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    Arkansas learns about the price of oil



    Arkansas opens probe into Exxon oil spill; clean-up continues

    We don't need no stinkin' regulations - the free market will take care of it...

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    That is nasty but as a nation we need oil.

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    Just goes to show that environmental regulations are there for a reason. We can have our oil and safety at the same time, but that means setting up some rules and prohibiting pipes in some areas.

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    Lucky for Exxon all that oil isn't oil, or they might have to help pay for the cleanup.

    The central Arkansas spill caused by Exxon's aging Pegasus pipeline has reportedly unleashed 10,000 barrels of Canadian heavy crude - but a technicality says it's not oil, letting the energy giant off the hook from paying into a national cleanup fund. Legally speaking, diluted bitumen like the heavy crude that's overrun Mayflower, Arkansas, is not classified as 'oil'. And it's that very distinction that exempts Exxon from contributing to the government's oil spillage cleanup fund...

    ...The strange exemption of heavy bitumen crude from classification as oil dates back to a time when the extraction of tar sands on a large scale was thought improbable with technology available at the time. However, while oil companies developed the means to transform Canadian tar sands into a booming energy sector, the legal definition of oil remained the same. The burst comes in the midst of a heated debate surrounding the controversial Keystone pipeline. If the plan goes through, the pipeline would carry the same type of bitumen, from the same region in Canada.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mindcrime View Post
    Lucky for Exxon all that oil isn't oil, or they might have to help pay for the cleanup.
    Pay no attention the the article you posted where they were paying for cleanup..... I know that wouldn't help your spin

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    Quote Originally Posted by yokes View Post
    Pay no attention the the article you posted where they were paying for cleanup..... I know that wouldn't help your spin
    Yes, yes, just like they promised to pay for the 1989 Exxon-Valdez oil spill? I'm sure this neighborhood will be left good as new.
    Everyone is entitled to their own opinion. No one is entitled to their own facts.

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    All the more reason to start moving away from oil as our primary fuel source.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jeff View Post
    All the more reason to start moving away from oil as our primary fuel source.
    Your talking silly now. Won't happen as long as other economically active countries exist. The power of oil helps produce products that people need.

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    It will be used as long as its profitable. The day supplies start dwindling and prices skyrocket, you'll see the shift. You already saw it during the first wave when gas topped $4 a gallon here (still insanely cheap compared to global prices). 4 cylinder engines are now the norm, B-class cars are everywhere.

    Crude Oils demise has already started.

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    That lawn isn't going to be easy to reseed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by WNYresident View Post
    That is nasty but as a nation we need oil.
    No, you have to define "need". If we used our resources more sensibly (and efficiently) we would "need" a lot less oil. I've done my part. I've taken a car off the road and started biking / public transportation to work. If overland shipping were changed to primarily rail and goods were delivered more efficiently (as rail is much more efficient that trucking) millions of gallons of crude could be saved. But, I guess the problem is that scenario doesn't fit well with the model of selling more crap that most Americans don't need.

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    Quote Originally Posted by nogods View Post


    Arkansas opens probe into Exxon oil spill; clean-up continues
    We don't need no stinkin' regulations - the free market will take care of it...

    Was this an unregulated pipeline?

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