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    Can You Believe This?

    This is seriously messed up!!! The U.S.A. is in trouble, folks. The concept of national security has been thrown out.

    Security concerns raised as China fills U.S. medicine chest


    By Tim Johnson, McClatchy Newspapers Thu Dec 6, 6:00 AM ET

    BEIJING — The medicine cabinet in the average U.S. home is filling with drugs made in China , and some experts say that could be a prescription for trouble.

    China's booming pharmaceutical industry has doubled exports to the United States in the past five years, undercutting competitors and making American consumers reliant on the safety of Chinese factories and captive to any disruptions in Sino-U.S. commerce.

    It might seem like merely a trade issue. But industry experts in Europe and the United States say national-security concerns are edging into the debate.

    Consider this scenario:

    If a major anthrax attack were to occur in the United States — larger than the one in 2001, when five people died— pharmaceutical companies that make the two antibiotics most suitable for treatment, Cipro and doxycycline, would have no choice but to rely on China or India for key ingredients once American stockpiles were exhausted. Those ingredients no longer are made in the West.

    A Portuguese company that ramped up doxycycline production in 2001 at Washington's request said China now controlled the flow of its crucial drug component.

    "If we were asked to do this again, we would be dependent on China providing us with key starting materials that are unavailable in the rest of the world," said Guy Villax, the chief executive of Hovione, a Lisbon -based fine chemicals company.

    The spectacular growth of China's pharmaceutical industry coincides with some equally huge problems. A kickback scandal ensnared China's State Food and Drug Administration and its chief in charges that they gave approval for bogus drugs, including a counterfeit antibiotic that left 13 people dead. Wary of rising public anger, the state issued a Draconian sanction: It executed the agency chief in July.

    Cases of tainted toothpaste, toys and pet food that have made global consumers wary of the "Made in China " label added urgency to a high-profile drug agency purge.

    Even so, China's $65 billion pharmaceutical industry is galloping at an annual growth rate of 24 percent in the first eight months of this year. Competitors say China's drug companies not only have low-cost advantages but also get a nearly free pass from U.S. drug regulators, who hold the screws to American companies— raising their costs significantly— but rarely inspect in China .

    China says it's a reliable source of safe medicine for its own citizens and export markets. At a news conference this week, the deputy drug agency chief, Wu Zhen , called on countries to work together to ensure a safe global supply chain of medicines.

    "To solve the drug safety problems, we need international cooperation," Wu said. "We hope to have . . . more cooperation, and less finger-pointing."

    China dominates more than just antibiotics. U.S. regulators license 714 plants in China to produce ingredients for over-the-counter, generic and prescription drugs for Americans. China has snagged a major share of the global sales of many vitamins, antibiotics, enzymes and painkillers. It makes a third of the world's acetaminophen, an over-the-counter pain medication. Acetaminophen is sold under many brand names, the best known of which is Tylenol, though Tylenol itself isn't made in China .

    This brings up another possible scenario:

    "Just suppose you are taking some cholesterol drug, and its intermediates or active ingredients are made in China . Then there's some conflict with Taiwan . Will your drug still be available?" asked Joe Acker , the president of the Synthetic Organic Chemical Manufacturers' Association , a trade group in Washington . "The whole drug supply could be in jeopardy in these kinds of situations."

    Acker noted that he thinks that the United States could rebound from disruptions in the increasingly globalized supply chain for drug components, in which materials are bought from a number of low-cost countries.

    "I'm not a Chicken Little type of person," Acker said. "However, if there were to be a major problem, and we could not source material from China , we would have to gear up production very quickly."

    The anthrax scare jolted the United States just a week after the terrorist attacks of Sept. 11, 2001 . Letters containing anthrax spores were mailed to news organizations in Florida and New York and to the offices of two U.S. senators. Authorities don't know the source of the letters, and no arrests have been made.

    Because of the attacks, the Health and Human Services Department increased stockpiles of antibiotics and vaccines against anthrax.

    "We have enough antibiotics . . . to treat 40 million Americans," Bill Hall , a spokesman for the department, said in an e-mail, adding that the government also has 28.75 million doses of anthrax vaccine.

    Bayer, the German health-care giant, held patent protection until 2004 over the antibiotic known as ciprofloxacin, which it marketed as Cipro. That antibiotic now is mass-produced by generic firms, which get a key ingredient, dichloro fluorobenzene, from one of four Chinese companies or two Indian firms.

    The Chinese and Indian companies are all but exempt from oversight by the U.S. Food and Drug Administration .

    "Only 13 inspections were conducted in China in 2007," Rep. John Dingell , a Michigan Democrat who chairs the House Committee on Energy and Commerce, said at a hearing Nov. 1 . "At this rate, it would take the FDA 55 years just to clear this backlog."

    By giving China a virtual pass on FDA inspections, Acker said, Chinese firms get a cost savings of about 25 percent above American companies, which face unannounced on-site inspections at any time.

    Since European pharmaceutical companies also face tougher standards, they too have stopped producing some basic drug ingredients, ceding production to Chinese and Indian companies that face less scrutiny and have lower costs.

    On both sides of the Atlantic, manufacturers say they fret over the national-security implications of the massive off-shoring of production to Asia .

    "If there is a peak in demand triggered by a pandemic or a terrorist event, there will be little domestic production capacity to meet public health needs," said an August 2006 white paper by the U.S. chemicals trade group in conjunction with the European Fine Chemicals Group , its counterpart.

    Chinese chemical companies that sell ingredients used by foreign pharmaceutical firms also shield themselves from the news media.

    Sun Dongliang, the deputy chief of the chemical industry chamber under the powerful China Council for the Promotion of International Trade , refused a request for an interview.

    "He thinks that your interview has nothing to do with the chemical industry. It's about pharmaceutical things," said an assistant who gave only her surname as Guo.

    All four Chinese companies that manufacture the key ingredient for ciprofloxacin declined requests for interviews.

    China offered foreign journalists a tour of two model pharmaceutical plants in Hangzhou on Nov. 23 . The plants were spotless. Workers in face masks toiled in jumpsuits on assembly lines. Polished machinery gleamed. One factory made Chinese medicines to treat prostate ailments. The other made herbal remedies.

    Outsiders say Chinese drug plants run the gamut from First to Third World.

    "You will see some companies where you can eat off the floor. They are state of the art," said Acker, the U.S. trade group chief. "I hear other stories of places where people are making chemicals while wearing flip-flops."

    Despite multiple requests over a two-week period, McClatchy was unable to gain access to any drug ingredient-manufacturing facilities other than the model firms presented by the Chinese government.

    Although Chinese authorities warn against foreign finger-pointing, the government's own reaction to the scandal over bogus and substandard drugs earlier this year was extremely harsh.

    After drug chief Zheng Xiaoyu's execution, the state began a vast housecleaning. This week, it said it had shut down 300 drug and medical-device makers, convicted 279 people of irregularities and prompted drug companies to withdraw 7,300 applications for drug approval, indicating more rigor in the approval process.

    Such actions left doubt whether consumers ought to be reassured by the factories shut down or alarmed at the state of the industry. Wu, the deputy drug chief, said he hoped to restore faith in Chinese drugs after the kickback scandal.

    "The corruption case . . . has tarnished our image," he said. "One of the targets of this campaign is to clean up the legacy caused by this corruption case."

    Still unclear is whether increased self-policing is sufficient given the magnitude of China's production and its rising share of global medicine chests.

    Villax, the Portuguese executive who's a board member of the European Fine Chemicals Group , said some Chinese pharmaceutical manufacturers were cutting corners and that unless enforcement tightened "people will die."

    "It's not low-cost labor that concerns us," Villax said. "What we're saying is there are a lot of people not playing by the rules, and not getting caught."

    A sign of the troubles that can occur in the pharmaceutical industry came at a plant that was manufacturing a key ingredient used in ciprofloxacin.

    A deafening blast ripped through the Fuyuan Chemical Co. plant in Jiangsu province on July 28, 2006 . Once the smoke cleared, 22 people lay dead and another 29 were injured. China's State Administration of Work Safety later issued a report charging the plant with ignoring safety rules, adopting low construction standards and operating without permits.

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    The elites dont care because they can afford to live anywhere in the world they want to.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sylvan_fettle
    The elites dont care because they can afford to live anywhere in the world they want to.
    The elites get the BEST & SAFEST "American made" medicine

    The elites get the BEST food, drink and protection

    The elites are protected from most of the everyday threats;Human, environmental & consumer goods that us "common folk" have to contend with


    I read that inspections of Chinese pharmaceutical plants/ingredients are small to none and the execution of China's FDA chief was a show of "goodwill" for business sake. Conditions and product quality will minimally improve

    Christ.
    -We're dependent on China for loans for Iraq
    -We're dependent on China for thousands of different consumer goods
    -We're dependent on China for medication
    -We've been buying toys from China for decades;MOST these toys toxic, MANY for infants, toddlers and preschoolers
    -What the hell kind of toys do the Chinese give their own children, I wonder?
    -We're competing with China (so to speak) for oil, as they've become more industrialized
    -China's army IF ever directed at the U.S. would be a serious threat



    Remember the news about a new line of Chinese-made CARS that were going to be imported into the United States, that were going to be MUCH CHEAPER & BETTER than Kia while competing with all other established auto companies?

    Cars on U.S. highways made in China.

    I GUARENTEE that these "high quality" autos will STILL be imported into the U.S.

    Its the LEAST we can do for China after loaning us hundred of billions of dollars to pay the war profiteers! It'd be COMMUNIST to do otherwise!


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    Quote Originally Posted by Dumbfounded
    The elites get the BEST & SAFEST "American made" medicine

    The elites get the BEST food, drink and protection

    The elites are protected from most of the everyday threats;Human, environmental & consumer goods that us "common folk" have to contend with


    I read that inspections of Chinese pharmaceutical plants/ingredients are small to none and the execution of China's FDA chief was a show of "goodwill" for business sake. Conditions and product quality will minimally improve

    Christ.
    -We're dependent on China for loans for Iraq
    -We're dependent on China for thousands of different consumer goods
    -We're dependent on China for medication
    -We've been buying toys from China for decades;MOST these toys toxic, MANY for infants, toddlers and preschoolers
    -What the hell kind of toys do the Chinese give their own children, I wonder?
    -We're competing with China (so to speak) for oil, as they've become more industrialized
    -China's army IF ever directed at the U.S. would be a serious threat



    Remember the news about a new line of Chinese-made CARS that were going to be imported into the United States, that were going to be MUCH CHEAPER & BETTER than Kia while competing with all other established auto companies?

    Cars on U.S. highways made in China.

    I GUARENTEE that these "high quality" autos will STILL be imported into the U.S.

    Its the LEAST we can do for China after loaning us hundred of billions of dollars to pay the war profiteers! It'd be COMMUNIST to do otherwise!


    Poison pills from Peking. Lovely.
    so sad but true; what is this world coming too?
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    If a major anthrax attack were to occur in the United States — larger than the one in 2001, when five people died— pharmaceutical companies that make the two antibiotics most suitable for treatment, Cipro and doxycycline, would have no choice but to rely on China or India for key ingredients once American stockpiles were exhausted. Those ingredients no longer are made in the West.

    A Portuguese company that ramped up doxycycline production in 2001 at Washington's request said China now controlled the flow of its crucial drug component.

    "If we were asked to do this again, we would be dependent on China providing us with key starting materials that are unavailable in the rest of the world," said Guy Villax, the chief executive of Hovione, a Lisbon -based fine chemicals company.
    Funny. Nobody bitched when Hillary took those US vaccine companies out of existence. Now, all of a sudden, because her husband's "most favored nation" has the market cornered, there's a problem.

    Amazing.
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    Whats it come to? Simple. Over-populated service societies led by arm chair wanna be engineers.

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    Were is 300 miles? Should we give up on the pharmaceutical industry too? Hey let's give up on everything while we are at it. I love how somethings are beneath us (manufacturing) and somethings we should fight for (outsourcing). Should it not be our economy that we fight for and not specific markets within it?

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    Quote Originally Posted by CSense
    Were is 300 miles? Should we give up on the pharmaceutical industry too? Hey let's give up on everything while we are at it. I love how somethings are beneath us (manufacturing) and somethings we should fight for (outsourcing). Should it not be our economy that we fight for and not specific markets within it?
    We are good at importing illegals and then saying what a burden they are!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Velvet Fog
    We are good at importing illegals and then saying what a burden they are!!!
    Although in the overarching category of undermining our economy, that's a different topic altogether.

    This is about trade deals, NAFTA, CAFTA, Peru, favored nation status, etc. About making fair trade deals instead of lopsided benefits to nations that would much rather slit your throats then give you aid.

    We are selling ourselves out to corporations that seek only profit margins for their mighty stock holders. CEO's that have 'golden parachutes' that make my pension plan look like I was spending a day at Darien Lake.

    Let's give them some more tax breaks, I think we need more trickle down! or is that pissing down my backside?

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    Quote Originally Posted by CSense
    Although in the overarching category of undermining our economy, that's a different topic altogether.

    This is about trade deals, NAFTA, CAFTA, Peru, favored nation status, etc. About making fair trade deals instead of lopsided benefits to nations that would much rather slit your throats then give you aid.

    We are selling ourselves out to corporations that seek only profit margins for their mighty stock holders. CEO's that have 'golden parachutes' that make my pension plan look like I was spending a day at Darien Lake.

    Let's give them some more tax breaks, I think we need more trickle down! or is that pissing down my backside?
    The corporations run the government PERIOD. Who holds the wealth to finance the candidates? Corporations--they hold the money and the power and they want insure they have a good candidate that will hold the line on everything. Who controls the media? Corporations (I think maybe 6 or maybe a little less) So we hear what they want us to hear and see what they want us to see. This is no conspiracy, just facts.

    PS: "Our" govt lets the illegals in and put a burden on the system; they also allow fat pigs and white trash and other scum to suck off the taxpayers.

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    So why am I considered wrong when I mention the fascist-shift in this country?
    One beautiful thing about having a government of the corporations, by the corporations, and for the corporations is that every disaster is measured in terms of economic loss. It's sort of like getting your arm sheared off in a car accident and thinking, "Damn, now it'll take longer to fold the laundry" as blood spurts from your arteries. - The Rude Pundit

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    Quote Originally Posted by raoul duke
    So why am I considered wrong when I mention the fascist-shift in this country?
    Depends on where you dated the shift. lol
    Was it 2000? 1992? How about 1865? LOL

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    Quote Originally Posted by colossus27
    Funny. Nobody bitched when Hillary took those US vaccine companies out of existence. Now, all of a sudden, because her husband's "most favored nation" has the market cornered, there's a problem.
    Stop with the "it's the left's fault, it's the right's fault" Both are one in the same. Corporate whore servants of corporate power and greed.

    Bottom line, this country is screwed. Kick both parties out of office and fast!

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    Quote Originally Posted by DR_GONZO
    Stop with the "it's the left's fault, it's the right's fault" Both are one in the same. Corporate whore servants of corporate power and greed.

    Bottom line, this country is screwed. Kick both parties out of office and fast!
    How does Hillary destroying 16 US vaccine companies play along with being "servants of corporate power and greed"? Can you give an example of any other politician, save Bill Clinton, doing the same to a US company?

    And to think, this idiot wants socialized medicine? I can't wait to see how that's gonna work...we'll all be driving to Canada for medical services...
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    Quote Originally Posted by colossus27
    Can you give an example of any other politician, save Bill Clinton, doing the same to a US company?
    Most recent, the founding father of NAFTA, Bush Sr. Let's eliminate the B.S. This cretin destroyed many a U.S. company. Sent many more out of the U.S. Like I said before, both parties are servants. Whether it's a carpet bagger or founding father of economic destruction, cancer has taken over U.S. government.

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