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    Quote Originally Posted by dtwarren
    If we are ultimately successful they will have to remove it and they will not be able to use it as they intend. They are proceeding at their own risk because no rights vest in an invalidly issued building permit.
    I hope you're able to turn it around. Driving by that mess makes me sick - the powers-that-be in West Seneca should be ashamed of themselves.

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    Canisius will be asking the West Seneca Zoning Board of Appeals for an area variance for a sign on the property at the next meeting on October 24, 2007 at 7:00 p.m. at the Town Hall. Urge all to show up and oppose it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by dtwarren
    Canisius will be asking the West Seneca Zoning Board of Appeals for an area variance for a sign on the property at the next meeting on October 24, 2007 at 7:00 p.m. at the Town Hall. Urge all to show up and oppose it.

    If you were really out for what the community wants and not a personal vendetta, shouldn't you have said...


    Urge all to show up and voice their opinion?

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    Quote Originally Posted by leftWNYbecauseofBS
    If you were really out for what the community wants and not a personal vendetta, shouldn't you have said...


    Urge all to show up and voice their opinion?

    To be fair why would the community (West Seneca) want a private catholic institution's (one from the city no less) football field placed in what was once greenspace?

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    Quote Originally Posted by FisherRd
    To be fair why would the community (West Seneca) want a private catholic institution's (one from the city no less) football field placed in what was once greenspace?

    I did not say I was in favor of the project.

    All I was saying is this MB should not be used for the advancement of personal lawsuits. As posted in this thread, the legal action is from Don Grasso, David Monolopolus and DT.

    If there is to be a discussion about what people think...that is one thing. But I do not think lawyers should be posting about personal lawsuits.

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    Quote Originally Posted by leftWNYbecauseofBS
    I did not say I was in favor of the project.

    All I was saying is this MB should not be used for the advancement of personal lawsuits. As posted in this thread, the legal action is from Don Grasso, David Monolopolus and DT.

    If there is to be a discussion about what people think...that is one thing. But I do not think lawyers should be posting about personal lawsuits.
    First, I am not a lawyer yet.

    Second, I was responding to a poster whose position on this issue I knew from their prior postings and I was not making an announcement.

    Lastly, whether it is through the political process or the judicial process it is an adversarial system. This action like my Open Meetings Law action against the county is premised on rule of law issues which benefits the community at large regardless of whether you agree with this particular project or not. What you may consider discussion another may consider a debate but the bottom line is it usually tends to be one side against another. If you want no back and forth adversarial dialogue you should stick to the monologue of reading press releases.
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    Quote Originally Posted by leftWNYbecauseofBS
    If you were really out for what the community wants and not a personal vendetta, shouldn't you have said...


    Urge all to show up and voice their opinion?
    I think it's very clear that the community does NOT want this project to move forward, not just Mr. Warren.

    I also don't understand where "personal vendetta" comes into play - I don't think Mr. Warren ever mentioned a personal vendetta, just the desire to stop an unwanted project in the town he calls home. Or at least that's the way I see it.

    And last of all, as I understand it, Mr. Warren is not a lawyer, so at this point, he is merely a concerned citizen who knows the workings of the legal system and knows what moves need to be made to try and stop the project.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ghosthunter
    I think it's very clear that the community does NOT want this project to move forward, not just Mr. Warren.

    And just how have you determined this. Has there been a vote? Has there been a poll taken? Is there a petition? I have yet to see any effort to collect public feedback on this issue. How many family's in West Seneca have children, had children or intend to have children in the Catholic schools? If you do not think they would support it..


    I also don't understand where "personal vendetta" comes into play - I don't think Mr. Warren ever mentioned a personal vendetta, just the desire to stop an unwanted project in the town he calls home. Or at least that's the way I see it.

    The personal vendetta are all of the jack asses in Buffalo who take the easy road to preventing what they do not like with lawsuits. Has there been any effort to go grass roots on this issue? If not, why did not start there and not the courts. If so, where is this group, where is this effort?

    And last of all, as I understand it, Mr. Warren is not a lawyer, so at this point, he is merely a concerned citizen who knows the workings of the legal system and knows what moves need to be made to try and stop the project.

    A concerned citizen yes. But his concern is an OPINION. I am not against members of a community using what resources they have to prevent something that the whole community or a MAJORITY of the community want.

    The trigger finger for people like DT to sue sue sue instead of work with the community as a whole. And even after it is clear that the majority of a community wants something, they continue to sue because they can. I am referencing the Casino in the last line.

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    Quote Originally Posted by leftWNYbecauseofBS
    A concerned citizen yes. But his concern is an OPINION. I am not against members of a community using what resources they have to prevent something that the whole community or a MAJORITY of the community want.

    And just how have you determined this. Has there been a vote? Has there been a poll taken? Is there a petition? I have yet to see any effort to collect public feedback on this issue. How many family's in West Seneca have children, had children or intend to have children in the Catholic schools? If you do not think they would support it..
    As an actual West Seneca resident, I am fiercely opposed to this project. I am a product of many years of WNY Catholic schooling with full intentions to place my children in catholic schools. Please do not presume to make generalized unsupported assumptions on Catholics or the past, present, or former students of Catholic schools who reside in West Seneca and what our feelings may or may not be on this or any issues from what ever state you now reside in. As one who drives down Clinton Street daily, I am disgusted by this project’s destruction green space and its potential to create severe traffic issues on an already busy road. If you need help with a public campaign, dt, there are local people who are willing and ready to fight.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dtwarren
    Canisius will be asking the West Seneca Zoning Board of Appeals for an area variance for a sign on the property at the next meeting on October 24, 2007 at 7:00 p.m. at the Town Hall. Urge all to show up and oppose it.
    At the last minute Canisius withdrew their request for a variance.
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    Just curious, who owns the property this athletic field will be built upon?


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    Alright, somebody please tell me who the poor, unfortunate soul is who lives in the house that is almost literally sitting on top of the scoreboard?!

    I wouldn't be surprised if that guy goes postal on the Town Board for letting that one through.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ghosthunter
    Alright, somebody please tell me who the poor, unfortunate soul is who lives in the house that is almost literally sitting on top of the scoreboard?!

    I wouldn't be surprised if that guy goes postal on the Town Board for letting that one through.
    I have spoken to him a couple of times recently. He is livid over this.

    Our motion to consolidate appeals and for summary reversal or preliminary injunction will be heard by the Appellate Division, Fourth Department in Rochester on Monday. A decision is anticipated soon thereafter.
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    The Order and Judgment dismissing the petition was filed on October 23, 2007 and our notice of appeal was filed on October 25, 2007. We made a motion in the Appellate Division for an order consolidating the appeals, summary reversal or alternatively a preliminary injunction pending appeal. Canisius opposed this motion and the Town did not file or serve any papers in opposition. The motion is fully submitted and we are awaiting a decision.
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    Quote Originally Posted by FisherRd
    What's wrong with putting it in the Seneca Mall site?

    Why does every piece of greenspace need to be developed in West Seneca?
    Because it puts more money in Clark's pocket!

    Pyramid developers owns the property (and Paul Clark) so they no doubt would want more money for the site given it's location. I can't figure out why they'd want a field so far from the school itself.
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