I don't want to be a celebrity, said Giza

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:confused: Partial quote from article on SUWNY : Giza went on to say he was dealing in good faith with two town supervisors and “right away the next day it’s on the Internet. I checked with the legal department of the state and it’s not illegal to do it” – sign an agreement to contract police services for another town. “I don’t want to do that, but it’s my job to report to you guys what is happening. I will continue to do that, but I will be more cautious when I will tell you what’s going to happen; its not going to be on the Internet the next day. I don’t want to be a celebrity.” (End quote)

:eek: I guess i must have read this wrong - Mr.Giza first denies the deal !

Then he says he "was dealing in good faith with two town supervisors."
Was he or wasn't he proposing a deal/contract to provide services?

He goes on to say , " I don’t want to do that , but it’s my job to report to you guys what is happening . I will continue to do that , but I will be more cautious when I will tell you what’s going to happen : "

Is he saying he will be more truthfully open in the future - or - is he actually implying he could be even more deceptive ?

He states , " I don’t want to be a celebrity."

Does that mean he wishes to end the treatment he receives from all his supporters . Does that mean he wishes to be treated like any other taxpayer ?

Well here's the easy answers :

Don't be so vague when questions are posed.

Stop pretending that the real reason you discussed this and other issues at Town Board meetings& work sessions is so later you can say , " I did bring this to the boards attention before i inked the deal ! " As you have so many times in your career as a politician .

Finally if you resent the special treatment , heres a few things you can do to change the way your perceived:

Drive a more economical " Town Owned " ( taxpayer funded , including fuel and maintenance ) vehicle . Not the gas guzzling , remote starting one you had purchased without board or taxpayers prior approval .

Stop using the " Towns " taxpayer funded cell phone for personal calls.

Stop taking credit for every and any " Good Thing " that happens in Lancaster . Do you want us to believe the only " Good Thing " other board members like Rufino have done is put a real big clock next the the senior towers?

And why do all these " Good things " you do keep our taxes going up and our water pressure going down ?

Your " Good Things " are always approved and enjoyed by the few and paid for with tax dollars from us all.

I don't know maybe i just misunderstood you.

P.S. I do agree with one point you made, " My(your) job is to report to us." not to dictate. Thanks!

[colossus27]

Giza is a waste of air, plain and simple.

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Giza is a waste of air, plain and simple.

Sir,
Thats a confusing observation! Three thousand of your neighbors must love this guy. His Depew following is about 3-400.

Look at the past elections-he is always pulled back into Lancaster's Town Hall via the Depew voters.I wonder why?

One need only look at past Town Board members - If a non Democrat gets elected that person gets pummeled. Gizites will use every dirty trick in the book to undermine,embarrass and dislodge this person or persons.

Why: one would think its "Party Politics" - well its much much deeper than that . Its Lancaster History . Go back and read the list of Lancaster's " Past and present public Servants " Go to the parks department and then read the past students list at ST Mary's. Look at who sells Lancaster most of there cars( Fords).

Look at the plaza with our new low cost food store(Old Boise's building). Drive around the block and really look at who rents portions of it. Last but not least TRY and find out who owns it - try to find out why when it was purchased even the down payment came from the Lancaster IDA- Wasn't Giza on that IDA board at the time. Aren't the owners past and present TOWN and VILLAGE OFFICIALS/Employees?

Its not Giza - its the culture he was raised in . Using the system is his forte - breaking or bending the truth or a law or two is his inheritance.

Nixon said " I am not a crook!" Giza says: I am a nice guy!":p
They both truly believe "If you say it enough times- you and others will believe its true!"

[colossus27]

Sir,
Thats a confusing observation! Three thousand of your neighbors must love this guy. His Depew following is about 3-400.

Look at the past elections-he is always pulled back into Lancaster's Town Hall via the Depew voters.I wonder why?

Ok- forgive my ignorance here--- I know he lives in Depew- the question is this- why does Depew have a say in his being voted in? Sounds like it's time for a Tea Party at Como Park....

[therising]

Look at the plaza with our new low cost food store(Old Boise's building). Drive around the block and really look at who rents portions of it. Last but not least TRY and find out who owns it - try to find out why when it was purchased even the down payment came from the Lancaster IDA- Wasn't Giza on that IDA board at the time. Aren't the owners past and present TOWN and VILLAGE OFFICIALS/Employees?


Bullit:

You may want to get get some facts straight before you slam people. The BOCES building is owned by the Lancaster Village Community Development Corporation, a non-proft arm of the Village.

The CDC bought this building with the sole intention of, eventually, demolishing a portion of it, so that West Main Street can be redeveloped and let out into Aurora Street.

This was done to correct Urban Planning mistakes of the 60's and 70's. At one time, West Main Street was apparently a thriving little street. Then the BOCES bldg was built (it was originally a department store, I believe). It may have seemed like a good idea at the time, but it helped to kill that little Village.

Seriously, Bullitt....this type of hearsay happens often. You really ought to look into things a little better before you spread slanderous stories.

[colossus27]

This was done to correct Urban Planning mistakes of the 60's and 70's. At one time, West Main Street was apparently a thriving little street. Then the BOCES bldg was built (it was originally a department store, I believe). It may have seemed like a good idea at the time, but it helped to kill that little Village.

A supermarket was there too- Big D or Big H- can't recall which, I was in 2nd grade when we went shopping there.

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:confused: Bullit:

You may want to get get some facts straight before you slam people. The BOYCE'S building is owned by the Lancaster Village Community Development Corporation, a non-proft arm of the Village.

The CDC bought this building with the sole intention of, eventually, demolishing a portion of it, so that West Main Street can be redeveloped and let out into Aurora Street.

This was done to correct Urban Planning mistakes of the 60's and 70's. At one time, West Main Street was apparently a thriving little street. Then the BOCES bldg was built (it was originally a department store, I believe). It may have seemed like a good idea at the time, but it helped to kill that little Village.

Seriously, Bullitt....this type of hearsay happens often. You really ought to look into things a little better before you spread slanderous stories.



Lancaster Village Community Development Corporation, a non-profit arm of the Village. " ARM of the Village " is that phrase meant to inform or mislead ? Is the " ARM of the Village " a private group or is this a department of the Village ? What are you trying to say ? You said its a " non - for profit group " , if its an " ARM " of our government - does that mean the Village owns this property ? (we're getting warmer!!!)

Again - it doesn't matter if they used the cover of a " non for profit group ". One would think if it were a group of civic minded , unselfish , without personal profit - then they would all want billboards with their names for all to see .Why hide behind a "Group or ARM of the Village."

Maybe their shy - Or Like Giza said , " I don't want to be a celebrity . "

Your trying to use Old info to hide present day facts .

Who are the members of this group/ARM? Aren't they mostly past and present either Elected or appointed Lancaster Officials ? You didn't even touch on that!

Where did the money come from- didn't they get money from the Lancaster Development Association/Agency?

Was Giza not active with the agency then?

Wasn't the repurchase also an issue Giza pushed after the "ARM" bought it?

Finally , the facts are there and slander is false statements made to hurt someone . You seem to have all the answers . Try and be honest enough to answer honestly instead of confusing old facts to avoid the actual answers being sought .

P.S. If you can present factual answers to my questions and they lead in anyway to slander i will turn myself in to the local judge once you post the truth and its found to be slanderous. I think in your vague threat you should have said it may be embarrassing to some involved , maybe even illegal , but definitely not at all slanderous.:eek:

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:( :eek:

[therising]

You are looking for a conspiracy which does not exist.

Happy Hunting, anyway. Let us know what type of tittiliating info you dig up.

One would think if it were a group of civic minded , unselfish , without personal profit - then they would all want billboards with their names for all to see .Why hide behind a "Group or ARM of the Village."

Umm, actually, No. Sometimes people volunteer their time simply because it's the right thing to do.

Your trying to use Old info to hide present day facts

Kindly elaborate.

Who are the members of this group/ARM? Aren't they mostly past and present either Elected or appointed Lancaster Officials ? You didn't even touch on that!

It's public information. I even googled it for you:
http://www.lancastervillage.org/framework.php?module=commerce


You seem to have all the answers .
Thank you, you're too kind. But I must confess that I do NOT have all the answers.

. I think in your vague threat you should have said it may be embarrassing to some involved , maybe even illegal , but definitely not at all slanderous.
You REALLY misread my post, didn't you? I was being nice to you.

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You are looking for a conspiracy which does not exist.
Happy Hunting, anyway. Let us know what type of tittiliating info you dig up.
Umm, actually, No. Sometimes people volunteer their time simply because it's the right thing to do.

:eek: Not a conspiracy type person , nor do i hunt . I just like transparency in government . I am not condemning , if the efforts are honest and the stated reason correct .

Kindly elaborate.
How Does the monies taken in from this property benefit the TAXPAYERS?

Are you saying , No present or past Elected or Appointed Town & or Village employees have ever received monies associated with this project?





It's public information. I even googled it for you:
http://www.lancastervillage.org/framework.php?module=commerce

Yes this website is public : It does not answer any of the stated questions : Who are the members of the "ARM" of Lancaster's Village Government That are responsible for this purchase , Ownership , was public/taxpayers monies used to finance this purchase , Who are the members & or parties of interest in this property , is this a " Village owned asset "

Thank you, you're too kind. But I must confess that I do NOT have all the answers.You REALLY misread my post, didn't you? I was being nice to you.

Thanks again - you do know allot more than you let on . If you call insinuating " Slander " is being nice - well please consider answering the questions instead of trying to be " Nice . "

[Gandalf]

Hello Bullitt, Well Hello Bullitt, it's so nice to see you back where you belong!

[therising]

How Does the monies taken in from this property benefit the TAXPAYERS?

Are you saying , No present or past Elected or Appointed Town & or Village employees have ever received monies associated with this project?

You're taking me to be an expert on this. I don't have all the answers to your questions. I do know, however, that this statement was just plain wrong, as it insinuates that people are using that building for personal profit:

Drive around the block and really look at who rents portions of it. Last but not least TRY and find out who owns it - try to find out why when it was purchased even the down payment came from the Lancaster IDA- Wasn't Giza on that IDA board at the time. Aren't the owners past and present TOWN and VILLAGE OFFICIALS/Employees?


If you know something that I'm not aware of, just come out and say it.

Just for the record, the building was acquired through a land swap. Casillio previously owned it, and swapped for land in the Industrial Park. Reason being, once again, so that the Village could control future development. Not exactly controversial, the way I see it.

As for your statment of "look at who rents portions of it"...What, exactly, are you referring to??

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Rising,
First you try to misdirect , misinform while discrediting my concerns --
IE: You give a website to prove your version of who owns the property.
You insinuate "Slanderous" statements on my part.
Now you say "It was a land swap."

It should be obvious to anyone reading these posts that once you feel cornered - you try and reverse the questions. You never once even answered one question.
Lancaster Village taxpayers should want to know where the monies go!

How Does the monies taken in from this property benefit the TAXPAYERS?

Are you saying , No present or past Elected or Appointed Town & or Village employees have ever received monies associated with this project.

Yes this website is public : It does not answer any of the stated questions : Who are the members of the "ARM" of Lancaster's Village Government That are responsible for this purchase , Ownership , was public/taxpayers monies used to finance this purchase , Who are the members & or parties of interest in this property , is this a " Village owned asset "

Maybe Mr.Everet would be able to help!

[Batman]

Lancaster is run pretty well. I don't know what anyone has to bitch about. There have been no scandals and the board members, supervisor and department heads are accessible. Small, local government is much more responsive and they are your neighbors.

[therising]

It should be obvious to anyone reading these posts that once you feel cornered - you try and reverse the questions. You never once even answered one question.
Lancaster Village taxpayers should want to know where the monies go!


Now, I'm realizing that talking to you is simply a waste of time.

I answered a bunch of your questions. I also said:

You're taking me to be an expert on this. I don't have all the answers to your questions.

Listen to me closely, Bullitt: I don't owe you a thing. I've gone out of my way to answer any questions to which I had the answers.
You have done NOTHING but throw around insinuations, and questions that attempt to lead people to think that there's corruption involved here.

Come up with something concrete. Don't expect others to do your work for you.

[colossus27]

Lancaster is run pretty well. I don't know what anyone has to bitch about. There have been no scandals and the board members, supervisor and department heads are accessible. Small, local government is much more responsive and they are your neighbors.

Since when does 'no scandal' constitute effective government?? Or do you mean that Giza is both upcoming and forthright during board meetings? This particular neighbor of mine has a Depew address, BTW.

[therising]

This particular neighbor of mine has a Depew address, BTW.

Are you referring to the fact that Giza lives in Depew? What's your point?:confused:

[colossus27]

Are you referring to the fact that Giza lives in Depew? What's your point?:confused:

The point is that he's not my neighbor.

Any thoughts about my first point?

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:eek: Lancaster is run pretty well. I don't know what anyone has to bitch about. There have been no scandals and the board members, supervisor and department heads are accessible. Small, local government is much more responsive and they are your neighbors.

Lancaster is a great place to live . As far as " Scandals " you mean ones allowed to be public . Its easy to cloak things when you live in Smallsville . Lets say you have a Justice system that is controlled at every level by the same party/family/relatives .

Lets say some elected/or family member of the inner circle has a small or potentially large problem . Its allot easier to hide it when all those involved seem to agree on how to handle things , " In House "

If some one you don't appreciate , happens to get in your way you simply make sure the press and others get the story and maybe they enlarge it a bit . It doesn't hurt if a family member of the controlling party works for the press . Even if this person ends up " Found not guilty " no one covers that . The damage is done , As the Town Attorney said
" Perception is reality. "

Nepotism and patronage are two powerful tools.
Now throw in family,relatives,God parents and party members.

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Rising,

It does seem like a nerve has been struck ! You seem to enjoy presenting info to counter peoples concerns - about assessments and such. You have a easily understood pro status quo attitude .

I am simply asking, if public funds were used(including down payment) and Elected/appointed officials effected this purchase -

Who owns the property?
Taxpayers or the members of the "Non-for Profit group"
If its the taxpayers - how does this benefit the taxpayers?
Where does the money go- does it help offset Village taxes?

You seem to like to defend our local officials . You answer with the sound of authority when it suits you.Then you act imposed upon when cornered.

Thanks for your time and maybe you should get your facts before you talk down to people!

[therising]

Rising,

It does seem like a nerve has been struck ! You seem to enjoy presenting info to counter peoples concerns - about assessments and such. You have a easily understood pro status quo attitude .

I am simply asking, if public funds were used(including down payment) and Elected/appointed officials effected this purchase -

Who owns the property?
Taxpayers or the members of the "Non-for Profit group"
If its the taxpayers - how does this benefit the taxpayers?
Where does the money go- does it help offset Village taxes?

You seem to like to defend our local officials . You answer with the sound of authority when it suits you.Then you act imposed upon when cornered.

Thanks for your time and maybe you should get your facts before you talk down to people!


I've answered as many of your questions as I can, not sure why you're looking to a stranger online for your resources.

You know nothing about me. Why don't you use your usual tricks and start insinuating things?

For the record, you never "cornered" me, nor did you "strike a nerve" Stop thinking so much of yourself.

[therising]

While I'm at it, I may as well school you once again

Who owns the property?
Taxpayers or the members of the "Non-for Profit group"
If its the taxpayers - how does this benefit the taxpayers?
Where does the money go- does it help offset Village taxes?

As I said earlier, it owned by the "Lancaster Village Community Development Corporation. No one makes money off this. It was purchased as part of a long-term project to revitalize the Village. I doubt there is much, if any, profit, being generated from the building.

Now, I've answered even more of your questions, and it's time for me to ask you one, simple one:

Why does this bother you? What do you suspect is going on here??

[Batman]

Why does this bother you? What do you suspect is going on here??
I suspect he has some axe to grind or is getting fed BS.

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While I'm at it, I may as well school you once again



As I said earlier, it owned by the "Lancaster Village Community Development Corporation. No one makes money off this. It was purchased as part of a long-term project to revitalize the Village. I doubt there is much, if any, profit, being generated from the building.

Now, I've answered even more of your questions, and it's time for me to ask you one, simple one:

Why does this bother you? What do you suspect is going on here??

Res,

I guess maybe i have been to hard on you! I thought because you respond for "Village of Lancaster and Town of Lancaster Politics" thread , and you seem to slant toward the "Admin. side" in your responses - that you were actually speaking with some inside authority or knowledge. Sorry if i misunderstood you!

I just think that it seems weird that:Taxpayers funds were used in this purchase.That past and present Elected and Appointed Employees are the ones behind this deal.

The info on the site you provided , gave little info about actual members of this " Non-for Profit Group " / " Arm " of the Lancaster Village Government.

While this venture may not be "Producing much if any profit" at present! What happens when and if that area is redeveloped ? ?
Is the land to be sold to the Town and or Village?
If so - does the money go to the "Non_for Profit agency?"
If this is Part of the "Village Government" then why not list it as a "Village Asset?"

OK : I posted these questions for two reasons : I hoped you or someone who reads it will (if possible) share the answers with all. I try to get answers and find it vary hard to get a straight , total answer.
But your correct: I shouldn't assume your that well connected. I apologize for offending you.
If anyone has info to share , please post. So far the only people i can find info about their involvement is Giza,Everet,Cansdale and Stribing. Since this whole thing is probably just that these people and others involved feel they are simply helping the Town as a whole - and have not nor will eventually profit from this (Monetarily), ;)
Then i just wish to applaud them OPENLY!

[summerfield1973]

Ok- forgive my ignorance here--- I know he lives in Depew- the question is this- why does Depew have a say in his being voted in? Sounds like it's time for a Tea Party at Como Park....


First off............He lives in Lancaster school district, Depew mailing address.

Bob Giza is a mental midget, always was...........so is his son

Ask them about the "gambling scandal" that went down at the Lancaster-Depew Boys Club.....

He needs to go, Lancaster is growing to big for his mental capacity.

Hey Bob......."When are you going to get it through your thick skull"

This is what he used to yell at 3rd and 4th graders in St. Mary's gym class.

Like I said, simple things from simple minds.......

I am a Lancaster original, Born and Bred............ I am part of the "connections"

Well, it is time to change.......We need some new blood in local government....

It is almost tempting me to run.