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    What are the important issues any Sheriff should be concerned about/ dealing with or considering? Do you have suggestions for solutions?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cadphael View Post
    What are the important issues any Sheriff should be concerned about/ dealing with or considering? Do you have suggestions for solutions?
    The safety of the people he/she is sworn to serve!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by TheQ127 View Post
    The safety of the people he/she is sworn to serve!!!
    Thank you for answering engaging in this dialogue. Safety is one of the main tenants of Law enforcement. But is there a point when "safety" becomes an infringement on people. The State mandates seat belts car seats and motorcycle helmets. What more specifically can be done...?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cadphael View Post
    Thank you for answering engaging in this dialogue. Safety is one of the main tenants of Law enforcement. But is there a point when "safety" becomes an infringement on people. The State mandates seat belts car seats and motorcycle helmets. What more specifically can be done...?
    Make sure his deputies are enforcing the state's mandated infringements so that the people won't cause harm to themselves or others. Remember, as a law enforcement officer you are sworn to uphold the laws which are written by elected officials who were elected by the people, not the police!
    Are you asking to give a detail of what is expected from the sheriff, and if so for how big of a county, is there a lock up involved with your answer also civil and court papers, etc. There are allot of details that goes into law enforcement and each level is different for what's expected. That being said the most important part of a sheriff's job is to make sure the citizen, staff, inmates all stay safe while being governed by him/her.

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    Most Law Enforcement organizations have become a tool for opression. Yes they are needed for the worst crimes but in the interim they become a tool for our politicians to harass and tax the public. In reality the police and sheriff departments write tickets to provide a source of revenue for our society that is turning extremely liberal to the point of socialism.

    I think the cops deserve respect for the hardest jobs they do, but I don't know a single one who would stand up and refuse to write BS traffic tickets because they know it's being ordered for a revenue source.

    The big question is: When push eventually gets to shove and civil unrest erupts because people have been taxed enough and had their civil liberties infringed upon to the point of revolt, which side will law enforcement take?

    Remember that government can't take your liberties if they have no-one to force the public into compliance.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cadphael View Post
    What are the important issues any Sheriff should be concerned about/ dealing with or considering? Do you have suggestions for solutions?

    Get real cops.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FJB View Post
    Most Law Enforcement organizations have become a tool for opression. Yes they are needed for the worst crimes but in the interim they become a tool for our politicians to harass and tax the public. In reality the police and sheriff departments write tickets to provide a source of revenue for our society that is turning extremely liberal to the point of socialism.

    I think the cops deserve respect for the hardest jobs they do, but I don't know a single one who would stand up and refuse to write BS traffic tickets because they know it's being ordered for a revenue source.

    The big question is: When push eventually gets to shove and civil unrest erupts because people have been taxed enough and had their civil liberties infringed upon to the point of revolt, which side will law enforcement take?

    Remember that government can't take your liberties if they have no-one to force the public into compliance.

    A police officer takes an oath and is sworn to uphold the laws to protect the people of the community they serve.
    This has so many meaning that, I wonder why you just focus on the "hidden tax" of ticket writing; what about the other so called "hidden taxes" of costs of a simple form, or building codes, etc., (so numerous to express with this writing)? It's the elected officials who need to govern the will of the people and reduce spending and "hidden taxes" where possible. If a law enforcement officer were to be in a situation of protecting the "people-majority" .Vs a minority of self righteous people, including politicians, then I know that the police would protect the rights of these people in the majority!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by TheQ127 View Post
    A police officer takes an oath and is sworn to uphold the laws to protect the people of the community they serve.
    This has so many meaning that, I wonder why you just focus on the "hidden tax" of ticket writing; what about the other so called "hidden taxes" of costs of a simple form, or building codes, etc., (so numerous to express with this writing)? It's the elected officials who need to govern the will of the people and reduce spending and "hidden taxes" where possible. If a law enforcement officer were to be in a situation of protecting the "people-majority" .Vs a minority of self righteous people, including politicians, then I know that the police would protect the rights of these people in the majority!!
    Yes Dorthy this is Kansas.What a crock of crap,have you ever been in a afterhours Cop bar. I have and belive me its all about them.The good old days of that badge meaning somthing are gone.I for one was sad to see it happen.

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    [QUOTE=FJB;403288] In reality the police and sheriff departments write tickets to provide a source of revenue for our society that is turning extremely liberal to the point of socialism.

    I think the cops deserve respect for the hardest jobs they do, but I don't know a single one who would stand up and refuse to write BS traffic tickets because they know it's being ordered for a revenue source.

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    I know what you mean. I can go for a while on those topics. they get into some fundamental things. I am interested in running for the position of Sheriff.(not your jurisdiction) And want to tap into the heart of what the people think. one thought is that the Sheriff should encourage the deputies to use discretion wisely and not be beguiled by the bureaucrat fat cats that have an agenda.

    Is this a true statement regarding corrections: The sheriff is not running a day care its a jail with punitive misssion. It's not meant to be a hotel. Also the Sheriff should seek programs, policies that encourage the inmate to see the error of their ways and desire to make personal changes in their life to be a contributer to society rather than a predator. inmates are to be treated with dignity and respect yet not coddled or priveleged.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FJB View Post
    In reality the police and sheriff departments write tickets to provide a source of revenue for our society that is turning extremely liberal to the point of socialism.

    I think the cops deserve respect for the hardest jobs they do, but I don't know a single one who would stand up and refuse to write BS traffic tickets because they know it's being ordered for a revenue source.

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    I know what you mean. I can go for a while on those topics. they get into some fundamental things. I am interested in running for the position of Sheriff.(not your jurisdiction) And want to tap into the heart of what the people think. one thought is that the Sheriff should encourage the deputies to use discretion wisely and not be beguiled by the bureaucrat fat cats that have an agenda.

    Is this a true statement regarding corrections: The sheriff is not running a day care its a jail with punitive misssion. It's not meant to be a hotel. Also the Sheriff should seek programs, policies that encourage the inmate to see the error of their ways and desire to make personal changes in their life to be a contributer to society rather than a predator. inmates are to be treated with dignity and respect yet not coddled or priveleged.

    I respect you! You are running a great scam here,I thought I was good but you are da man.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FJB View Post
    Most Law Enforcement organizations have become a tool for opression. Yes they are needed for the worst crimes but in the interim they become a tool for our politicians to harass and tax the public. In reality the police and sheriff departments write tickets to provide a source of revenue for our society that is turning extremely liberal to the point of socialism.

    I think the cops deserve respect for the hardest jobs they do, but I don't know a single one who would stand up and refuse to write BS traffic tickets because they know it's being ordered for a revenue source.

    The big question is: When push eventually gets to shove and civil unrest erupts because people have been taxed enough and had their civil liberties infringed upon to the point of revolt, which side will law enforcement take?

    Remember that government can't take your liberties if they have no-one to force the public into compliance.
    This occurred in 1860, on the federal level. good men chose both ways. The veterans revolt after the WWI is another example of the government turning on it's citizens. WWI vets were cut down by federal 'police"

    On the deputy level I find it hard to beleive that ALL are on the take and racist and follow boss hogg around to do his bidding for personal gain. In Seneca coutny some of the deps did that now the Sheriff and undersheriff are going to prison for it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cgoodsp466 View Post
    Yes Dorthy this is Kansas.What a crock of crap,have you ever been in a afterhours Cop bar. I have and belive me its all about them.The good old days of that badge meaning somthing are gone.I for one was sad to see it happen.
    I am disturbed by this event as you tell it. All I can say is cops are people too. they have failings and frailties. It is sad to say that being a police officer has stopped being a calling to serve and more just a job for some.

    Their are those who don't go to bars and use their position indecently. I am sad to say there are those who do. Cops by personality can be alpha type. to a dgree we need that take charge and do battle mentality. But some don't have the temperance to stop.

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    I respect you! You are running a great scam here,I thought I was good but you are da man.

    No I am a guy who lives many counties away from you. I have asperations to be a Sheriff of the county I reside in. I have LE background etc etc. I have some baggage of my own. as the time draws closer I will reveal who I am. But for now i am doing research and trying to learn so i can be a GOOD sheriff. Cops get a bad rap. some deserve it and some don't the problem is it's hard to tell which ones unless you get to know them personally
    No scam here.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TheQ127 View Post
    A police officer takes an oath and is sworn to uphold the laws to protect the people of the community they serve.
    This has so many meaning that, I wonder why you just focus on the "hidden tax" of ticket writing; what about the other so called "hidden taxes" of costs of a simple form, or building codes, etc., (so numerous to express with this writing)? It's the elected officials who need to govern the will of the people and reduce spending and "hidden taxes" where possible. If a law enforcement officer were to be in a situation of protecting the "people-majority" .Vs a minority of self righteous people, including politicians, then I know that the police would protect the rights of these people in the majority!!
    You pose a dilemma that can not be answered in generalities. as is All cops will or All cops wont. A cop has to make determinations every day that consider the ethics of matters. Doing what is right is the goal of cops i know. But usually at least one person is going to be mad at him because he didn't get justice in his mind. The cops take the heat for that.
    this arguement of choosing the majority over the minority and working for the man isn't a big problem. it is a problem just not as big as people think. Cops are taxpayers, family men single parents people who have been kicked around by the system they have sworn to protect. Not the stereo type you have put forward.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cadphael View Post
    I am disturbed by this event as you tell it. All I can say is cops are people too. they have failings and frailties. It is sad to say that being a police officer has stopped being a calling to serve and more just a job for some.

    Their are those who don't go to bars and use their position indecently. I am sad to say there are those who do. Cops by personality can be alpha type. to a dgree we need that take charge and do battle mentality. But some don't have the temperance to stop.

    Drink and bragg about all the DUI stops they make. Go to Curlys in Auburn some Night.

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