Polls or Machine

[Velvet Fog]

So were the polls wrong that had Obama so far ahead or did the machine make sure Clinton won the New Hampshire Primary yesterday?

By machine I'm referring to the people/corporations/powers that be who control the U.S.

[CSense]

So were the polls wrong that had Obama so far ahead or did the machine make sure Clinton won the New Hampshire Primary yesterday?

By machine I'm referring to the people/corporations/powers that be who control the U.S.

I think a little of both. Did you know 6,000 Hillary workers descended on NH? That's a small town! They drove elderly people to and fro polling places. Not too mention the "non tears" scenario (real or fake). It excited women to vote, cause they came out in record numbers.

At the same time, I think the polls were actually more towards being a statistical tie.

[Velvet Fog]

I think a little of both. Did you know 6,000 Hillary workers descended on NH? That's a small town! They drove elderly people to and fro polling places. Not too mention the "non tears" scenario (real or fake). It excited women to vote, cause they came out in record numbers.

At the same time, I think the polls were actually more towards being a statistical tie.

Unfortunately, I think the machine is going to ensure a Hiliary victory.

[PaulJonson]

It was another pathetic turnout for the younger voters who when polled said they would vote Obama, but then never showed at the polls.

[Velvet Fog]

It was another pathetic turnout for the younger voters who when polled said they would vote Obama, but then never showed at the polls.

Was there an 85% turnout as CNN was claiming early on? Thats an extremely high number.

[PaulJonson]

Was there an 85% turnout as CNN was claiming early on? Thats an extremely high number.

From CNN:
http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/01/...lts/index.html

"Age is also playing a big factor -- older voters are overwhelmingly outnumbering younger voters -- a proportion that is clearly benefiting Clinton," Schneider said. "Sixty-seven percent of Democratic primary voters are over the age of 40, and they are breaking heavily for Clinton over Obama."

[Velvet Fog]

From CNN:
http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/01/...lts/index.html

"Age is also playing a big factor -- older voters are overwhelmingly outnumbering younger voters -- a proportion that is clearly benefiting Clinton," Schneider said. "Sixty-seven percent of Democratic primary voters are over the age of 40, and they are breaking heavily for Clinton over Obama."

The youth--18-30 yr olds have no idea just how important this election is for the country.

[Henry Hill]

The youth--18-30 yr olds have no idea just how important this election is for the country.

Of course they don't, and when Hillary gets elected, they'll be the biggest complainers.

[atotaltotalfan2001]

From CNN:
http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/01/...lts/index.html

"Age is also playing a big factor -- older voters are overwhelmingly outnumbering younger voters -- a proportion that is clearly benefiting Clinton," Schneider said. "Sixty-seven percent of Democratic primary voters are over the age of 40, and they are breaking heavily for Clinton over Obama."

Boy, I was really stunned by the outcome. I predicted Obama, and figured Hillary was toast.

And I believed Hillary's tears were genuine. Now I'm having second thoughts. I'm sure the sweep of Hillary workers into NH helped, but it can't possibly be the whole answer......

Is it possible Hillary actually is electable?

[PaulJonson]

The youth--18-30 yr olds have no idea just how important this election is for the country.

Is MTV still Rocking the Vote? Or have they given up on the youth too?

[Velvet Fog]

Boy, I was really stunned by the outcome. I predicted Obama, and figured Hillary was toast.

And I believed Hillary's tears were genuine. Now I'm having second thoughts. I'm sure the sweep of Hillary workers into NH helped, but it can't possibly be the whole answer......

Is it possible Hillary actually is electable?

I honestly believe we have no choice--all smoke and mirrors. They let us believe we actually have a voice.

[Velvet Fog]

Is MTV still Rocking the Vote? Or have they given up on the youth too?

MTV only rocks some bi sexual girl making out with guys and girls now. They have fuly sold out--but if I'm not mistaken their owned by one of the big 4 or 5 media outlets that control everything we see and hear.

[Henry Hill]

MTV only rocks some bi sexual girl making out with guys and girls now. They have fuly sold out--but if I'm not mistaken their owned by one of the big 4 or 5 media outlets that control everything we see and hear.

Agreed, MTV is too busy looking for the next reality show. I hear Real World 48 is going to be with animals from the Brooklyn Zoo.

[PaulJonson]

Is it possible Hillary actually is electable?

It just means that some people in NH think that she is slightly better than Obama.

[atotaltotalfan2001]

I honestly believe we have no choice--all smoke and mirrors. They let us believe we actually have a voice.

I disagree. You always have a choice. It's called casting your vote. You may not like how others cast their votes, but in the end, you will always have your right to cast a ballot as you see best.