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    whatever happened to the conversion of public schools to charters

    whatever happened to the conversion of public schools to charters

    New Orleans had the worst public school system in the nation and after Katrina they fired 5,000 teaching personnel and are rebuilding the school system with approx 99% school choice with a mixture of charter, private and parochial schools. I think only 5 school of the entire educational system will remain public schools.

    They effectively killed the teachers union in New Orleans. Buffalo needs to do the same...but neither the local teachers union or the state teachers lobby will let it happen

    What Buffalo was planning would have been the first in the nation replace public schools with charters.

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    Albany caved in to the teachers' unions and put a cap on Charter Schools across the State. The limit of 100 Charter Schools has been met. Spitzer claims he wants more but he is concerned about the affect on Buffalo and NYC public schools because the Charters are so popular. There should be no limit. Let the better schools win and let the parents decide.
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    . . . nothing good comes out of New Orleans!
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    I agree with DelawareDistrict, let the parents decide how many Charter Schools

    I agree with DelawareDistrict, let the parents decide how many Charter Schools! Remove the limit or atleast compromise and allow an additional 50-100 charter schools per year allowing time for public schools to either reform or close.

    In Buffalo, Lafayette and Cleveland need to be closed. Lafayette would make incredible housing and bring some of the wealth of Richmond close to Grant Street.

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    New Orleans fired the 5,000 teachers, because there were no students, or buildings for them. They could not continue to pay workers for doing nothing, and there were no taxes (revenue) coming in.

    It was a good idea to go to charter schools, a fresh new beginning.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Timmy
    I agree with DelawareDistrict, let the parents decide how many Charter Schools! Remove the limit or atleast compromise and allow an additional 50-100 charter schools per year allowing time for public schools to either reform or close.

    In Buffalo, Lafayette and Cleveland need to be closed. Lafayette would make incredible housing and bring some of the wealth of Richmond close to Grant Street.
    Yea...like the parents have done so well raising their children that we need to legislatate(sp) curfews for kids.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TheRightView
    Yea...like the parents have done so well raising their children that we need to legislatate(sp) curfews for kids.
    Legislating curfews just encourages parents to be lazy.
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    No legislating curfews removes temptation

    No legislating curfews removes temptation

    There is very little good that a underage teen can find on the streets after certain time. Of course there are and should be exceptions such as tickets to movies or sporting events or school activities....

    besides no parent worth their salt would let their underage teen be unsupervised on the streets....if they do then I have no problem putting them infront of a judge and letting them air their justifications.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Timmy
    No legislating curfews removes temptation

    There is very little good that a underage teen can find on the streets after certain time. Of course there are and should be exceptions such as tickets to movies or sporting events or school activities....

    besides no parent worth their salt would let their underage teen be unsupervised on the streets....if they do then I have no problem putting them infront of a judge and letting them air their justifications.
    You are reading way too much into what I said. Removing temptation is a parent's job, not the governments. Teenagers need a combination of parental guidance and freedom to develop into responsible adults. Government legislation of their actions inhibits that. There are laws for people engaging in "criminal" activity. Being on a sidewalk at a certain time should not be criminal.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DelawareDistrict
    You are reading way too much into what I said. Removing temptation is a parent's job, not the governments. Teenagers need a combination of parental guidance and freedom to develop into responsible adults. Government legislation of their actions inhibits that. There are laws for people engaging in "criminal" activity. Being on a sidewalk at a certain time should not be criminal.
    Regardless....Unfortunately most parents are not doing their jobs but are blaming everyone else. They normally target the teachers and then everyone bandwagons and takes aim at the teachers but leaves the parents alone.
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    As I said, parents need to be ticketed and brought before a judge

    As I said, parents need to be ticketed and brought before a judge

    parents need to be notified that if their children are truant then the police will visit the house

    parents need to be notified that if their children misbehave or have failing grades they will be visited by a social worker and/or brought before a judge

    parents need to be notified that their welfare, health and disability priveledges are contingent upon their actions and the actions f their kids

    Public Schools do not engage kids in responsible, ethical, moral, socially responsible ways.....so charter, private and parochial schools via school vouchers should not be ignored for their role in contributing to the solution in addition to parental accountability
    parents need to be notified that their kids can and will be removed from their custody for any of the above reasons

    there are some parents where loving and nurturing their kids must be both taught and enforced!

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    Quote Originally Posted by TheRightView
    Regardless....Unfortunately most parents are not doing their jobs but are blaming everyone else. They normally target the teachers and then everyone bandwagons and takes aim at the teachers but leaves the parents alone.
    HAve to agree with you on this.

    Parents want eachers to be and do ewverything, so they don't.

    Micheal

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