Reply With QuoteOn the surface it looks like this will have a positive long term effect for the city and the employees.
don't know the details but nice to see both sides at the table with realistic solutions.
394 to 20 in favor of the contract.
It's been a long time coming.
http://www.buffalonews.com/258/story/498201.html
We would like to extend our heartfelt thanks to the Buffalo Fire Department. If they hadn't rejected that contract two weeks ago the city probably wouldn't have given us the time of day. Instead we got twenty percent. It's about time.
It's going to be said we sold out the up and coming. Well, truth be told, you bargin for the membership, not for people who haven't been hired yet. And anyone hired will know the conditions when they take the job. I doubt they will turn the job down.
There are a lot of details that aren't mentioned in the article. Brian Myer is very good at saying what we are getting and not mentioning what we current workers gave up gave up. The city got as good as it gave. I can tell you if the economy wasn't going down the toilet and Albany on a fiscal cliff this contract would not have passed so handily, if at all. But the members were worried about what turning this down might mean.
I think our leadership did a good job considering and hats off to them.
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On the surface it looks like this will have a positive long term effect for the city and the employees.
don't know the details but nice to see both sides at the table with realistic solutions.
You and I have disagreed on a lot of things but I hope all contracts go in this direction.Originally Posted by citymouse
Hell, at this point I say give current workers whatever the hell they want if new hires have even more realistic contract terms.
Maybe the fire and police department would do something similar. Pay the guys on the force a wage equal to Trooper pay...keep the current health care and pension. But for new workers, 50% of health care is paid for by the worker and pension is 60% of your average for your ENTIRE career and a pension only last for an equal amount of years you worked on the job.
Don't take this the wrong way but the only way Buffalo to come back is for unions to sell out their "unborn" members. Let the guys and gals who are in the system "get theirs" so to speak and deal with the future.
With attrition and 20 years....Buffalo will be much better off.
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Now, I don't understand why any city, town or state allows ANY of there empolyees to NOT live where they work or better yet, when they retire!
Freedom comes in many forms. where you choose to live is just one of the freedoms.
You also get a better choice of worker when you dont limit your seach during recruitment.
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Buffalo could save a small fortune if they were to privatize most, if not all, of their "blue collar" services, especially sanitation.
Amherst privatized sanitation several years ago. They're saving a boatload of money and the services are better.
Nothing personal citymouse, just a realistic observation.
So is that kinda like saying it's okay to buy a foreign made car because you don't like an American one?
Hopefully the Control Board will approve the deal. With their approval, hopefully they will pay it . You guys certainly deserve that raise. Swanie house will be rockin ! We are at mediation, which won't do anything, so we'll be going to arbitration. I would guess the Firemen and Teachers will end up there too. I would expect to see something next yr around this time for us. It is a lengthly process. At least we don't have to worry about the streets not getting plowed ! Surfin, the City did get bids yrs ago, the companies didn't want to pick up the east and west sides. It was cheaper to keep the municipals. I'll keep em, they do a nice job.
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I didn't know there was an American one.
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What if the Hokey-Pokey IS what it's all about?
Yeah i think the vett's are still made in the US!
I thought i had an American car. but looking inside the door I found my Chevy was made in Canada. should have bought the Toyota at least it was made in America. and yes if I cant find an American product I will buy a foreign one in fact I cant remember the last time I checked to see where something was made befor i bought it.
what I buy is also a freedom. We are not forced to live any where. to buy only certain goods or hire only local workers.
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What'd they give up?
But, i guess, isn't that the downfall to this nation? We have to much freedoms? We have the freedom to buy whatever we want, but due high labor costs, we buy foreign products sending our money overseas. I mean just look at OPEC and gas, what does the middle east buy from the US?? Besides, arms, jets and tanks!
It sounds like THEY didn't give anything up, just the "newbies".
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