Where's The Consistency?

[Mindcrime]

When 98 percent of Catholics use birth control, why is Obama in hot water for making sure insurance covers it?

...I was disappointed to see the progressive Catholic E.J. Dionne, whom I really admire, accuse President Obama of throwing his Catholic allies “under the bus” by insisting that federal health insurance regulations requiring contraceptive coverage apply to Catholic institutions, if they employ non-Catholics. Note that the administration is OK with church-run institutions that only employ Catholics prohibiting contraception coverage. It simply won’t let the church impose its teachings on non-Catholics. This shouldn’t be a controversial decision.

Let’s make a couple of things clear here. Obviously, the law won’t force Catholics to use contraception. And 98 percent of Catholics already practice birth control (and not the “natural family planning” kind), according to the Alan Guttmacher Institute. It’s not as though Catholics are an endangered minority of true believers being forced to transgress a fervently held and widely practiced church rule. This battle is over a Catholic Church teaching that even Catholics ignore almost unanimously.

The administration’s requirement comes from the Institute of Medicine within the National Academy of Sciences, which considers contraception access part of a total healthcare plan that brings down maternal and infant mortality rates. The government sets minimal basic standards for the benefits and safety conditions employers must provide to employees. What if Catholic hospitals and universities and public agencies objected to occupational safety rules for doctrinal reasons? Child labor laws? Would people argue they should be exempt from those regulations? Of course not.

Now Catholic bishops are urging priests and parishes to rise up against the Obama administration’s alleged violation of religious freedom. It’s bad enough that men with no credibility on the issue of sexuality get to tell their fellow Catholics what to do. They do not get to tell the American president what to do...

Perhaps the Church should stop competing for and accepting Government contracts (and money) in return for providing Social Services. Then it wouldn't be subject to government requirements that it treat its employees like adults.

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[nogods]

You expect reasoning from the unreaonable?

Reminds of the Pre-Cana conferences before I got married. When we were told we couldn't use artificial means of birth control and were given information on the allowable natural methods I asked "what's not artificial about a glass tube filed with mercury as opposed to latex?" The priest just ignored the question. You'd think I asked whether Jesus masturbated.

[WNYresident]

Insurance should not be made to cover birth control. Just as insurance should not cover purely cosmetic surgery. I don't mean when someone is burnt or an accident. I mean face peels, tummy tucks and items that are completely not health related.

Perhaps the Church should stop competing for and accepting Government contracts (and money) in return for providing Social Services. Then it wouldn't be subject to government requirements that it treat its employees like adults.

If one group of people can supply services for less and do it as well it's fine. Specially since others are forces to pay for the services.

An adult can pay for their own birth control.

[Frank Broughton]

Perhaps the Church should stop competing for and accepting Government contracts (and money) in return for providing Social Services. Then it wouldn't be subject to government requirements that it treat its employees like adults.

I agree with this. No way churches (so called) should be receiving money from any government.

[Frank Broughton]

You expect reasoning from the unreaonable?

Reminds of the Pre-Cana conferences before I got married. When we were told we couldn't use artificial means of birth control and were given information on the allowable natural methods I asked "what's not artificial about a glass tube filed with mercury as opposed to latex?" The priest just ignored the question. You'd think I asked whether Jesus masturbated.

Your words show you to be a personified JERK! Can you please stop your idiotic posting in this forum - take it to a forum that talks about sewers for that is what most of what you say is about - SEWAGE! Your words are revolting! Please....

[Dougles]

This is nothing but a power grab by this Admin. It's like the bully on the school playground, it wants to take town the next biggest kid to make sure no one will questions it authority.

But let's be honest, this is unconstitutional and will be overrulled.

[equinox]

Why don't they let Catholic employers have a waiver so they wouldn't have to cover contraceptives and the "morning after pill" and let the people who work for the Catholic employers buy those pharmaceuticals for themselves if they want them? If they have a job that provides medical insurance as a fringe benefit, they should be able to afford it.

[nogods]

Your words show you to be a personified JERK! Can you please stop your idiotic posting in this forum - take it to a forum that talks about sewers for that is what most of what you say is about - SEWAGE! Your words are revolting! Please....

In other words, you can't posit a reasoned difference between a thermometer and latex. neither can the church. that's why their position on the issue is not worthy of serious consideration.

[Frank Broughton]

In other words, you can't posit a reasoned difference between a thermometer and latex. neither can the church. that's why their position on the issue is not worthy of serious consideration.

That is not what I am talking about and you know it. I am the last person on earth that would attempt to defend the many errors of the RCC. I said what I said for a reason and it is plan for all to see. You have no class.

[nogods]

That is not what I am talking about and you know it. I am the last person on earth that would attempt to defend the many errors of the RCC. I said what I said for a reason and it is plan for all to see. You have no class.

Ye, he whose ears burn the most from truth are in most need of truth. For their heart has become calloused; they hardly hear with their ears, and they have closed their eyes. Otherwise they might see with their eyes, hear with their ears, understand with their hearts and turn, and I would heal them.

NoGods: 13:15

[Dougles]

Why don't they let Catholic employers have a waiver so they wouldn't have to cover contraceptives and the "morning after pill" and let the people who work for the Catholic employers buy those pharmaceuticals for themselves if they want them? If they have a job that provides medical insurance as a fringe benefit, they should be able to afford it.

... they allowed Islamic organizations opt out...

[Frank Broughton]

Ye, he whose ears burn the most from truth are in most need of truth. For their heart has become calloused; they hardly hear with their ears, and they have closed their eyes. Otherwise they might see with their eyes, hear with their ears, understand with their hearts and turn, and I would heal them.

NoGods: 13:15

You ain't even close to making sense on what I called you out for. I think for the first time in 20 plus years of online activity you qualify to go on the ignore list - yes indeed.

[Frank Broughton]

This message is hidden because nogods is on your ignore list.

Perfect....

[leftWNYbecauseofBS]

But let's be honest, this is unconstitutional and will be overrulled.

True.

Don't get me wrong..the RCC decided a long time ago to cozy up to the Labor/Socialist tendencies of the Democratic party in an effort to get a seat at the table. Now that that very same party has essentially said FU...it is hard to feel sorry for the RCC on this. At this is coming from a Catholic.

With that being said it is going to get struck down by the courts and I am going to enjoy the theater in all of this.

[Mindcrime]

And to think, the Right Wing demonized JFK because they were terrified he'd "take orders" from the Vatican.
Now look