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    Another Fire Hall?

    Lets try and have an intelligent blog about the proposed New Hall for the Boston Fire Company.

    From what I understand the Boston Fire Company wants to build another Fire Hall next to the Brick one on Mill Street.

    I am up in the air about it.

    I understand the need for Fire Protection but I dont want to pay increases in taxes every year for the three fire company's to compete for who has the nicest hall and the biggest trucks..

    Does "A Step Above" ring a bell?

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    The fire company is not building an extravigant fancy fire hall like what was built in the north end of town. It is a simple steel building with 4 bays, no big fancy banquet hall, no fancy bar, they are still going to use the current fire hall for everything other than storage of their trucks. The only reason they are proposing the building is that new fire trucks are getting bigger and taller and they are out growing the small bays they have now. They have a rescue truck, an engine, a 4x4 brush fire truck and an ATV with a trailer that currently stays outside in the weather. this is all in a current 2 bay garage. If they get a call for something that requires the atv or brush truck to respond first they have to pull out the truck in front of it first which can cost time.

    As for increasing taxes, this is not that expensive of a building from what they described. I also talked to one of the members about this because I had lots of questions at first also. He said they were putting everything they could into it to make it more efficient to save on utilities and such. They are going to be using in floor heating, high efficiency lights, things like that.

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    As for increasing taxes, this is not that expensive of a building from what they described. I also talked to one of the members about this because I had lots of questions at first also. He said they were putting everything they could into it to make it more efficient to save on utilities and such. They are going to be using in floor heating, high efficiency lights, things like that.
    Take the cost increases for some of the "high efficiency" items and see if pay back is reasonable. One opinion I have is stay away from solar panels. Payback takes decades in some cases.

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    So how many brush fires suffered in response time due to this overcrowding ?? Everybody knows we have lots of them each year.

    I know it's confidential, but for discussion sake, just an estimate - say - within 20 for last year.

    If it's really to do as you say, why wouldn't you add a bay to what you have ?

    Why did you spend so much money on the last overhaul of the main club house if the garage was so outdated?

    A beautiful bar and lounge while all those brush fires have been raging out of control and leaving your ATV to sit in the rain is very, very hard to accept.

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    Just because its caller a brush truck does not mean it is ONLY used for brush fires. it is used anywhere you cant fit a full size engine, it is usefull on the powerline and on some of the driveways in town that get long, muddy, and uphill.

    As for adding a bay. where would you propose to put the bay? where the repair shop is next door? maybe you could negotiate the sale for them.

    Now Im not sure when and where they overhauled the "clubhouse" as It must have been a while ago because I dont remember that. But since it has been a while Im sure it was before the fire trucks started getting so much bigger, maybe not knowing the full extent of their growth.

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    You add a bay onto your lounge. Duh!

    Again, don't be vague. How many powerline fires were delayed ? And how many long muddy driveways suffered due to the logistics ??

    And don't count non emergency perks.

    I know, I know this is confidential info, but if you want non club folk to support the issue, you need to play them along a little.

    I'm trying to understand the benefits myself. Could we have saved the hotel with taller doors - maybe!

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    How many calls do the volunteers go on a week for fires?

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    Boy valley you are certainly mr negative nelly, Sounds like you have an ax to grind. No of course taller doors dont put out fires, but the point is they cant replace any outdeated equipment because the new stuff being made is larger that the current garage will fit. And I did not mean saving powerlines and muddey roads, Its called, the HOUUSES on powerline Rd., and HOUSES with long uphill muddy driveways, that a full size engine cannot get to. As for how many were delayed? every one technically. Because the truck blocking it needs to be moved out first every time.

    By the way, the hotel was saved, did you see the bar area? you could have still served in there. The thing got torn down because the owner never sealed up the roof and rest of the open building for 2 years and weather, animals and other things like that made it a danger.

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    Not negative - just realistic.

    First it was a "Brush Fire Truck". When asked how many brush fires we endure, what with the fire ban and all, the description was changed.

    Then it was a tool of need for the powerline.

    Now it's a necessity for long narrow muddy driveways.

    The solution is not negative, but realistic.

    Build a shed for the ATV and add a bay for the Brush Fire, Forest Fire Fighting, Narrow Muddy Driveway Brush Wacker. This way, nobody sees a delay, less money spent and everybody is happy.

    Right away, you want to buy neighboring properties and run up the expense.

    http://www.wivb.com/dpp/news/fire_at...andmark_090128

    If you can show that a new building will add to the overall service, then people will support it. Myself included.

    You should also explain the call process. Does the 911 operator exclaim,"This one is a long narrow muddy driveway, so make some room and bring the Brush King, you're going to need it." ?

    This will help us understand how the delay is developing and make further suggestions.

    If it doesn't make sense to keep the extra Brushher, ask around for the highest donation and let go of it. Then you just need a shed for the ATV.

    As far as the flyer and explanation that this is free money so there is no need to object is ridiculous. Was it a donation then or does grant money come free of charge?

    If it has to be paid back and you're willing to take it just because you can, then the tax dollars you receive may be too high.
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    re read my post, its called a brush truck, not a brush FIRE truck. Its what its called. the firemen know where and what calls it needs to go to. the operator doesnt have to tell them because they spend many hours each year training and know what parts of the town, streets, and addresses need this type of truck.

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    as for how the residents feel, that is what this topic is about, to discuss it. you have said your peace, i have said mine. Anyone else?

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    Anyone else?


    Sure, SUWNY is certainly not the place to talk logically. The anonymity of too many allow them to act like morons.
    The above is opinion & commentary, I am exercising my 1st Amendment rights as a US citizen. Posts are NOT made with any malicious intent.

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    Quote Originally Posted by slitter View Post
    re read my post, its called a brush truck, not a brush FIRE truck. Its what its called. the firemen know where and what calls it needs to go to. the operator doesnt have to tell them because they spend many hours each year training and know what parts of the town, streets, and addresses need this type of truck.
    May I ask which model, year brush truck are you looking at?

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    Quote Originally Posted by WNYresident View Post
    May I ask which model, year brush truck are you looking at?
    They already have a brush truck, I dont know model and year, just that its smaller and 4x4. I dont think they are buying a new one just looking to build a place to put there trucks so they dont have 4 vehicles in a 2 bay garage. Also when they do replace a fire engine its hard to find one that would be small enough to fit in the lower hight doors. These things are getting bigger and bigger.

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    Another question...

    Where do the volunteer firemen usually buy the trucks from?

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