I'm pretty sure that's all that's on the table. They still wont be able to sell liquor.
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What do you tell the business owners that have invested their life saving in their liquor stores?
Your "reasonable compromise" is telling them "we like your business model so much, that we're taking it over. And thanks for paying taxes all those years, now get the **** out."
How can you be serious about this?
Liquor stores will still be the only sellers of liquor. And I will bet, that grocery stores will not carry specialty wines, either. More like Sysco, or MD 20/20.
The only liquor stores that would suffer are the ones who either:
1) Can not adapt to a new business climate. ie selling high-end wines.
2) Do not carry liquor.
a) We all know liquor stores will be the only seller of liquor. For some reason, every one feels the need to repeat that in this thread
b) Sure, liquor stores will still have the specialty wines, but when Wegmans starts selling wine for $3/bottle, liquor stores will see 40% of their profits evaporate.
c) Adapt to a new business climate? How many high-end wine stores do you think that WNY can support?
d) There are liquor stores that don't carry liquor?
Again, you're ignoring the real crux of the matter -- NYS is doing this for no other reason than to raise a few dollars. How come when your taxes get raised you probably bitch? But when some specific mom and pops are hurt in order to raise money for the State, you're all for it??
How can you justify that??
This is a good place for a link.
http://www.speakupwny.com/forums/sho...d.php?t=105731
I wasn't suggesting that.
It was a two-part post.
However, maybe in the future New York might consider buying out these liquor stores and running them?
I'm just throwing it out there as an idea. I don't want to see ma and pa business run out anymore than you do.
However, I also don't see why grocery stores can't sell wine. It's the most ridiculous thing, ever.
Plus, if they're only allowed to sell New York State wine, I think that's a benefit for many. It'll give the wineries a good boost, for sure.
One other thing.....Anyone who thinks that supermarkets won't sell specialty wines -- have you seen the beer section at Wegmans lately?
Get real folks. The State is ****ing with a select group of small business owners. And a lot of you seem to be OK with that, because it has no negative impact on you.
I'm glad you brought up Wegmans. You know, I shop at Wegmans, because I'm willing to pay more for a better quality product?
Plus, I really like their olive bar.
Quite a few, actually. Premier Groups have like 3 already. Nucherino's is a small mom-and-pop Wine place (They sell liquor too, but their wine selection is much better).Quote:
c) Adapt to a new business climate? How many high-end wine stores do you think that WNY can support?
Quality, will 9/10 beat quantity. Lot's of businesses use that very model to be successful.
I'm sure there are. Because you have to be a "Liquor Store" to sell wine. By allowing grocers to sell wine, it can open up entire business sector of Wine Stores, which are cheaper to operate due to not having the burden of being a liquor store.Quote:
d) There are liquor stores that don't carry liquor?
Sometimes, the needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few. It's the wondrous thing about a democracy (Or, a constitutional republic actually).Quote:
Again, you're ignoring the real crux of the matter -- NYS is doing this for no other reason than to raise a few dollars. How come when your taxes get raised you probably bitch? But when some specific mom and pops are hurt in order to raise money for the State, you're all for it??
How can you justify that??
Wegmans is filling a niche that no other place does.
Name another place (Other than Premier Gourmet) where you can find a beer selection like that?
And, then ask Flying Bison, or Ithaca Brewing, if Wegmans selling their beers was a good or bad thing. I think Flying Bison had to hire another brewer once Wegman's started carrying their product.
And, I presume they're doing well. They don't seem to have an issue with the competition of Wegamans selling the same product.
I'll bet Village Beer uses yet another tack: We're a part of your community.
And, I'll also bet, many people from the community shop there.
The recession ends, people get back to work, and start buying things again. This in turn causes sales tax receipts to go back up, as well as income tax receipts.
Right now, people don't have jobs, therefore don't pay income tax. And they have no money, so they aren't out buying things, therefore, not paying sales tax.