Brilliant Move by Bush

[biker]

Last week, the President sent legislation to Congress calling for specific clarification and enumeration of the coercive interrogation techniques that the US may use.

Master stroke.

Congress is loathe to do anything in normal times. To think they will weigh in on something as emotional as this right before an election is not believable.

But I smell Rove in this.

If the Congressional Republicans are smart (and they haven't been so far this year) they will immediately approve every method the President has asked for and add to it "water-boarding".

And then sit back and wait for the Dems to howl about it.

And then paint the Dems as being soft on terrorists.

It's too much to expect The News to print headlines like, "Congressional Democrats Urge Kinder Treatment of Gitmo Detainees", but I know from my travels across the country that there are a lot of syndicated, conservative radio talk show hosts.

And they will bang this drum incessantly till November.

Brilliant move.

[biker]

He went to Congress yesterday to lobby on behalf of the legislation.

It is very rare for a President to go to Capitol Hill. That made news in and of itself.

So the Congressional Republicans may not know how to take advantage of this, but Bush sure does.

And his ratings are up.

[biker]

Senator John McCain--known as Sen. McStrange to many of his constituents--objects to anything that authorizes more coercive interrogation techniques on the grounds it will put US servicemen at risk.

Yo! John-Boy!

Remember those two servicemen captured by terrorists three months ago? The ones that were tortured, mutilated and beheaded.

US servicemen are already at risk.

A good way to protect them is to beat information out of captured terrorists.

Then we can kill more terrorists, faster.

Efficiency in carrying out the mission is always to be lauded.

[speaker]

Sen. McCain is well loved by his fellow citizens--make no mistake about that.

Biker, are you saying that Bush is willing to set the whole world backwards into barbarism, just for political gain?

[biker]

You must've been one of the reporters at the press conference that Bush smacked around.

Maybe Helen Thomas that Tony Snow smacked three weeks ago. After one of her carping questions, Snow said "Thank you for the al-Quaeda perspective, Helen."

No, Speaker, he's not doing it for political gain. He's doing it to fight terrorism.

And apparently your rosy glasses have dimmed your eyesight. A world where heads are sawed off on the internet is already a pretty barbaric place.

Your heroes Kerry and Murtha seem to think Dems can talk reason to these folks.

Why don't you give it a try?

[biker]

Sen. McCain is well loved by his fellow citizens--make no mistake about that.

By some of his constituents.

You think two weeks in Tucson makes you the official Arizona spokesman?

Johnboy is just the West Coast RINO club president. (The closest he's gonna get to president of anything.)

[biker]

Bush had to put up with a couple of needling questions at the outset. Dave XXXX kept the microphone for two follow-ups. Or tried to.

Dave started back with "The important point I was trying to make.."

Bush cut him off abruptly, "I made the important point, which was that these interrogation techniques are necessary to wage the war on terror successfully."

( Heyyyy Daaavee. I thought reporters were supposed to report, not "make points.")

[WestSideJohn]

Your heroes Kerry and Murtha seem to think Dems can talk reason to these folks.
Damn right they're my heroes. Anyone - regardless of political affiliation - who serves our nation in combat is a hero to me. Add John McCain to the list, a man who knows all too well what torture can and cannot accomplish.

[speaker]

You must've been one of the reporters at the press conference that Bush smacked around.

Maybe Helen Thomas that Tony Snow smacked three weeks ago. After one of her carping questions, Snow said "Thank you for the al-Quaeda perspective, Helen."

No, Speaker, he's not doing it for political gain. He's doing it to fight terrorism.

And apparently your rosy glasses have dimmed your eyesight. A world where heads are sawed off on the internet is already a pretty barbaric place.

Your heroes Kerry and Murtha seem to think Dems can talk reason to these folks.

Why don't you give it a try?

Heads sawed off on the internet? Did you enjoy it?
So, two wrongs make a RIGHT?

And don't you think you've harped on the same old Murtha tune long enough?
Is that ALL you've got?

But I've reread your post and still don't see where you don't consider it a "brilliant" political move.

I consider it a short sighted proposal. As usual.

[biker]

Heads sawed off on the internet? Did you enjoy it?
So, two wrongs make a RIGHT?

And don't you think you've harped on the same old Murtha tune long enough?
Is that ALL you've got?

But I've reread your post and still don't see where you don't consider it a "brilliant" political move.

I consider it a short sighted proposal. As usual.

Victory makes a right. And coercive interrogation will speed victory.

Are you blind? The thread reads "Brilliant Move by Bush". You've added the political to it. Desparate Democrats always view things politically, so I forgive your mistake.

Give up Murtha. Are you kidding? Murtha, Kerry, Sheehan. Between them, the two smartest minds in the Democratic Party.

[biker]

In Britain, you can bet on anything.

Two months ago, the betting was strong that the Dems would take over the HOuse this November. By twelve points.

After the pirmaries, the betting line is only 49 to 51%, favoring the Dems.

Wait till the average voter begins to focus on the specific alternatives the Dems offer on just about anything.

The average voter will find there's no there there.

And the Dems will go into their twelfth year of wandering in the wilderness.

If forty years was good enough for the Israelis, it's good enough for the Dems.

(That's an allusion to a story in the Bible. You know, the theological book of the Christians. Many of you Dems have never heard of it, so I thought I'd give you an explanation.)

[1964]

Damn right they're my heroes. Anyone - regardless of political affiliation - who serves our nation in combat is a hero to me. Add John McCain to the list, a man who knows all too well what torture can and cannot accomplish.

Then I am a hero too!

[biker]

Then please weigh in, 1964. WSJ must've stumbled in from the "heroes" thread.

[1964]

I have a list of Heroes but Murtha and Kerry ... are not on it. I don't have a "blanket" attitude for anything. Serving in the USMC was MY honor, and a privledge to do my part. Knowing that I could be killed was told to me upfront. I accepted and did my job. I am not a hero, just an Honorably discharged Marine.

[tgace]

Holy crap Im starting to agree with Biker! If he keeps this up I just might take him off my ignore list.

[WestSideJohn]

Then I am a hero too!Absolutely.

[biker]

Holy crap Im starting to agree with Biker! If he keeps this up I just might take him off my ignore list.

Do us both a favor; keep him on.

[LHardy]

I could not stop laughing as President Bush told reporters where to step off yesterday. It was about time.
It is a stroke of genious and now please tells us, democrats, what are the prefered methods of gaining information from the terrorists. That will be in keeping with your ideals of what torture is not. We know that using dogs and panties are no, no's but what else? Threating to tell their mothers or is it Murtha's?
Brillant stroke Mr. President. Brillant!

[biker]

I've thought of one that doesn't involve beating, shocking, freezing or drowning.

Take Abdullah down to the local IBP slaughterhouse on hog day. Pick out a big fresh pigskin and sew him up in it, with his head sticking out.

Then have a group of Marines, fresh from a tour in Iraq, play soccer with him till he gives up the info. we're after.

Rinse and repeat as necessary.

[LHardy]

Lol :)

[tomac]

I've thought of one that doesn't involve beating, shocking, freezing or drowning.
Take Abdullah down to the local IBP slaughterhouse on hog day. Pick out a big fresh pigskin and sew him up in it, with his head sticking out.
Then have a group of Marines, fresh from a tour in Iraq, play soccer with him till he gives up the info. we're after.
Rinse and repeat as necessary.

Close but no cigar!
Make him carry said pigskin to a landfill and dif a grave-sized pit.
Then tell him he will be sewn up in that skin and buried alive in that pit.
Dying "unclean" will keep him out of Paradise (no room for forgiveness in that set of BS beliefs).
Odds are real good that he'll be blubbering and telling you all you need before the skin has been sewn up much past his knees.
Besides, why should the Marines have to dirty their feet with the likes of Islamic scum?
P.S. After he gives up any useful information, you could still plant him in the landfill and save yourself the price of his "upkeep".

:mad:

[DR_GONZO]

Why not just continue with these covert interrogation techniques and just deny the fact they are taking place? Everytime something is leaked, just make the statement that these rumors are just that, rumors. Many countries do this. As stated by one individual(forget who), we all know what Al Qaeda does with it's prisoners. They torture, cut off heads, and mutilate the corpses.

This war is all about the end of one side or the other. There can be no inbetween. As far as trials, I would rather there be none. End it on the battlefield. If it is someone worth covert interrogation or the proper label, extraordinary rendition, then have at it. Once the information is viable, eliminate the extremist enemy.

[biker]

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Besides, why should the Marines have to dirty their feet with the likes of Islamic scum?

:mad:

It'd be volunteer duty.

Think we'd lack for a team?

[biker]

Why not just continue with these covert interrogation techniques and just deny the fact they are taking place? Everytime something is leaked, just make the statement that these rumors are just that, rumors. Many countries do this. As stated by one individual(forget who), we all know what Al Qaeda does with it's prisoners. They torture, cut off heads, and mutilate the corpses.

This war is all about the end of one side or the other. There can be no inbetween. As far as trials, I would rather there be none. End it on the battlefield. If it is someone worth covert interrogation or the proper label, extraordinary rendition, then have at it. Once the information is viable, eliminate the extremist enemy.

I agree with your plan and so did our government.

Then traitors---like the New York Times---decided all on their own that it was proper to disclose govt secrets. Not any elected or appointed officials, but the self-appointed critics of the NYT. Our sob sister European allies then felt compelled to complain. Too misguided to protect themselves, those who were silent in riots about cartoons felt compelled to publicly criticize their protector.

As Churchill said, the only thing worse than having allies is to have no allies.

What I do completely agree with you about, is that there will be no in between in this war.