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    Red face Pac money

    Quote Originally Posted by bflo_resident1 View Post
    many people in south buffalo would disagree with you. not saying i'm one of them, it's common knowledge right now voters are supportive of tim kennedy than stack.
    • Please name the Union those "Average SB Workers" work for!
    • Please show me where the Non-Union Related PAC Funds are listed in TK's Campaign Disclosure Statements.
    • Please tell me who employs your idea of an "Average SB Worker" and what employers has more SB Employees than the City of Buffalo?????
    • "voters are supportive" - please the only people who care at all right now are "Party Players and Unions."
    Same game, same crowd new suit.
    #Dems play musical chairs + patronage and nepotism = entitlement !

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    Quote Originally Posted by knowsitall View Post
    Two things come to mind that I know of: He sponsored the UB2020 bill which passed the Senate and he sponsored Amanda's law requiring CO2 detectors in homes.
    I believe you meant he latched onto or co-supported these laws -

    I don't believe "He(TK)" wrote the actual legislation for either one by him self.
    I could be wrong - if you would post a link and lets all read his original proposal or meeting agenda statements when "He" sponsored and presented them. - Thanks


    If he actually started the UB2020 bill he deserves credit,
    and the same with Amanda's Law.

    Like we found during a past "County Exec Race" - just because I was in the Military, doesn't make him a "Combat War Veteran"
    #Dems play musical chairs + patronage and nepotism = entitlement !

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    heres an article about Amanda's law

    Amanda's Law as reported by WGRZ


    A bill named for a local teen who died of carbon monoxide poisoning earlier this year has been approved by the State Assembly.

    "Amanda's Law" would require all homes in New York State to have require contractors when replacing a hot water tank or furnace to install a carbon monoxide detector.

    Amanda Hansen, 16, of West Seneca was found unconscious at a friend's house in January. Police later determined she had been exposed to lethal levels of carbon monoxide in the home's basement, where she and the friend were having a sleepover. She later died at South Buffalo Mercy Hospital.
    Assemblyman Mark Schroeder introduced Amanda's Law to legislators on Thursday.

    "This is a major step in protecting all New Yorkers from the dangers of carbon monoxide. This silent killer can't be seen or smelled - that is why it is so important that all homes in New York have a carbon monoxide detector," a statement from Schroeder said.

    The bill will now be introduced to the state senate for approval.

    NYS Assemblyman Mark Schroeder Press Ofc.


    Amanda's Law" is primarily a tool to educate people about carbon monoxide poisoning. Lawmakers say enforcement will be difficult. There are no fines or penalties to speak of at this point, but the law could be amended in the future.

    Looks like another hollow law built for "Campaign Material."
    It has no teeth - "But, It's for the Kids"
    #Dems play musical chairs + patronage and nepotism = entitlement !

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    Quote Originally Posted by 4248 View Post
    • Please name the Union those "Average SB Workers" work for!
    • Please show me where the Non-Union Related PAC Funds are listed in TK's Campaign Disclosure Statements.
    • Please tell me who employs your idea of an "Average SB Worker" and what employers has more SB Employees than the City of Buffalo?????
    • "voters are supportive" - please the only people who care at all right now are "Party Players and Unions."
    Same game, same crowd new suit.
    why not come to south buffalo and find out? you probably won't.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 4248 View Post
    • "voters are supportive" - please the only people who care at all right now are "Party Players and Unions."
    you'd know this more than anyone r2d2.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bflo_resident1 View Post
    many people in south buffalo would disagree with you. not saying i'm one of them, it's common knowledge right now voters are supportive of tim kennedy than stack.

    What introduce bills that could cause larger building projects to be more expensive for the community to build? What is the point of that?

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    tim supports legislation against texting while driving. this is something he supports to save lives.

    VTTI concluded that people who send text messages while driving are 23 times more likely to be in a crash (or what they call a near-crash event) than nondistracted drivers.
    the distraction of texting while driving is 23.2 times higher than non‐distracted drivers. tim supported something like this enough to get a bill passed locally. you're fixed on being anti-unions, but tim's thought was on preventing death. tim introduced a wake up call. are you aware at all?

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    what has stack done for you?

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    Quote Originally Posted by bflo_resident1 View Post
    what has stack done for you?
    For the most part you can say that about quite a few elected politicians.

    IN this case if it was Tim against Bill and we look at past performance we would have to go with Bill. Tim tried to push threw a law that would cost each and everyone in our community more on larger building projects. Either it was his idea or someone helped him with that idea.. Either way we can't have that type of thinking seeing we need to compete against other states in the USA and communities in NYS.

    I just don't have a clue why Bill would have voted yes on the budget last time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by WNYresident View Post
    Tim tried to push threw a law that would cost each and everyone in our community more on larger building projects.
    to settle this please read up on what it is you're talking about.

    Item 25 – MR. SCHROEDER presented the following Local Law and moved for immediate consideration. MS. MARINELLI seconded.
    CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY.
    COUNTY OF ERIE
    LOCAL LAW INTRO. NO. 6 -2004
    LOCAL LAW NO. -2004
    A LOCAL LAW in relation to a requirement for Worker Training Programs by contractors and subcontractors under contract with the County of Erie.
    BE IT ENACTED BY THE ERIE COUNTY LEGISLATURE AS FOLLOWS:

    Section 1. Legislative Intent.
    The Erie County Legislature hereby finds, declares and determines that:
    A. There has been a long and productive history of partnership between labor and management in the training of workers in New York State.
    B. Worker training programs are valuable educational and training tools for the local workforce by reducing reliance on out-of-area labor for construction projects.
    C. Worker training programs provide opportunities to residents in this area through training and education for skilled jobs.
    D. These skilled jobs create a better opportunity for the tax dollars spent on local construction projects to remain within the local community.
    E. It would be valuable to encourage labor and business/industry to participate in worker training programs to meet the increased need for trade persons while providing residents the means to earn a better living and fostering the local and regional economies.
    F. It is valuable for local government to encourage broad participation in such worker training programs by the residents of Erie County and to foster the equal opportunity of men and women of all races and backgrounds to participate in order to enhance workforce development and diversification.
    G. The costs associated with a requirement that contractors and subcontractors performing construction and related services in contractual agreements with the County of Erie establish worker training programs are yet to be determined, but such costs will likely be mitigated significantly by
    the resulting increase in the skilled workforce from such a requirement, a circumstance that will ensure that Erie County’s local workforce will be able to accommodate the need for well- trained construction workers.
    H. This Local Law is a first step in 2004 towards a single, uniform criterion for state registered apprenticeship programs through New York State Department of Labor.
    I. It is the belief of the Erie County Legislature that the terms of this Local Law will allow the contractors and subcontractors who do business with Erie County to come into compliance with the criteria of this Local Law and, hopefully in due time with the criteria for state registered apprenticeship programs through New York State Department of Labor.
    J. Nothing in this Local Law should be read to abrogate the duty of Erie County with respect to its MBE/WBE requirements.
    Section 2. Short Title.

    This Local Law shall be known as "The Erie County Workforce Development and Diversification Apprenticeship Training Program."
    Section 3. Definitions.
    A. "Worker training program" shall mean: a state registered apprenticeship program through New York State Department of Labor that includes the following standards:
    (a) An organized, written plan in place that embodies the terms and conditions of employment, and the training and supervision of one or more workers;
    (b) A schedule of wages to be paid to the worker consistent with the skills required and approved by the New York State Department of Labor; and
    (c) Equal opportunity and affirmative action plans.
    (d) Workforce development and diversification rules ensuring that the workforce includes at least twenty-three percent (23%) minority and seven percent (7%) female participation in project personnel including trades people, trainees, journeymen, apprentices, and supervisory staff.
    B. "Commissioner" shall mean the Commissioner of the Erie County Department of Public Works.
    C. "Construction contract" shall mean any contract to which the County of Erie shall be a signatory which involves the construction, reconstruction, improvement, rehabilitation, installation, alteration, renovation, demolition or otherwise providing for any building, facility, roads, highways, bridges, or
    physical structure of any kind.
    D. "Construction subcontract" shall mean any subcontract between a contractor who has a construction contract with the County of Erie which involves the construction, reconstruction, improvement, rehabilitation, installation, alteration, renovation, demolition or otherwise providing
    for any building, facility, roads, highways, bridges, or physical structure of any kind.
    E. "Contractor" or "subcontractor" shall mean a contractor or subcontractor that directly employs workers under a construction contract or construction subcontract, as defined herein, for which a worker-training program, registered through New York State Department of labor is required.
    F. "Construction worker" shall mean an individual directly involved in the construction, reconstruction, improvement, rehabilitation, installation, alteration, renovation, demolition or otherwise providing for any building, facility, roads, highways, bridges, or physical structure of any kind.
    Section 4. Requirements and Exceptions.

    A. Any contractor, prior to entering into a construction contract, as defined herein, with the County of Erie, or any subcontractor entering into a construction subcontract, as defined herein, with a contractor who has a construction contract, as defined herein, with the County of Erie, is required to have in place a NYS Department of labor apprenticeship training program, as defined herein, either internally to the contractor or subcontractor and/or through an organization servicing several contractors or subcontractors, appropriate for the type and scope of work to be performed.
    B. For any construction worker working on a county project into which a construction contract or construction subcontract has been entered in accordance with the provisions Sections 4(A) of this local law, contractors and/or subcontractors must file with the Commissioner, a written certification
    of completion of a NYS Department of labor approved apprenticeship training program in accordance with this local law.
    C. The Commissioner shall file reports on a quarterly basis with the County Executive and the legislature as to the training of workers and certification thereof as required by section 4(B) above.
    D. Any contractor with the County of Erie, or any subcontractor entering into a construction subcontract with a contractor who has a construction contract with the County of Erie, is required to ensure that the workforce which it engages to perform work in execution of the contract or
    subcontract meets the minimal workforce diversification standards as defined in section 3(A
    subparagraph d) above, such contractors and/or subcontractors shall provide the Commissioner or designated compliance officer with the following:
    (a) A monthly workforce census and such other employment and/or payroll records necessary to verify achievement of the workforce diversity goals and demonstrate compliance with the minimum standards.
    (b) Access and cooperation to the project compliance officer to review records on-site and/or at worksite premises to validate workforce participation.
    (c) With bid submission, a statement committing to providing apprenticeship training opportunities to workers, as well as details of workforce diversification recruiting program directed at attracting candidates to fill positions to meet such requirements.
    Section 5. Rules & Regulations.
    The Commissioner of the Erie County Department of Public Works is hereby authorized to promulgate such rules and regulations that are lawful, necessary and appropriate to implement, enforce or otherwise carry out the purposes of this Local Law, provided that the Legislature, by simple majority, has not voted to disapprove such rule or regulation within sixty (60) days from the Commissioner’s written notice to the Legislature that such rule or regulation has been promulgated.
    Section 6. Equal Employment Opportunity Oversight

    The Director of the Erie County Division of Equal Employment Opportunity shall conduct oversight and review functions over apprenticeship training programs operated in accordance with the provisions of this Local Law to ensure compliance with federal, state and local laws and regulations concerning minority and women participation, and shall report to the Legislature annually concerning such compliance.
    Section 7. Review Committee
    No later than August 30, 2005, a Review Committee shall be convened, chaired by the current Chair of the Erie County Legislature’s Economic Development Committee and vice-chaired by a member of the minority caucus of the Erie County Legislature, to evaluate this Local Law. The Review
    Committee shall also include two (2) representatives of organized labor, two (2) representatives of non-union labor, one (1) representative of the Erie County Department of Public Works, and one (1)
    representative of the Minority Owned/Women Owned Business Community as approved by the Erie County Legislature. The Chair of the Erie County Legislature shall also serve as an ex-officio member of the review committee. The Director of the Bureau of Employability Development of the New York State Department of Labor shall serve the Review Committee in an advisory capacity only.
    The Review Committee shall meet no fewer than four (4) times in 2005 to educate local contractors and subcontractors about worker training programs under this Local Law and the New York State Department of Labor and to review the Local Law as implemented. The Committee, as part of their charge, must provide the Legislature with its findings and/or recommendations with respect to this Local Law by August 1, 2005.
    Section 8. Penalties.
    Violation of any provision of this Local Law shall constitute cause, grounds or other legal justification for termination of any contractual agreement with any contractor or subcontractor engaged in a construction contract or construction subcontract with the County, in accordance with County and state laws, rules and regulations governing the termination of such contractual agreements.
    Section 9. Severability. If any clause, sentence, paragraph, subdivision, section or part of this Local Law or the application thereof, to any person, individual, corporation, firm, partnership, entity or circumstance, shall be
    adjudged by any court of competent jurisdiction to be invalid or unconstitutional such order of judgment shall not affect, impair, or invalidate the remainder thereof, but shall be confined in its
    operation to the clause, sentence, paragraph, subdivision, section or part of this Local Law or in its application to the person, individual, corporation, firm, partnership, entity, or circumstance directly involved in the controversy in which such judgment or order shall be rendered.
    Section 10. Applicability.

    This Local Law shall apply to construction contracts advertised for bids on or after the effective date.
    Section 11. Effective Dates.
    This Local Law shall take effect March 15, 2005 upon its filing with the Secretary of State, in accordance with Section 27 of the New York State Municipal Home Rule Law.
    MARK J. F. SCHROEDER

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    I saw with my own eyes Tim Kennedy standing before the EC Legislature holding up a piece of paper stating that he was introducing the Apprenticeship Law and that "it will create jobs."

    I'll never forget that.

    from TK's website
    Tim also fought hard to pass the Worker Training Law. This law is known as the Apprenticeship Law, because, it requires contractors that conduct business within Erie County, at the taxpayer's expense, to enact a Worker Training or Apprenticeship program. Enacted in 2006, this law provides the youth of our communities with opportunities to learn a skill or trade that otherwise would not be available. The aim of this law is to protect the workers of WNY and give our youth the chance to live
    he's a union stooge
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    Quote Originally Posted by buffy View Post
    I saw with my own eyes Tim Kennedy standing before the EC Legislature holding up a piece of paper stating that he was introducing the Apprenticeship Law and that "it will create jobs."

    I'll never forget that.
    you saw tim kennedy up holding mark schroeder's bill shortly after being appointed to the legislature. this was all at a time before tim cut the puppet strings.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bflo_resident1 View Post
    you saw tim kennedy up holding mark schroeder's bill shortly after being appointed to the legislature. this was all at a time before tim cut the puppet strings.
    any way the wind blows

    ...I wonder if Jim Keane's horribly disappointing loss had any impact on him?
    FYI, I saw Mark Schroeder at one of those tax revolt rallys - he's another one who trys to play it both ways - it won't work.

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    Quote Originally Posted by buffy View Post

    Enacted in 2006,
    from TK's website
    he's a union stooge
    the bill itself was first introduced to the legislature june 10, 2004 signed by mark schroeder. at the time tim was following mark's lead after elected into the assembly.

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    ...so now who is he following?

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