less states ALLOW mace but for some reason its DANGEOUS and TOTALLY ILLEGAL to use mace in New York State for self-defense.

Of course, New York State does NOT allow individuals to own TASERS like the ones you see on those infomertials.

Yes. I can easily see the potential for abusing mace and tasers and other "toys," but if they're illegal for "good reasons" in New York and nine other states, make them illegal on a FEDERAL level or make them legal in ALL states.

How many rapes, murders, abductions and other crimes MAY have been prevented if the victims carried non-lethal protection (duh, yes, the assaliant can grab your weapon and use it against you but more people would be saved than harmed, statistically).

Its easier to ask for forgiveness then permission. I have a great umbrella if ya know what I mean.

[Surfing USA]

A few years ago, I was taking the Metro-Rail to jury duty. Periodically, due to spinal injuries, I need the aid of a cane. So, there I was, sitting in my seat, wearing sunglasses , holding my cane and minding my own business, when a thuggish looking character gets on, scans the car and plants himself across from me.

After a while, I realized that it was no coincidence that this guy was watching me like a hawk. Because I wasn't looking around, was holding a cane and wearing sunglasses, this guy was probably under the impression that I was blind. Needless to say, if this were true, I'd have been an easy target for a mugging.

The whole idea of this, actually excited me. I was going to teach my potential mugger a lesson he'd never forget. Being the bonehead I am, I eventually attempted to sneak a peak at my watch and he caught me doing so. The look of disgust on this guys face was priceless. His jaw nearly hit the floor and he stormed off at the next stop.

Since that incident, I've attempted to set-up other potential muggers, but have yet to find a target.

[joe d.]

A few years ago, I was taking the Metro-Rail to jury duty. Periodically, due to spinal injuries, I need the aid of a cane. So, there I was, sitting in my seat, wearing sunglasses , holding my cane and minding my own business, when a thuggish looking character gets on, scans the car and plants himself across from me.

After a while, I realized that it was no coincidence that this guy was watching me like a hawk. Because I wasn't looking around, was holding a cane and wearing sunglasses, this guy was probably under the impression that I was blind. Needless to say, if this were true, I'd have been an easy target for a mugging.

The whole idea of this, actually excited me. I was going to teach my potential mugger a lesson he'd never forget. Being the bonehead I am, I eventually attempted to sneak a peak at my watch and he caught me doing so. The look of disgust on this guys face was priceless. His jaw nearly hit the floor and he stormed off at the next stop.

Since that incident, I've attempted to set-up other potential muggers, but have yet to find a target.

YOU GET THE ...Charles Bronson AWARD!!
JUST MAKE SURE WHEN you're successful...they're ELIMINATED COMPLETELY!!

[Dougles]

A few years ago, I was taking the Metro-Rail to jury duty. Periodically, due to spinal injuries, I need the aid of a cane. So, there I was, sitting in my seat, wearing sunglasses , holding my cane and minding my own business, when a thuggish looking character gets on, scans the car and plants himself across from me.

After a while, I realized that it was no coincidence that this guy was watching me like a hawk. Because I wasn't looking around, was holding a cane and wearing sunglasses, this guy was probably under the impression that I was blind. Needless to say, if this were true, I'd have been an easy target for a mugging.

The whole idea of this, actually excited me. I was going to teach my potential mugger a lesson he'd never forget. Being the bonehead I am, I eventually attempted to sneak a peak at my watch and he caught me doing so. The look of disgust on this guys face was priceless. His jaw nearly hit the floor and he stormed off at the next stop.

Since that incident, I've attempted to set-up other potential muggers, but have yet to find a target.

But you know if you do stop the mugger, you will be called a racist and his mother will say to the buffalo news the next day that he was a perfect angel and would never do anything and that he was trying to help you off the train!

[ChaneysGotaGun]

"...There was no weapon displayed in this incident and the suspects fled eastbound on Main Street. The suspects took the victim's bag of food that had just been purchased at a fast food restaurant. "
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How about setting these fools up? Walk by UB South with a steaming bucket of extra-crispy KFC, but first give it a sprinkling of arsenic, Love Canal soil, and the toxic cocktail run-off from the back of any City garbage truck.

My fav weapon has to be the Pilum Ballistic Knife. Leave it to the Russians to invent a knife capable of penetrating soft body armor.

[Dumbfounded]

A few years ago, I was taking the Metro-Rail to jury duty. Periodically, due to spinal injuries, I need the aid of a cane. So, there I was, sitting in my seat, wearing sunglasses , holding my cane and minding my own business, when a thuggish looking character gets on, scans the car and plants himself across from me.

After a while, I realized that it was no coincidence that this guy was watching me like a hawk. Because I wasn't looking around, was holding a cane and wearing sunglasses, this guy was probably under the impression that I was blind. Needless to say, if this were true, I'd have been an easy target for a mugging.

The whole idea of this, actually excited me. I was going to teach my potential mugger a lesson he'd never forget. Being the bonehead I am, I eventually attempted to sneak a peak at my watch and he caught me doing so. The look of disgust on this guys face was priceless. His jaw nearly hit the floor and he stormed off at the next stop.

Since that incident, I've attempted to set-up other potential muggers, but have yet to find a target.

And IF you had the pleasure of telling the cops at the scene of your would-be mugger's crippling beating,
"officers, I had no choice but to break his arms, legs, sternum, skull, probably ruptured a few organs and oh-caving half his face in with my fist? Self defense! He went after me and I couldn't just sit there like a punching bag! The witnesses on my car (subway) corroborate my story, I'm sure. And by the way, officer, I HATE violence!"

The ubiquitous security cameras on the train probably would have caught most of Surfing's very legit self-defense

And its VERY COMMON, WAY too common to hear news stories of the handicapped, elderly and very young (or a combination thereof) as violent crime victims from the ultimate cowards


And if someone in a wheelchair gets attacked and manages to stick a knife in the mugger's ribcage, should THEY be convicted of carrying a concealed weapon and/or excessive force?
NO WAY.

Its like that artilce in the 'News' of the pizza deliveryman and cop (off duty, civy) who shot their would-be muggers, the same gun-toting losers who may very EASILY have murdered them-Those kind of "suprise, coward" stories are ART.



ChaneysGotaGun-The Spetsnatz or ballistic knife was illegal in NYS 25 years ago or more! But they are COOL. The blade shoots up to 40 feet!
And no. Never owned one. Remember seeing the ads for ballistic knife KITS (simply requiring assembly) in 'Soldier Of Fortune' magazine over twenty years ago.


But yeah. I WANT more news stories of "helpless people" using a firearm on home invaders, sending them in to the next world or handicapped people crippling a would-be attacked turning the coward into a handicapped for life person like themselves.

Hard NOT to get angry over just the assaults that make the news.
Want to read MORE stories of legit self defense on a DAILY basis, not just now and then.

[nogods]

I had not seen this thread before today, but reading through some of the comments makes me happy every idiot can't buy self-defense pepper spray or a handgun at Walmart on a whim.

First, self-defense pepper spray can be purchased at the Gun Center, Gander Mountain, or Dicks Sporting Goods. You don't need a police background check or fingerprints - just a driver's license will do.

An alternative is bear spray - much more potent and much more powerful. You can buy it at Eastern Mountain Sports - no id required (bear spray is classified as a pesticide under NYS and Federal law and thus can be sold by anyone who can sell mosquito repellent, which is practically everyone.) For a discussion about bear spray in NY read Is Bear Spray (Bear Repellent) Legal in NYS?

As for firearms being sold in Pennsylvania you'll still need a PA firearms permit. And if you intend to bring that weapon back into NYS you will need a NYS pistol permit. It used to be very easy to obtain a non-resident firearms permit from PA if you already had a NYS pistol permit - I did it when they were still accepting applications by mail. But that ended some time last year. Now you have to personally appear to get the non-resident firearms permit.

The last thing we need is every yahoo running around armed. Like this yahoo - Reason to go: Dropped gun fires in Walmart stall

MESA, AZ (CBS5) - In Mesa, a man was inside a Walmart bathroom when a bullet struck just a few feet from the urinal where he was standing.

That man was standing at the urinal when police say 24-year-old Andrew Seals entered a stall wearing a western-style holster and .357-caliber antique revolver.

Before he could sit down, he had an accident.

He took the belt off as he was going to use the restroom and it dropped on the floor, and the motion of it hitting the floor caused that weapon to discharge.

The big bullet traveled right through the metal door, ricocheted off the wall and took out a light fixture up above, then struck the floor only a few feet from where the victim was standing. He was pretty shaken up about it.