Dan Warren is wonderful, he is the only one that has the guts to fight this corruption. West Seneca needs more Dan Warren's.Originally Posted by TheLegendKiller
You're so far the only person with no substance. I would think you were Piotrowski, but he cant use a computer. Maybe you are Linda Kauderer....
I think the people who should be thanked are the ones who get up at the town board meeting and questioned the council on what they are doing and not doing. These are the real watchdogs for West Seneca. They aren't wasting taxpayers dollars with stupid law suits. He is costing us thousand of dollars and not helping anything. If we had any more Dan Warrens running around, we would be bankrupt.
Ok OP, you want substance, here you go. On June 23, 2008, Piotrowski’s first few months in office, he attempted to get AmeriCorps out of West Seneca, but was denied.
West Seneca Town Board Meeting Minutes 06/23/2008
22. Supervisor Piotrowski re Merger of W.S. Recreation Department & W.S. Youth Bureau
Motion by Supervisor Piotrowski, seconded by Councilwoman Meegan, to direct the Town Attorney to process with the NYS Office of Children & Family Services the merger of the West Seneca Recreation Department and the West Seneca Youth Bureau.
On the question, Supervisor Piotrowski stated that last year the voters in West Seneca elected three new board members and the message he got was that they were fed up with high taxes and wanted a change in government. No savings was too little and he thought if each department in town gave something back they could make up the deficit they would have in 2008, and in 2009 they would not have to increase taxes. Supervisor Piotrowski stated that the Comptroller and the town’s auditor were sending the board members warnings and they should heed those warnings. The residents wanted reform and he was conveying ideas that he heard from the residents of the town concerning reforms that were necessary. The budget process did not begin in the fall; it took place all year long. In 2008 there were several problems they were trying to address that would result in a deficit. The first problem was that last year’s Town Board budgeted $3.9 million for health insurance, although they knew in July that the bill would be $4.4 million, leaving a half million dollar deficit to make up. There was also a claim for the 2005 storm that was already paid and property rent that went unaccounted for. In 2009, labor costs will increase $443,000 and insurance costs will go up at least $400,000 according to the town’s auditor. Without any cost savings, they were looking at a tax increase to make up the $800,000 difference. Supervisor Piotrowski noted that merging the Recreation Department and Youth Bureau was previously accomplished in Cheektowaga and Tonawanda, and Amherst was also completing the same merger. The current salary of the Youth Director was $80,000 of which the town was reimbursed 40 percent by NYS for $31,000. The current salary of the Recreation Director was $67,000 and if they merged the two positions, the savings from NYS would be $26,000 which would be enough to pay for an assistant to administer the programs. Supervisor Piotrowski stated that the 2008 budget for the Youth Bureau was $323,000 and the residents and taxpayers were concerned about where that money was going. The town receives $72,000 in reimbursements from the school district and NYS, thereby leaving a difference of $250,000 that is spent on programs. The peer counseling and YES programs are good programs and the town would be continuing them, but they needed to cap overtime expenses. There was also a question with Erie County Personnel because the two employees in these positions were carrying two titles, and that was not permitted under Civil Service Law. Supervisor Piotrowski referred to other issues in town, such as conditions at the Ice Rink, the library wanting more space, the Police Department needing more space, the poor condition of the Recreation Building, and the heating and air conditioning system at Town Hall. He suggested moving the Building & Plumbing Department, Engineering Department, and Emergency Services Department to the Burchfield Center and retaining the Burchfield Foundation there also. The first floor of Town Hall would then be available for the Police Department, and the Town Board would not have to go to the residents for an over $2 million bond issue to construct an addition. The balance on the Burchfield Center bond was $391,000 as of December of this year and they could not find a building to rehabilitate or construct for this amount and at the same time solve the Police Department’s problems. In future years they could budget the prisoner elevators and secure transport areas Chief Gehen was requesting.
Councilwoman Meegan commented that Mark Lazzara held the titles of Youth Bureau Director, AmeriCorps Director and School Board President, and while his efforts were commendable, she thought he was spreading himself too thin and did not see how he could hold all three titles effectively.
Ayes: (2) Councilwoman Meegan, Supervisor Piotrowski
Noes: (3) Councilwoman Bove, Councilman Clarke, Councilman Graber
Motion DeniedAmericorps and all of the nonsense could have ended right then and there, thanks to Piotrowski, but then this happened…23. Supervisor Piotrowski re Termination of AmeriCorps rental of Burchfield building
Motion by Councilman Graber, seconded by Supervisor Piotrowski, to terminate the rental by AmeriCorps of the Burchfield Building on December 31, 2008.
On the question, Councilman Graber stated that he made this motion only for the purpose of opening discussion on this item.
Supervisor Piotrowski stated that the AmeriCorps program currently paid $75,000 in rent to the town. There was space available at the Southgate Plaza for $20,000, other locations available for $16,000, and free space also available at the HSBC building on Seneca Street or Cazenovia Parkway for them to do their excellent and fine work in West Seneca, WNY, and the United States. Supervisor Piotrowski commented that he was elected by the residents to save taxpayer dollars and the difference between $75,000 and zero was quite significant. Mr. Lazzara was quite successful with the AmeriCorps program and would continue to be much more successful in the future, but he did not need the Town of West Seneca to financially prop up his organization. Mr. Lazzara could make much more in salary as a stand alone, not-for-profit organization and Supervisor Piotrowski was willing to help with the transition. The Town Comptroller and town auditor both looked into the financial circumstances of AmeriCorps and had prepared a memorandum with their findings.
So Piotrowski and Bielecki questioned this so called agreement, commented on the debt that AmeriCorps already owed and questioned item number 10 on the so-called Grant Administration Agreement which contractually bound the town pay over to Americorps money in advance without documentation. The motion was also amended to authorize Christina Bove to execute this, not the Supervisor, Comptroller or Town Attorney, which was common place.Motion by Councilman Graber, seconded by Councilwoman Bove, to amend the motion and enter into a grant administration agreement dated June 23, 2008 between the Town of West Seneca and not-for-profit company WNY AmeriCorps Fund Inc., whereby the not-for-profit agrees to assume the town’s obligation under the grants and authorize Councilwoman Bove to execute the agreement on behalf of the town. On the question, Supervisor Piotrowski questioned if Town Attorney Edwin Hunter had reviewed the agreement.
Mr. Hunter responded that he only heard about the agreement late this afternoon. He questioned who prepared the agreement and thought the recitals were lacking information. One of the recitals mentioned that the town had established partnerships with numerous other agencies, municipalities and not-for-profit organizations to meet the cash and in-kind requirements of the grants. These were stated to be in excess of $1,700,000 for each, both cash and in-kind. He questioned what the partnerships were and who they were with, noting that there was no mention in the contract. Mr. Hunter further stated that he was provided a copy of the agreement at this meeting and did not have the opportunity to review it in its entirety.
Councilwoman Bove questioned if Deputy Town Attorney Paul Notaro had an opportunity to review the grant administration agreement.
Mr. Notaro responded that Councilwoman Bove had contacted him this date and they went over a number of the items in the agreement. He supported the idea of the agreement, but thought there were some items that needed to be addressed before the document was signed. Mr. Notaro had some concern because they were not looking at the actual grant documents that had certain obligations for the town as far as providing space and other obligations because they were a party to the original grant. They needed to address these things because they could not just cancel a grant with the federal government or New York State. There were nine grants and two were ending this year. Mr. Notaro thought the basis of the agreement satisfied Supervisor Piotrowski’s desire to release the town of some of the burdens of the AmeriCorps program, but they could not ignore the burdens that the grant placed on the town that they could not avoid.
Councilwoman Bove questioned if the Town of West Seneca was contractually obligated to the federal and state government to at least the year 2011 by contract.
Mr. Notaro understood that the grants were through December 31, 2010 so the town would be obligated until then.
Mr. Hunter stated that they had not reviewed the grants, but there might be a means of contacting federal and state agencies to see if they would consent to the town being removed from responsibility on the grant and allow AmeriCorps to undertake full responsibility and fulfill the obligations. They would have to review the grants, but they also did not know anything about the other partnerships.
Councilwoman Bove questioned if Supervisor Piotrowski had read the grants.
Supervisor Piotrowski stated that he had not reviewed the grants. They were in the AmeriCorps building and he did not have access to them. The AmeriCorps was a private entity and they did not control the grant funds. Supervisor Piotrowski noted that the town had lent over $2 million to the AmeriCorps program and there was a delinquency in payments. The termination dates for each of the grants was between August 2008 and December 2010. Councilman Graber questioned Supervisor Piotrowski’s statement that the town lent over $2 million to the AmeriCorps program.
Comptroller Robert Bielecki responded that the town advanced payment through the payment of bills in excess of the amount received on the grants, close to $2,100,000 as of June 19, 2008.
Councilman Graber stated that Erie County advances $60 million a year for grant money they will receive from the state and federal government. This is totally put on the shoulders of the taxpayers because they know that during the reconciliation period all monies will be paid in full. Councilman Graber commented that advancing money was a way of doing business.
Mr. Bielecki stated that as of December 31, 2006 the advance was over $1 million, as of December 31, 2007 the advance was over $1,600,000 and on June 20, 2008 the advance had grown to $2,095,000. This was money the town was losing interest on and money that was growing exponentially. Mr. Bielecki thought that this situation should be brought under control.
Councilman Graber questioned at what interest rate the town could invest that money that would be a safe investment.
Mr. Bielecki responded that the money could be invested at 4 percent.
Councilman Graber stated that when the Town Board voted 15 years ago to commence the AmeriCorps program, no one ever imagined that it would become what it is today. In 2007, 461 AmeriCorps members provided 3420 hours of service, 17,312 volunteers were recruited and provided 234,496 hours of service, 66 non-profit partnerships, and 263 sites received AmeriCorps service. The Town of West Seneca’s share was $340,000 in 2007 and the total financial impact for 2007 was $23,450,000. Councilman Graber commented that the City of Buffalo, Town of Cheektowaga, and many other others would love to have AmeriCorps located in their municipality. The proposed agreement puts the burden of raising $3.5 million on the shoulders of WNY AmeriCorps, none of it is the responsibility of West Seneca taxpayers. They will be paying the town $75,000 towards facility costs to remain at the Burchfield Nature & Art Center. There will be 20 non-Civil Service full-time employees transferred from the town to the not-for-profit. The not-for-profit will be responsible for all vehicles and insurance, including providing a car for Executive Director Mark Lazzara. He was taking on the responsibility and did not want the town to pay for his vehicle any longer, the grant money would pay for it. The not-for-profit will provide the town with $1 million worth of insurance and the town’s only obligation was a pass through, advancing money during the reconciliation period. The taxpayers of West Seneca will pay nothing and in return WNY will receive over $20 million.
Councilwoman Meegan stated that Mr. Lazzara was giving up his car because the board members had discussed this issue with him. She had spoken to him months ago about the insurance on all the vehicles that the town was paying $14,000 to $18,000 annually, the building insurance, and taking care of their payroll and mailings.
Councilman Graber agreed with Councilwoman Meegan and stated that this was what the agreement was all about. The new Town Board began analyzing AmeriCorps and the Youth Bureau and they found that there was no clear separation. Many things were addressed in the agreement that Supervisor Piotrowski and Councilwoman Meegan were adamant about.
Councilwoman Bove thought the agreement was fair to the town and fair to AmeriCorps. She commented that there were many more issues in the town that they had to face and they would face them together as a community.
Supervisor Piotrowski referred to Paragraph #10 and questioned if the town was required to pay the amounts listed on the schedule each month to the AmeriCorps program or if it would be a line of credit.
Councilman Graber stated that it was the same as they had been doing in the past, the town pays the bills and is eventually reimbursed by the grant. The town advances the money and receives payment in the end. In all likelihood, the amount of money paid by the town on a monthly basis will begin to decrease up until December 2010. Any new grants will be entirely in the hands of WNY AmeriCorps. The agreement will take them to the end when there will be a total separation.
Mr. Bielecki stated that since January 1, 2008 when AmeriCorps owed the town $1.6 million, the town only collected $361,000. He looked at this as a line of credit, and most funding sources with a line of credit would like to see it go to zero at least once a year. This line of credit had grown exponentially from 2006 through this date, and it could go to $3 million by the end of the year.
Councilwoman Bove suggested that the Comptroller’s Office work with the AmeriCorps to get the money back in. If the claims have already been done, it was up to the Comptroller’s Office and AmeriCorps to get this accomplished.
Supervisor Piotrowski questioned when the vehicles would be transferred to AmeriCorps.
Councilman Graber responded that the vehicles would be transferred to AmeriCorps by August 1, 2008.
Supervisor Piotrowski questioned if the liability policy should be greater than $1 million to protect the town.
Mr. Hunter presumed that $1 million was a little light and there should probably be at least an umbrella to cover excess up to possibly $5 million.
Mr. Notaro agreed that the insurance should be high and thought that this amount could be worked out between he and Mr. Hunter before the document is signed.
Mr. Hunter noted that the town was making a representation at the end of the agreement that it had authority to enter into the agreement, but if the town executes the agreement at this time it may be in violation of its grant obligations. They could determine this by reviewing the grants, but the agreement should not be signed prior to reviewing them.
Ayes: All Noes: None Motion Carried
So we move onto the July 28 meeting where the residents questioned this agreement….
So this was not really an agreement, but a number of statements. The background recitals were missing, the town attorneys were still going through the grants, a list of grant partners were not available and a breakdown of in kind cash matches were not clear.West Seneca Town Board Meeting Minutes 07/28/2008
RESIDENT QUESTIONS ACTIONS ON YOUTH BUREAU/AMERICORPS ISSUE
Paula Minklei, Orchard Park Road, stated that last month’s Town Board meeting was chaotic and unclear and left her with many questions. Mrs. Minklei questioned why Council Members Bove, Clarke and Graber voted against combining the Youth Bureau with the Recreation Department. She commented that Supervisor Piotrowski spoke clearly on the question for the motion as a money saving move, but there was no discussion against it, just three noes. Mrs. Minklei questioned if the “no” votes had anything to do with how long the town was obligated to keep Mr. Lazzara as Youth Bureau Director under the merged requirements with AmeriCorps, and if so, when that requirement ended. She further noted that the town was expending $100,000 or more on the Youth Bureau Director if his benefits were factored in.
Councilman Graber stated that he didn’t agree with combining the Recreation Department and the Youth Bureau. They always had two separate department heads and he thought this was the most effective.
Councilwoman Bove stated that Mr. Lazzara was working with people in AmeriCorps as well as the Youth Bureau and the individuals at the Youth Bureau, such as the Peer Counselors, were constantly being aided by AmeriCorps people, so they had a good relationship. Because the salary Mr. Lazzara gets is really for both, there was no need to add an additional salary for someone else or give that work to someone not used to doing it. When something works well and the students work well with each other and it’s going along quite well, she did not see the need to break it. Councilwoman Bove thought there were some adults that had more empathy when working with youth and it promoted a fabulous atmosphere. She had talked to people within the Youth Bureau and found that aside from the financial part, there was a good working relationship and emotional tie and they were motivated to do even more on a daily basis. Because that works so well, it was a natural fit.
Mrs. Minklei questioned if Mr. Lazzara would continue as Youth Director as the town began to separate out from AmeriCorps.
Councilwoman Bove thought they would have to wait to see how this played out.
Councilman Graber commented that Mr. Lazzara had Civil Service protection as the Youth Director and traditionally when other towns merged the two, the Youth Director took control of the entire operation rather than the Recreation Director.
Mrs. Minklei questioned if the Recreation Director also had Civil Service protection.
Councilman Graber stated that the Recreation Director also had Civil Service protection, and in the past whenever the town tried to eliminate a job that had Civil Service protection the individual holding that position took the town to court and won. Councilman Graber further commented that the town received $27,000 from New York State each year to partially pay Mr. Lazzara’s salary.
Mrs. Minklei questioned the status of the Town of West Seneca/AmeriCorps agreement, if it had been reviewed and signed, was a copy available for public review, and why Councilwoman Bove was appointed to administer the agreement instead of the Town Attorney or Comptroller. She thought an appropriate department should oversee the legalities and keep board members up-to-date as each grant obligation changes.
Councilwoman Bove stated that Deputy Town Attorney Paul Notaro was working on the agreement with AmeriCorps and she did not know the status of it.
Town Attorney Edwin Hunter stated that Mr. Notaro had been collaborating with him on the agreement since shortly after the June 23rd meeting when the agreement was presented to the Town Board. The grant administration agreement was really not an agreement, it was a number of statements and it did not quite fit the term “agreement”. It was not complete and there were a number of open issues. On June 25th, Mr. Notaro had asked Mr. Lazzara for copies of the nine grants referenced in the attachment to the grant administration agreement and Mr. Hunter wrote to Mr. Lazzara on July 15th because they still had not received the copies. In his correspondence to Mr. Lazzara he stated that he understood the copies of the grants were going to be delivered to the Town Attorney’s office on July 15th and he thanked him for providing the information since neither the Town Attorney’s office nor the Comptroller’s office had copies of the grants. Mr. Hunter further stated in his correspondence to Mr. Lazzara that in the background recitals to the agreement, Mr. Lazzara indicated cash match requirements by the town from August 1, 2008 through completion of $1,705,770 and in-kind match requirements of $1,767,553. He asked Mr. Lazzara to provide a breakdown calculation of these amounts because he did not find them apparent from the agreement or the attachments thereto. Mr. Lazzara referenced the figures in the agreement, but there was no clear explanation. In looking at the documents and figures attached, it did not come up to the figures he quoted. The grant administration agreement indicated that the town had established partnerships with numerous other agencies, municipalities and not-for-profit organizations, what Mr. Lazzara calls grant partners, to meet the cash and in-kind requirements of the grants. The Town Attorney’s office was unable to locate any such partnerships or partnership agreements and Mr. Hunter asked Mr. Lazzara to forward copies of these, or if there were no written agreements regarding the partnerships to please explain their operation and who entered into the partnerships on behalf of the town. Mr. Hunter stated that as of this date he had not heard anything further and neither had Mr. Notaro. They had received the nine grants and Mr. Notaro was going through them, but there was a lot of information.
Mrs. Minklei questioned if the agreement would be available for public viewing when it was completed and signed.
Supervisor Piotrowski advised that the agreement was a public record and would be available for the public to review it.
Councilman Graber stated that it took a member of the Town Board to officially sign any action. Typically it was the Supervisor, but in this case they chose Councilwoman Bove. The Town Attorney always signs with the board member, but the Town Board was the sole responsible party to sign the official document.
Councilwoman Bove also noted that she was one of the liaisons to AmeriCorps and the Youth Bureau.
Mr. Hunter stated that Councilwoman Bove had been very close to the issue for a long time and was the logical person to sign the agreement.
Despite all of this, Christina Bove, not Supervisor Piotrowski, signed this agreement with AmeriCorps on August 5, 2008 with no further discussion. The Supervisor had no power over AmeriCorps after this. But why would Bove do this, after at the Reorganizational Meeting in January of that year, she said this…
But then to go back to July 28, she said…On the question, Councilwoman Bove stated she had questions on the salaries for the positions of Coordinator of Peer Counseling and Director of Youth Bureau. Because these positions are grouped together with the other departments, the vote will affect all titles and salaries. Mrs. Bove stated she would prefer to extract the Coordinator of Peer Counseling and Director of Youth Bureau positions from the group. It is unclear how the Director of Youth Bureau splits his town between the Youth Bureau and Americorps. Mrs. Bove stated she had problems in the past reaching Mr. Lazzara when he is out of state on an Americorps project and felt that if the Director of the Youth Bureau if receiving the salary indicated, he should be in town dealing with Youth Bureau matters alone. It was also her understanding that the School System also provides funding for Peer Counseling and questioned the significant amount of overtime submitted by the individuals in those positions.
On the question, Councilman Clarke stated he also had questions concerning those three positions with regard to salary and benefits.
On the question, Councilwoman Meegan noted that these positions are subject to review. The Town Board intends on reviewing each department and performing an audit to determine if any necessary change in salary is warranted.
Motion by Councilwoman Bove, seconded by Councilman Clarke, to amend the motion so that the each individual is voted on separately for appointment to their respective positions for the salary stipulated above.
Ayes: (2) Councilwoman Bove, Councilman Clarke
Noes: (3) Councilwoman Meegan, Councilman Graber, Supervisor Piotrowski
Motion Denied
So, why the flip flop?Councilwoman Bove stated that Mr. Lazzara was working with people in AmeriCorps as well as the Youth Bureau and the individuals at the Youth Bureau, such as the Peer Counselors, were constantly being aided by AmeriCorps people, so they had a good relationship. Because the salary Mr. Lazzara gets is really for both, there was no need to add an additional salary for someone else or give that work to someone not used to doing it. When something works well and the students work well with each other and it’s going along quite well, she did not see the need to break it.
Why appoint Bove to adminster and sign the agreement?
Why did no one know who wrote the agreement, even though it was Bove who passed it around to everyone?
And why is Dan Warren suing Supervisor Piotrowski and Comptroller Bielecki over this whole thing, when they were the ones questioning it and trying to stop it?
Enjoy explaining all of this folks!
Last edited by TheLegendKiller; August 29th, 2011 at 09:40 PM.
Grant Adminstration Agreement, signed by Bove on August 5, 2008
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I am sure that this will be debunked just like your they chose Eberle over Mingle when in reality it was Wiexlmann over Mingle crap, but as far as why I am suing to remove Piotrowski we covered that before:
“We in America do not have government by the majority. We have government by the majority who participate.” ― Thomas Jefferson
And it was authorized by a unanimous vote of the Town Board (i.e. even Wally voted for it).
“We in America do not have government by the majority. We have government by the majority who participate.” ― Thomas Jefferson
I am sure this will be debunked? That’s the best you got? These are board meeting, public record, minutes. How is this going to be debunked? Do we find out at long last that Pat DePasquale has had it out for Bove this whole time and recorded inaccurate minutes about what she said?
Usually you have some long winded legalese-filled reply to people’s objection. The fact that your responses have been very short and limited is very telling. The section of law you are looking at only applying to current officials is inconsequential when you are seeking to remove the wrong person. Going after Piotrowski because the officials who actually created this situation are no longer in office is insane.
And like Truth said above, the people that should be thanked are the citizens who stand up and ask questions at every meeting. Go back through the minutes and look, they asked about this all the time for years. Where were you then? If you truly are some watchdog for the people or whatever, you would have been alongside them years ago trying to stop this instead of punishing someone after the fact. It all makes me wonder why you are really doing this.
As far as Piotrowski voting in favor of the agreement, he wanted accountability and control put in place. In June he had no idea that Bove would sign the agreement in August with so many details ignored. Like I said earlier (funny how you don’t quote that) he was kept out of this whole process. He didn’t see the final agreement until it was signed and done. And if you are such a diligent protector of the people, why are you not looking at all of this stuff with Bove and questioning any of that? Again very telling.
Once more about the Mingle thing, Richard Mingle went to Dale inquiring about the full time position. Dale told him to get petitions signed to be considered. He got them signed, however was screwed over when Dale supported Tim Eberle for the job. The order with which they were voted on was inconsequential. Sheila wanted Wiexlmann so she made the motion for him first, then Eberle second. Wally’s objection came in the order it did because he had two points to make, one Richard Mingle should have gotten the job because he was most deserving and qualified, two the other position was not necessary as the union contract did not call for an extra person. That’s all there is to that.
If you don't see substance it's because you're not paying attention.
Let me be the master of the obvious...Not defending it and not correcting it are basically the same thing. You shouldn't have bothered doing either. You should have just ridiculed the premise like the rest of us. Is that a confusing concept for you?
Where does Ralphie get his minions? You guys are the gang that couldn't shoot straight.
As for DT not winning, try to explain to the rest of us why Ralphie would want the case sealed if he believes they won? I notice you conveniently avoided that, which is a pure coincidence, right?
Trying to correct something and trying to defend it are two different things, and those are your words not mine. If you thought they were the same thing, why bring up both? It's sad enough when you twist and confuse my statements, but now you are doing that to your own? Wow.
I would have been happy to ridicule the statements, however, they are incredibly defamtory and paints the Supervisor in a false light, and for anyone reading this, I believe they deserve and should (two different things) know the truth.
I didn't bother to explain why Ralph Lorigo would want the records sealed, because I have no reason to believe he would. I read through the transcript and I think it does more to damage Warren's case than anything. He was unable to prove a quid pro quo agreement actually took place. No harm, no foul.
I notice you conveniently avoid addressing any points I make and resort to creating your own argument to respond to.
If you are so awesome, answer these questions for me...
Why did Dan Warren wait so long to sue over this?
Why did his initial report only include the Comptroller's Report and omit all the above?
Why are only Piotrowski and Bielecki named in the suit and not Meegan and Clarke?
Why would Warren give copies of this report to Meegan, Clarke and Martin when he is suing the town?
Why do you automatically assume I am a Wally or Lorigo pawn when I simply correct false or misleading statements?
NO,,,,,,,it applies to all of them... ok maybe one is decent. Consolidation would decrease the need for the multiple layers.
Like in Cheektowaga. You ask the controlling powers anything at all about their labor contract and they know it to a T. You ask how the hovercraft purchase came about and you get multiple answers.
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In the context of the post, they are the same. Your attempt at correcting OP's ridiculous post was a defense/Your defense of Piotrowski was your attempt at correcting the post. Perhaps it's me that's confused, because I have no idea how you're missing that point, but oh well...
Anyone bright enough to read it would know it's a bunch of BS...well, almost anyone (wink wink).
So, why are they sealed then? Clearly Dan didn't ask for them to be sealed, so that leaves Piolorigoski. Unless you think the judge decided on his own to seal them for the hell of it?
This is the type of thing that earned you the name LogicKiller. If you want to play stupid, be my guest, but it's not a very productive way to make a point.
I wonder what point you think you made, or what you think I avoided? The premise of the thread is ridiculous. I don't believe that Piotrowski is responsible (solely) for the things OP tried to blame him for. Sure, he has a hand in some, but to put it all at his feet is stupid. Everyone makes mistakes, some things happened before he got there, and some things were out of his control. What "point" was i supposed to respond to?
Unlike you and Piotrowski, I can't read people's minds. I don't speak for DT's motivations, but I'm pretty sure he's answered those questions before when you puppets were told to ask them last time. It's not my fault that you didn't like the answers or lacked the capacity to address them.
So, you were just about to tell me why you're more concerned that Clarke may have been playing politics than you are at the possibility that his accusations about your guy are true...Begin.
You asked me why I didn’t address Ralph Lorigo wanting to have the report sealed. I told you I didn’t address it because I didn’t think it was true. You then respond by saying I am playing stupid because I didn’t respond with, “it was Wally.” Are we talking about Lorigo or Piotrowski? You call me the LogicKiller, but I don’t think you understand what logic is. You certainly have no idea what equivocation is as is evident by your posts.
The point of my questions, which you again avoided answering, and no, “I can’t read people’s minds” is not an answer, is to get to the root of Dan Warren’s motivation for this suit and to point out that it is entirely misplaced and a huge waste of tax payer money.
You all jump all over this thing, criticize Piotrowski for Warren’s claims, let’s say this somehow effected the election. Let’s say the Supervisor lost because of this, and then in January the whole thing is dismissed because it is utter nonsense. Would you be ok with that?
As far as Warren answering my questions, no he has not answered them, he ducks them, so I am going to keep asking them. If it turns out that Clarke and Meegan put him up to it to discredit him going into the election, then that’s fraud, a theft of tax payer money, and arrestable.
So you see child, I am not playing around. I take this very seriously and you really should be too. But if you must, continue with your name calling and putting words in my mouth. I really don’t care.
As far as Clarke, the accusations he made were false. It had more to do with him not knowing all of the information he needed to, and he still doesn’t understand. If you would like to list his accusations, I will respond to whatever you post and tell you why he is wrong.
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