If you were Sheriff...

[Cgoodsp466]

hummmm and you needed to sell these items to the cop, why? What were they going to do?? Did you ever think of reporting them to their supervisors? No, sounds like you whimped out, just like you are now when you say you violate the laws of the land, I bet ya cheat on your wife and gamble away your wages so that your family has to live on welfare etc.,
Get a life ya bum!

Not married,Work hard dont choose to live in your police state world.Most of the wife beaters are cops.I guess its all that stress.The law of the land spoken like one of them. Have a great life I know I will.

[TheQ127]

"this thread is about what I can do to make a good Sheriff in my area. I want to hear about what works in your area. Your thoughts on programs cost savings etc. I can go all day on the good cop bad cop thing."


...What qualities it takes to make a good sheriff in your area, if I were you, I wouldn't run for/apply for or consider the position. To ask the general public how "a law enforcement position is ran" isn't realistic because civilians don't have the experience, knowledge or training, something I think you also don't have.

[Cadphael]

If you want some advice, consider Sheriff Joe Arpaio, as someone with good ideas.

http://www.mcso.org/

Thanks. That's the Arizona sheriff? I know some of what he has been doing and i like it. I'll do some more research on him Thanks.

[Cadphael]

sherrif should work with the courts, guard the prisons and holding center. let the local cops do traffic. and tell any town that does not have police to hire some quick.

there is a push to consolidate services in my area. we have State police, County deputies and villages have police dept.s The arguement goes: why pay for three forces for the same area. Consolidate services and save money. That is sound ideaology. I have trouble seeing how that would practically work. Any thoughts?

[Cadphael]

"this thread is about what I can do to make a good Sheriff in my area. I want to hear about what works in your area. Your thoughts on programs cost savings etc. I can go all day on the good cop bad cop thing."


...What qualities it takes to make a good sheriff in your area, if I were you, I wouldn't run for/apply for or consider the position. To ask the general public how "a law enforcement position is ran" isn't realistic because civilians don't have the experience, knowledge or training, something I think you also don't have.

Police knowledge would be helpful in a police department. But it is an administrative position. management budget etc. The other stuff can be managed by the real cops Lieutenants, sgt's etc. The DA's provide the legal advice on cases. As far as citizens not knowing is obsurd. Citizens are who the sheriff serves so i think a quality of a good sheriff is to hear the people and represent them on the qway they want things run. It's their money. also in a republic which we are, have the courage to do what is right even when the loudest citizens are throwing stones.

[Cadphael]

Thanks Sargent Preston. Years ago I owned a Auto parts store and all The coppers that came in always said Oh I am a Cop for ?Whats my price. Dont lecture me.

Some cops i know won't even take free coffee or eat donuts because of the way things "used to be." Unfortunately some other cops I know are drunks, and tin businesses for services. It's like any other profession. There is a percentager of people who honor the job and there are those who exploit there position; i.e. ENRON, Insider Trading, congressman, Legislators, public works department guys take gravel and use the equipment on their farms. Every profession has corruption to one degree or another because some people are naughty and others are not. it just sticks out more cause the cops have a position of community trust unlike most other professions. it is not just to lump all cops into the 1% (paul harvey Poem) that dishonors the badge. Now back to the real purpose of this thread. What can I do to make a good sheriff? The Arpaio, maricopa Cty website is nice. Thanks for that.

[TheQ127]

Some cops i know won't even take free coffee or eat donuts because of the way things "used to be." Unfortunately some other cops I know are drunks, and tin businesses for services. It's like any other profession. There is a percentager of people who honor the job and there are those who exploit there position; i.e. ENRON, Insider Trading, congressman, Legislators, public works department guys take gravel and use the equipment on their farms. Every profession has corruption to one degree or another because some people are naughty and others are not. it just sticks out more cause the cops have a position of community trust unlike most other professions. it is not just to lump all cops into the 1% (paul harvey Poem) that dishonors the badge. Now back to the real purpose of this thread. What can I do to make a good sheriff? The Arpaio, maricopa Cty website is nice. Thanks for that.

Don't try. I believe you would not possess the qualities necessary to be a sheriff good or bad.

Try some other career or what ever you do now...enough all ready!

[Cadphael]

Don't try. I believe you would not possess the qualities necessary to be a sheriff good or bad.

Try some other career or what ever you do now...enough all ready!

I am sorry i don't accept private messages. I heard that there is a way to get someones IP address by PM'ing. So I err on the side of caution. Thanks for your input. I understand that you would value a Sheriff who is or had been in Law enforcement. What programs , in your mind, work or don't work?

[TheQ127]

I am sorry i don't accept private messages. I heard that there is a way to get someones IP address by PM'ing. So I err on the side of caution. Thanks for your input. I understand that you would value a Sheriff who is or had been in Law enforcement. What programs , in your mind, work or don't work?

How about an open door policy so all know who you are, so don't hide behind the IP address excuse! Enough from you want to be, your attempt at this has failed.

[Eat My Gun]

A police officer takes an oath and is sworn to uphold the laws to protect the people of the community they serve.
This has so many meaning that, I wonder why you just focus on the "hidden tax" of ticket writing; what about the other so called "hidden taxes" of costs of a simple form, or building codes, etc., (so numerous to express with this writing)? It's the elected officials who need to govern the will of the people and reduce spending and "hidden taxes" where possible. If a law enforcement officer were to be in a situation of protecting the "people-majority" .Vs a minority of self righteous people, including politicians, then I know that the police would protect the rights of these people in the majority!!

A police officer's oath of office generally encompasses four things
1. An oath to defend the US Constitution
2. An oath to defend the state constitution
3. An oath to uphold the law
4. An oath to "protect and serve"

Problems arise when any of these four aspects of the oath conflict with one another.

Remember the cops down south who were hosing down black folks, beating them, and running them away from polling places during the civil rights movement? They were upholding the law and enforcing the will of the majority, but certainly weren't abiding by the constitution.

The "duty to enforce the law" is nothing more than a cop out used by officers who shrink from their moral obligation NOT to enforce any laws that run contrary to fundamental constitutional principles.

Seat belt laws, helmet laws, drug laws, prostitution laws, many building codes, and even most aspects of domestic violence and family law clearly violate the constitution. Such laws should not be enforced even if majority of the populations supports them.

[Cadphael]

Most Law Enforcement organizations have become a tool for opression. Yes they are needed for the worst crimes but in the interim they become a tool for our politicians to harass and tax the public. In reality the police and sheriff departments write tickets to provide a source of revenue for our society that is turning extremely liberal to the point of socialism.

I think the cops deserve respect for the hardest jobs they do, but I don't know a single one who would stand up and refuse to write BS traffic tickets because they know it's being ordered for a revenue source.

The big question is: When push eventually gets to shove and civil unrest erupts because people have been taxed enough and had their civil liberties infringed upon to the point of revolt, which side will law enforcement take?

Remember that government can't take your liberties if they have no-one to force the public into compliance.

I disagree with you mostly...but given it's your obsevations What is our solution?

[Cadphael]

A police officer's oath of office generally encompasses four things
1. An oath to defend the US Constitution
2. An oath to defend the state constitution
3. An oath to uphold the law
4. An oath to "protect and serve"

Problems arise when any of these four aspects of the oath conflict with one another.

Remember the cops down south who were hosing down black folks, beating them, and running them away from polling places during the civil rights movement? They were upholding the law and enforcing the will of the majority, but certainly weren't abiding by the constitution.

The "duty to enforce the law" is nothing more than a cop out used by officers who shrink from their moral obligation NOT to enforce any laws that run contrary to fundamental constitutional principles.

Seat belt laws, helmet laws, drug laws, prostitution laws, many building codes, and even most aspects of domestic violence and family law clearly violate the constitution. Such laws should not be enforced even if majority of the populations supports them.

Wow. You present a real moral dilemma for us/me. I don't have the time or the space to address everything you have put forward. But Given that as a Sheriff I might be in a position to start the change you are saying needs to be acccomplished; what are you looking for in a Sheriff that would help to advance The Federal consitution, The state constitution, all laws and protect the country from enemies foreign and "domestic"?

Secondly, our political system is for the majority to rule. our laws at least in the beginning were grounded in the Judeo-Christian heritage. Truth is not subjective or relative. The constitution is a work of man the wisdom of Godly men yet subject to error as it is from man. God's law stands forever.

your posts are about something else more than civil rights movement 50 years ago. you struggle with bitterness and I fear you are going to end up on soem scret police watch list and i'll get dragged into cause I am talking to you.

Again, All that authority stuff being bad etc etc aside...what can i do to make a good sheriff? You have only advised me nio to run. Isn't that running away---the easy way.. Just guive up and not fight. Making a positve change isn't always about winning" Gregory House M.D.

As if someone asks me to hose down some black folks I would want to be certain is wasn't just cause they were black or just being civilly disobedient. The people I am employed with wouldn't do it.

Goodnight

[FJB]

I disagree with you mostly...but given it's your obsevations What is our solution?

What do you disagree with? Do you deny that the cops are used mainly to provide a revenue source for the townships? If its not, then why do the town prosecutors do anything possible to lower the offenses to parking tickets so the revenue remains in the town?

Several years ago I went to that driving lecture that gives you points to get money off your insurance. The cops who ran the thing explained just how much money was being filtered back into the town by parking tickets that were decreased from traffic tickets. It was meant to show how many more offences were occurring than in the past but it ultimately showed just how much the town was benefiting from writing tickets.

[Cadphael]

What do you disagree with? Do you deny that the cops are used mainly to provide a revenue source for the townships? If its not, then why do the town prosecutors do anything possible to lower the offenses to parking tickets so the revenue remains in the town?

Several years ago I went to that driving lecture that gives you points to get money off your insurance. The cops who ran the thing explained just how much money was being filtered back into the town by parking tickets that were decreased from traffic tickets. It was meant to show how many more offences were occurring than in the past but it ultimately showed just how much the town was benefiting from writing tickets.

There seems to be several elements raped in your statement. The primary purpose of Law Enforcement is to suppress bad behavior. I.e. parkinginfractions etc. Thegoal of the cop is to manage the parking in an area. But the legislative entity for the town originally used sur charges to help with the clerical and business expenses. Now it i a revenue genrating idea. The key is to always obey the rules and not give in to the man when he jacks the prices up. The second remedy is to vote for represenatives who understand the surcharge is rediculously high.


I write less than 10% of the cars I stop. I think that is a good way to perform my job allow discretion and teach love for law and order etc. It seems to be effective. On mother's day i gave out flowers. On Thanks giving I gave out gords instead of tickets. It was fun and I think the people thought i was weird but were grateful for the break.
Cadphel-

[FJB]

Sounds like you might be the only cop I have heard about recently that cares more about the community then about their quota's. Unfortunately your in the minority.