Reply With QuoteClearly my reaction was an emotional one. My heart wasn't really into gun ownership. I had some friends that were gun owners. I think their enthusiasm piqued my interest. I might actually consider it again in the future.Originally Posted by nogods
So you don't own things or engage in activities because there are ignorant yahoos who own the same things or engage in the same activities?Your Bills reference pretty much proves my point
You don't drive? don't own a car? never take a prescription? never went to college? don't own a dog? don't have sex? don't vote? don't use the internet? (gottcha!)
Clearly my reaction was an emotional one. My heart wasn't really into gun ownership. I had some friends that were gun owners. I think their enthusiasm piqued my interest. I might actually consider it again in the future.
At any time you want to meet me NBR, I'll let you know where I'll be and I can show you a copy of the police report, copies of the newspaper articles, and anything else I have in the file. I'll even show you my medical records and you can even see the bullet wound I acquired in the attack. Until then.... go f**k yourself with claiming other people are lying. Hell... you know what, I'll let anyone on the board who desires look over these same documents if they want.
At the same time, you can show me your license and medical degree that allows you to practice psychology. I'd be interested in seeing what CrackerJack box you got that out of.
Just because you broke down and got all weepy-eyed in your supposed "fox-hole", doesn't mean the next person in line wasn't mentally prepared for what they had to do to survive... and just did what they were given no choice but to do. I'm fine with what I had to do because I know there was no other choice but to die, and it doesn't bother me to this day. And despite your "diagnosis" I've never harmed another person who wasn't trying to harm me first - so I guess I'm a pretty piss-poor psychopath. If that offends your delicate sensiblities... too bad.
Again, you're more than welcome to meet up with me and discuss this face-to-face... but you better bring some type of military record to back up your claims. You do that, and I'll gladly, and with no problem, announce to the entire board that you're the real deal on that account.
When you shoot to kill a person, it changes you... Which is why when there is a police shooting, and cops kill someone, there is often times 'down time' for the officer involved... it messes with your head big time.
ever heard of PTSD? soldiers who are coming back from Iraq after killing people are seriously screwed up. They left all gung ho and happy... they come back, cant hold down a job, get divorced... addicted to alcohol and drugs... largely because they killed... in someways, thats 'better' then killing another i this country... cause in this country, who ever you kill, has family, and if you own your own home, after you kill this person, his family will do everything in their power to take everything you own away from you, wether the shooting was justified or not... So on top of the emotional mess... you will have to live thruigh a criminal investigation.... and then, the civil suit, which can go on for YEARS cost tens of thousands of dollars, and drive a person insane - literally...not to mention bankrupt...
We live in a VERY liberal state, where individual rights and freedoms are not of very high concern... especially in a civil suit... be prepared tp have your 'rights' and 'freedoms' tramplled upon, your entire life, under a microscope, you lose your privacy... a civil suit can be, in alot of ways, worse than jail...
So in the end, it is better to have the police handle it... because lets face it, youd rather his family sue the cops, than sue you... Unless there is imminent life ending danger, such as someone holding a gun to a family member, the use of a gun, should NEVER be used...
Willful ignorance is the downfall of every major empire in history.
"Political power grows out of the barrel of a gun." - Mao, 1938
I know, video games don't count. Basra, Ballad, Tikrit, Al Nasyriah, and Baghdad were anything but video games.
I never said you didn't survive it. I said that if you state,"Killing someone is no big deal" then you either never went through it, or are a psychopath.
Yeah, ok... You are a psychiatrist then? No, no license here, but I can read definitions:Yeah... Wanna guess how many justified shootings got turned on their ear in court because the DA or opposing Attorney asked the shooter "Do you feel any "guilt" over shooting Joe Scumbag?" And then when they said "Yes... they did." That DA or Attorney would whip out a dictionary and read off the defination of the word "Guilt" for the jury. You can feel grief or sorrow for having to take another's life, but if you admit feeling guilt, you imply you did some wrong. BTW - this tactic was used successfully in court by a number of attorneys who won the jury over on it. For cited material, I believe you can find cases where it was used in Massad Ayoob's "The Truth About Self Protection" Bantam Books 1983. Cuz I know you'll ask.
No, is not a "natural response"... its a conditioned response. Society ingrains upon us over and over that its bad to kill another human being. You're not born with a natural instinct against it. Thanks, Dr, Spock... but I doubt as I said, you have a license to be a head shrink.
Psychopathy (pronounced /saɪˈkɒpəθi/[1][2]) is a personality disorder characterized by an abnormal lack of empathy combined with strongly amoral conduct, masked by an ability to appear outwardly normal.
Since you exhibit signs of either psychopathy, or just liying, I think I'll pass.At any time you want to meet me NBR, I'll let you know where I'll be and I can show you a copy of the police report, copies of the newspaper articles, and anything else I have in the file. I'll even show you my medical records and you can even see the bullet wound I acquired in the attack. Until then.... go f**k yourself with claiming other people are lying. Hell... you know what, I'll let anyone on the board who desires look over these same documents if they want.
But, you could, of course, post a scanned copy of the document.
A psychopath doesn't need to harm someone on a whim. It's a lack of normal empathy.At the same time, you can show me your license and medical degree that allows you to practice psychology. I'd be interested in seeing what CrackerJack box you got that out of.
Just because you broke down and got all weepy-eyed in your supposed "fox-hole", doesn't mean the next person in line wasn't mentally prepared for what they had to do to survive... and just did what they were given no choice but to do. I'm fine with what I had to do because I know there was no other choice but to die, and it doesn't bother me to this day. And despite your "diagnosis" I've never harmed another person who wasn't trying to harm me first - so I guess I'm a pretty piss-poor psychopath. If that offends your delicate sensiblities... too bad.
No, I didn't "break down weepy eyed". I did what I had to do. And I understand the implications of killing a person.
It's a big deal. Not something you just "write off".
About the only record I could show you is my combat patch, a DD-214 showing I was in Iraq during '03, the spurs I got while there (Genuine Iraqi onesAgain, you're more than welcome to meet up with me and discuss this face-to-face... but you better bring some type of military record to back up your claims. You do that, and I'll gladly, and with no problem, announce to the entire board that you're the real deal on that account.), and the unit I went with.
You don't get a "kill count". That **** is just in the movies.
Tell you what, though. Google "Operation Red Dawn" or "Operation Iron Hammer". I was there for both.
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Lackng normal empathy alone does not make you a psychopath by the definition you posted
A psychopath doesn't necessarily have to kill people to qualify. A health insurance CEO who denies people treatment without regret, or a priest who rapes deaf children without remorse could just as easily be described as a psychopath.Psychopathy is a personality disorder characterized by an abnormal lack of empathy combined with strongly amoral conduct, masked by an ability to appear outwardly normal. Researcher Robert Hare, whose Hare Psychopathy Checklist is widely used, describes psychopaths as "intra-species predators."
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So NBR is correct. If someone says they have killed another person, and feels no empathy whatsoever, then they are either lying about the slaying, or, by definition, they are a psychopath.
Everyone is entitled to their own opinion. No one is entitled to their own facts.
Yeah... I'll google them and that will tell me for sure that you were there??? That makes a lot of sense.I know, video games don't count. Basra, Ballad, Tikrit, Al Nasyriah, and Baghdad were anything but video games.
I never said you didn't survive it.
Quote:"I personally think you're lying about "surviving that situation"." UnQuote.
Again, you change things around to suit you. What's that psycho-babble word for somebody who constantly does that again??????
I said that if you state,"Killing someone is no big deal" then you either never went through it, or are a psychopath.
Wrong again... as usual.
Yeah, ok... You are a psychiatrist then? No, no license here, but I can read definitions:
Show me where I made that claim or diagnosis someone? As usual, you're making things up again to suit you. I pointed out that when you feel guilty about an action, it is because that action was wrong in some way, shape, or form. Look the word up in the dictionary, and realize that justified shooting court cases have been screwed into the ground because of the defination of the word "guilt".
Psychopathy (pronounced /saɪˈkɒpəθi/[1][2]) is a personality disorder characterized by an abnormal lack of empathy combined with strongly amoral conduct, masked by an ability to appear outwardly normal.
Yeah, I see that. You seemed to have written your own dictionary too. That's not what written in either the Webster's or American Hertiage. Matter of fact they both say it has to do with antisocial behavior... not a word about lack of empathy. You're such a joker.
Since you exhibit signs of either psychopathy, or just liying, I think I'll pass.
Humm... though that be the way you worm out of that. Not surprising at all. Big war vet afraid of little old me.
But, you could, of course, post a scanned copy of the document.
Yeah, I could. But I'd have block out the personal information and you'd just point your finger and cry about that. The offer still stands - you or anybody else - that want to review them uncensored can. All you have to do is ask and I'll make arrangements to meet them somewhere when I'm out.
A psychopath doesn't need to harm someone on a whim. It's a lack of normal empathy.
Again... this is using the dictionary you wrote, right? Man, that must be one long ass defination. It keeps expanding right before our eyes!
No, I didn't "break down weepy eyed". I did what I had to do. And I understand the implications of killing a person.
Ah huh...?
It's a big deal. Not something you just "write off".
Ayah! This is in your dictionary too???
About the only record I could show you is my combat patch, a DD-214 showing I was in Iraq during '03, the spurs I got while there (Genuine Iraqi ones
You don't get a "kill count". That **** is just in the movies.
Yeah, that's probably why I didn't ask for one. What I did ask for was a military record... or you can just send me your name and DOB by private email and I can have a outline of your service record pulled through the P.O.W. Network... those guys have done a lot for me when I've been investigating Military wanna-bes. It comes back legit and I'll shout to the heavens that you're the real deal. If it doesn't... well, you're not going to be very happy when the guys at P.O.W get through with you... they don't take that phony wanna-be **** lightly. Just a warning... but hey, what do you have to worry about? You're not lying, right?
Oh, and that patch and the spurs, I could probably find them on eBay too. It wouldn't be the first time a phony secured props to back up their false claims to military service.
Tell you what, though. Google "Operation Red Dawn" or "Operation Iron Hammer". I was there for both.
But Hey! That outline of your service record would have it listed right there in black and white! Undeniable proof, can't go wrong with that now, can we?
I await your further excuses, and shucking-n-jivin', with bated breath.
Last edited by Chant; April 3rd, 2010 at 05:17 PM.
Okay. First off, you're citing wikipedia, which correct me if I'm wrong, can be edited or added to by just about anybody?
And have you even read the article fully? You do realize that their are many combined factors, behavioral patterns, and indicators that define a person as a psychopath - not just one sign, or what you think is a sign, right.
God save us from armchair head shrinks. The ones with licenses are bad enough already.
I'll just say, you don't pull the definition of a mental disorder from a dictionary... The DSM-IV is what defines a disorder. And, Wikipedia (From wit I cited as well) cites the DSM-IV for it's source for the definition.Yeah... I'll google them and that will tell me for sure that you were there??? That makes a lot of sense.
But Hey! That outline of your service record would have it listed right there in black and white! Undeniable proof, can't go wrong with that now, can we?
I await your further excuses, and shucking-n-jivin', with bated breath.
I have no further desire to carry this on with you. I'm not going to "meet you", since I personally don't trust you. Not afraid of you, just not foolhardy.
Go ahead, keep considering yourself well balanced, and considering killing a person "no big deal". I'm sure I'll read about you in the news papers someday
Raptor Jesus: He went extinct for your sins.
The definition applies only when strongly amoral conduct accompanies the abnormal lack of empathy.
So, by definition, Chant would only qualify as a psychopath if what he claims he did was amoral.
Do you believe it was?
"I won't live by rules that make no sense to me." - Evan Tanner 1971-2008
Transfixus sed non Mortuus
I think you've misinterpreted the definition.
See the above post.
"I won't live by rules that make no sense to me." - Evan Tanner 1971-2008
Transfixus sed non Mortuus
Besides, everyone knows Bush earned a 'C' average.
You're wrong. 1) To edit it, you must be logged in as a senior editor. 2) All additions or changes must be linked to credible sources and verified by the editorial staff, hence all the footnotes and references. 3) If those changes are found to be inaccurate by editorial staff, they are corrected. You can't just type "George Bush earned a D average in college" and expect it to go unchallenged.
If you prefer, here's the actual entry from the Merriam-Webster Dictionary, as cited in Wikipedia: Source
And have you even read the article fully? You do realize that their are many combined factors, behavioral patterns, and indicators that define a person as a psychopath - not just one sign, or what you think is a sign, right.
So first you denounce Wikipedia as a credible source, then try to use that same source to debate the plain-language definition? Make up your mind.
God save us from armchair head shrinks. The ones with licenses are bad enough already.
One doesn't need a PhD in astro-physics to know that work = force x distance. Sure, it can get more complex and involved than that, but that's the basics we all need to know to understand the discussion. Nor does one have to be a licensed psychologist to know what psychopathy is.
Everyone is entitled to their own opinion. No one is entitled to their own facts.
Well... as long as I don't start thinking like you, NBR... I'll consider myself reasonably well balanced. BTW, I didn't forget to notice how you dodged bringing up proof of this military service you claim. But I'll just file that under 'blowhard bulls**t' for now... along with everything else you say.I'll just say, you don't pull the definition of a mental disorder from a dictionary... The DSM-IV is what defines a disorder. And, Wikipedia (From wit I cited as well) cites the DSM-IV for it's source for the definition.
Wow... a dictionaries that give the wrong definations for a word... who would have thought. God, I wish we had that little 'jerk-off' smile... that would fit so well here.
I have no further desire to carry this on with you. I'm not going to "meet you", since I personally don't trust you. Not afraid of you, just not foolhardy.
Yeah, predictable. There's no reason to be afraid of me unless you planned on being stupid and becoming a threat. But I think that could be said of just about everybody here. What you are afraid of though is being exposed for the fraud you are... but that's okay. I made the public offer of letting you review the documentation to back up my claim, and you publicly made your excuse for not accepting. I won't even point out it would be stupid of me to make such an offer in front of all these witnesses if I were up to no good... opps! Oh well.
We'll leave it at that.
Go ahead, keep considering yourself well balanced, and considering killing a person "no big deal". I'm sure I'll read about you in the news papers someday
AS for my military record, let's just say I have plenty of documentation. I don't need to prove anything to you.
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