Here we go again.. Nothing is ever done..

[PickOranges]

When Obama won, the Democrats had both house and passed the heathcare.

Now.. The Republican want to waste time and produce nothing.. No jobs no economic development.. Why don't they start with this first.. You know why?? They don't give a flying FK about no one but themselves. I compare them to Antoine Thompson..

What are the people to do now.. wait again for 2 more yrs and elect more politicians? Then they have another opinion?

Why don't the Republicans worry about jobs? Isn't that what they said. Jobs and economy.. They don't have the votes to pass crap..

It is all a fk'en game for the RICH ass holes.... I emailed Mitch McConnell and you know.. his email doesn't work.. When I put in the subject matter.. There wasn't a subject for jobs but there was for everything else.

[nogods]

When Obama won, the Democrats had both house and passed the heathcare.

They passed a health care bill with watered downed substantive provisions and bloated procedural burdens.

We won't have health care reform until we have universal health coverage, which the dems could have achieved by passing a government option (like senators and congresspersons have) along with a single payer law.

Instead we got smoke and mirrors.

We sent them to Washington in 2006 to stop that idiotic war and they failed. we sent them to Washington with a president in 2008 to enact real health care reform and they failed.

Obama's only success so far has been his SCOTUS nominations.

[NBuffaloResident]

Well, to be fair, the GOP is already getting ready to double spending on the military; and cutting taxes for not only the working joe, but also the insanely wealthy.

I'll be betting they will increase spending even more, and cut taxes for the wealthy even more; while shifting the burden of taxes even more so on the working joes. Call it "intuition", or just remembering the past. Whichever you like.

Oh, and they also promised to make sure Obama is only a single-term president. So, we'll have a Monica-Bill-Starr repeat.

[Dougles]

Wow, how ignorant are you NRB?

[NBuffaloResident]

Wow, how ignorant are you NRB?

Name one thing in that post which is false? I dare ya.

[Dougles]

Name one thing in that post which is false? I dare ya.

The WHOLE THING.

ONE republican wants to increase military spending... but you think that means all of them.

Many republicans have talked about Compromise for the Bush tax cuts... even Boner said he'd have no problem if they were only extedn to 2012!

But you hear one douns bit from one person and you generalize... you are just lazy!

[Bioguy231]

Well, to be fair, the GOP is already getting ready to double spending on the military; and cutting taxes for not only the working joe, but also the insanely wealthy.

I'll be betting they will increase spending even more, and cut taxes for the wealthy even more; while shifting the burden of taxes even more so on the working joes. Call it "intuition", or just remembering the past. Whichever you like.

Oh, and they also promised to make sure Obama is only a single-term president. So, we'll have a Monica-Bill-Starr repeat.

Let's take a look at the insanely wealthy, in fact let's take a look at the most insanely wealthy person in the entire US, Bill Gates. Bill stepped down as CEO at Microsoft in 2008 and no longer draws a salary. So, when income tax time rolls around Bill lists interest he made on his bank accounts and that's about it.

Bill owns 8% of Microsoft and if their stock goes up and Bill makes a few billion, he only pays capital gains tax on that and he only pays those taxes when he sells his Microsoft stock. Bill Gates doesn't really pay a lot of taxes at all.

A lot of people are in the same boat Bill Gates is in.

Now, let's take a look at those that the government has defined as insanely wealthy and who do pay a lot of taxes. Anyone who lists over $250,000 on their income tax return is insanely wealthy. In that category you have a lot of successful doctors, lawyers and corporate executives. These are all people who have made major sacrifices to be where they are at today and now you want to penalize them.

And, while it's true that those people don't really create jobs, you also have a lot of business owners that fall into the insanely wealthy category. Those are people who create jobs and every penny you take from them in taxes is a penny they won't be paying their employees. And, what's listed on a business owner's tax return as income isn't money they are putting in the bank. Income does not equal cash, profit does not equal cash, and as everyone knows, cash is king.

Remember Joe the Plumber from the McCain Obama campaign? Joe was a plumber whose boss wanted to sell the plumbing business. Joe wanted to buy the business but Joe had to borrow the money to do that. Joe figured that the business was profitable enough to pay off the loans. But Joe realized that once he bought the business he would have to pay taxes on those profits and pay the loans off with whatever was left over.

Joe also realized that if his tax rate went up too much, he wouldn't have enough money left to pay the loans.

In Joe's situation, he would be considered insanely wealthy if the business generated over $250,000 in profit per year because that's what Joe would have to list on his tax returns as income. But if the money left over after Joe paid his taxes was barely enough, or not enough, to pay off the loans, Joe would be one very poor person and maybe even one very bankrupt person. But poor, maybe bankrupt Joe is considered insanely wealthy.

Joe stepped forward at an Obama campaign event to raise this issue when Obama was telling everyone "I'm going to raise the taxes on the wealthy".

McCain immediately saw Joe's plight and tried to make it into a national issue.

But, unfortunately, no one but McCain and a few others were smart enough to understand Joe's plight.

It's certain Obama wasn't smart enough to understand.

[nogods]

Let's take a look at the insanely wealthy, in fact let's take a look at the most insanely wealthy person in the entire US, Bill Gates. Bill stepped down as CEO at Microsoft in 2008 and no longer draws a salary. So, when income tax time rolls around Bill lists interest he made on his bank accounts and that's about it.

Bill owns 8% of Microsoft and if their stock goes up and Bill makes a few billion, he only pays capital gains tax on that and he only pays those taxes when he sells his Microsoft stock. Bill Gates doesn't really pay a lot of taxes at all.

A lot of people are in the same boat Bill Gates is in.

Now, let's take a look at those that the government has defined as insanely wealthy and who do pay a lot of taxes. Anyone who lists over $250,000 on their income tax return is insanely wealthy. In that category you have a lot of successful doctors, lawyers and corporate executives. These are all people who have made major sacrifices to be where they are at today and now you want to penalize them.

And, while it's true that those people don't really create jobs, you also have a lot of business owners that fall into the insanely wealthy category. Those are people who create jobs and every penny you take from them in taxes is a penny they won't be paying their employees. And, what's listed on a business owner's tax return as income isn't money they are putting in the bank. Income does not equal cash, profit does not equal cash, and as everyone knows, cash is king.

Remember Joe the Plumber from the McCain Obama campaign? Joe was a plumber whose boss wanted to sell the plumbing business. Joe wanted to buy the business but Joe had to borrow the money to do that. Joe figured that the business was profitable enough to pay off the loans. But Joe realized that once he bought the business he would have to pay taxes on those profits and pay the loans off with whatever was left over.

Joe also realized that if his tax rate went up too much, he wouldn't have enough money left to pay the loans.

In Joe's situation, he would be considered insanely wealthy if the business generated over $250,000 in profit per year because that's what Joe would have to list on his tax returns as income. But if the money left over after Joe paid his taxes was barely enough, or not enough, to pay off the loans, Joe would be one very poor person and maybe even one very bankrupt person. But poor, maybe bankrupt Joe is considered insanely wealthy.

Joe stepped forward at an Obama campaign event to raise this issue when Obama was telling everyone "I'm going to raise the taxes on the wealthy".

McCain immediately saw Joe's plight and tried to make it into a national issue.

But, unfortunately, no one but McCain and a few others were smart enough to understand Joe's plight.

It's certain Obama wasn't smart enough to understand.

You have obviously never had more than $250,000 of taxable income if you believe such malarky

[Bailey]

You have obviously never had more than $250,000 of taxable income if you believe such malarky

Which part do you believe is malarky?

BioGuy, slight correction. Gates would be paying quite a bit of taxes on the interest income on his investments. His money just isn't in bank accounts. In this market, figure anywhere from 3% - 5% min. income from his portfolio which is substantial.

[ILOVEDNY]

When Obama won, the Democrats had both house and passed the heathcare.

Now.. The Republican want to waste time and produce nothing.. No jobs no economic development.

So when the new congress passes a bill.
Then the senate goes along and sends the bill to POTUS.
Then POTUS vetos it.
I'll expect to see you on here whinning about President NO.

[PickOranges]

So when the new congress passes a bill.
Then the senate goes along and sends the bill to POTUS.
Then POTUS vetos it.
I'll expect to see you on here whinning about President NO.

Isn't this called checks and balances. Doesn't each branch have independence. Isn't this why it was created by our forefathers.

So why didn't the Republicans hold a press conference for Jobs? Do they have enough to override any veto? That is why it is there..

The Democrats could of done one without the other too but they didn't either..

They both could agree on middle class tax cuts.. Will they?

Watch.. I don't think so..

No one on this board makes $250,000. If I did, I would be more than happy to pay extra..

[BorderBob]

Isn't this why it was created by our forefathers.

I don't think the founding fathers fathomed (say that three times fast) the notion of a 60 vote "majority." Or rules which allow a single Senator to secretly place a hold on a bill or appointment. It was about debate and voting, majority rules.

If there is one thing which frustrates me as a voter it is how the rules process has so corrupted the system. Where single individuals in either house, federal or state, can block a bill from going to a vote.

The Constitution was written for majority rules, except in certain circumstances where a two thirds majority is required, over ride of a Presidential veto and maybe impeachment though I am not sure.

The filibuster. I remember being taught it was a Senator taking the floor of the Senate and not relinquishing it, thus keeping a bill from coming to a vote. But he had to remain on the floor, reading the bible or an encyclopedia if necessary. But declaring a filibuster and moving on with the business, ending it with a vote, isn't the way the Founding Fathers practiced it.



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