NRA Update

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Click here; Direct link to NRA-ILA (http://www.nraila.org/Legislation/Federal/Read.aspx?id=5181)




Your Help Is Needed In Support of BATFE Reform Bills S. 941 And H.R. 2296 (http://www.nraila.org/Legislation/Federal/Read.aspx?id=5154)

As we reported (http://www.nraila.org/Legislation/Federal/Read.aspx?id=4851) in May, Senator Mike Crapo (R-Idaho) and Senate Judiciary Committee Chairman Patrick Leahy (D-Vt.) have introduced S. 941, the "Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives Reform and Firearms Modernization Act of 2009" in the U.S. Senate. Representatives Steve King (R-Iowa) and Zack Space (D-Ohio) have introduced a companion bill-H.R. 2296-in the U.S. House. The bills would roll back unnecessary restrictions, correct errors, and codify longstanding congressional policies in the firearms arena. These bipartisan bills are a vital step to modernize and improve BATFE operations.

Of highest importance, S. 941and H.R. 2296 totally rewrite the system of administrative penalties for licensed dealers, manufacturers and importers of firearms. Currently, for most violations, BATFE can only give a federal firearms license (FFL) holder a warning, or revoke his license.

S. 941 and H.R. 2296 would allow fines or license suspensions for less serious violations, while still allowing license revocation for the kind of serious violations that would block an investigation or put guns in the hands of criminals. This will help prevent the all-too-common situations where BATFE has revoked licenses for insignificant technical violations-such as improper use of abbreviations or filing records in the wrong order.

S. 941 represents the first time such BATFE reform legislation has been introduced in the Senate. However, the House passed similar legislation (H.R. 5092) in the 109th Congress by a 277-131 vote (http://clerk.house.gov/evs/2006/roll476.xml). A majority of the House--224 congressmen (http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/bdquery/z?d110:HR04900:@@@P)--cosponsored H.R. 4900 in the 110th Congress.
A fact sheet on S. 941/H.R. 2296 can be found here (http://www.nraila.org/Issues/FactSheets/Read.aspx?id=251&issue=28).

As of this writing, S. 941 has 15 cosponsors (http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/bdquery/z?d111:SN00941:@@@P), and H.R. 2296 has 187 cosponsors (http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/bdquery/z?d111:HR02296:@@@P).
Please be sure to contact your U.S. Senators and Representative, and ask them to cosponsor and support S. 941 and H.R. 2296! You can call your U.S. Senators at (202) 224-3121, and your U.S. Representative at (202) 225-3121.

[zanna vaida]

Why does it take so long to get a pistol permit?

[MarkLV]

Why does it take so long to get a pistol permit?

New York, Erie County in particular, has a long drawn-out process that requires a State Supreme Court Judge to approve applications. The length of term for this judicial position is only 6 months long. That itself causes much of the delay. Also, the local police departments usually have only 1 detective assigned for that particular towns background checks of its residents who apply, and this also delays the process.

If you call the pistol permit department to check on the progress, they will usually tell you it is being delayed by the FBI, who have to do a background/fingerprint report. Truth is that it only takes a couple of seconds for the FBI to complete the National Crime Information Center (NCIC) database check.

Most of NY states' draconian pistol laws are based on the Sullivan Act of 1911, which was sponsored by a corrupt ( :eek: ) NY Senator named Timothy Sullivan.

[nogods]

If the suprepme court rules that the second amendment applies to the states, then it won't be long before an action is commenced arguing that NYS counties that unduly delay processing of pistol permits are in effect denying applicants their second amendment rights.

NYS law currently requires that the application be acted upon within six months of submission, and if it is not, then the county is required to send the applicant a letter stating the reason for the delay (and failure of the FBI to respond to a fingerprint check is not suffcient reason.) the county never sends such letters.

The county violates that law as a regular practice. The county doesn't send the file to the investigative police department until six months after the application has been submitted. Then it takes six months for the one dective assigned to pistol permits to get to your file, another month for him or her to complete the investigation, and another month or two for him or her to deliver the paperwork to erie county. Then it can be another month to six months before the judge reviews the applications and acts on them, so the whole process can take a year to 18 months to be completed.

I'll bet if the supremes hold that the 2nd applies to the state, they would also hold that erie county's inordinate delay is a violation of applicants' second amendment rights.

Of course, if the supremes hold that the 2nd does apply to the states, there probably will never be another pistol permit issued in erie county.

[sharky]

Chautauqua county is fast, for NY at least

[zanna vaida]

It's my understanding and based on your knowledge, it's good to check with a local pistol permit officer to update me on the status of my application. Am I correct?

[nogods]

It's my understanding and based on your knowledge, it's good to check with a local pistol permit officer to update me on the status of my application. Am I correct?

Yes, but wherever it is in the pile is probably where it will stay until it gets to the top. But it doesn't hurt to ask where it is.

And the local police investigator can't do anything until the county sends the permit out for investigation. If you call the Erie county Pistol Permit division to check on the status of your permit they'll just say "it is in process."


Check with Erie county first to see if they have sent it out for investigation. then call the investigtive detective and ask if he has any problems getting ahold of your references. If so, offer to ask your references to call him. that might speed things up a little.
Right now, the controlling Court of Appeals decisions hold that the 2nd Amendment does not apply to the states, so NYS and Erie county can do just about anything they want with regard to pistol permits. If the Chicago case decides that the 2nd amendment applies to the states then Erie county will have to act more promptly or will surely get sued by someone.

[zanna vaida]

... But it doesn't hurt to ask where it is.

Right now, the controlling Court of Appeals decisions hold that the 2nd Amendment does not apply to the states, so NYS and Erie county can do just about anything they want with regard to pistol permits. If the Chicago case decides that the 2nd amendment applies to the states then Erie county will have to act more promptly or will surely get sued by someone.


Thank you for the information. I agree that "it doesn't hurt to ask where it is."

Any updates on a new public range in Lackawanna?

When I was a teenager, we had a shooting range in school and a Public Defense course was mandatory requirement for a high school diploma. We were trained to take K47 and a pistol apart with closed eyes in 45 seconds. We had to pass a test. Practice, practice, practice.

[ryan]

If the Chicago case decides that the 2nd amendment applies to the states then Erie county will have to act more promptly or will surely get sued by someone.

If it comes out that the 2nd amendment doesn't apply to the states, how does this affect rifles and shotguns, both in NY and around the country? I feel if NY was given the opportunity they would ban all firearms.

[nogods]

If it comes out that the 2nd amendment doesn't apply to the states, how does this affect rifles and shotguns, both in NY and around the country? I feel if NY was given the opportunity they would ban all firearms.

I think if the Chicago case decides the 2nd does not apply to the states then NY might enact a ban of long guns except for people with a hunting license or farmers. hunting anf farm use of long guns are too ingrained for the legislator to be able to ban it, at least in the foreseeable future.

[raoul duke]

Click here; Direct link to NRA-ILA (http://www.nraila.org/Legislation/Federal/Read.aspx?id=5181)




Your Help Is Needed In Support of BATFE Reform Bills S. 941 And H.R. 2296 (http://www.nraila.org/Legislation/Federal/Read.aspx?id=5154)

As we reported (http://www.nraila.org/Legislation/Federal/Read.aspx?id=4851) in May, Senator Mike Crapo (R-Idaho) and Senate Judiciary Committee Chairman Patrick Leahy (D-Vt.) have introduced S. 941, the "Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives Reform and Firearms Modernization Act of 2009" in the U.S. Senate. Representatives Steve King (R-Iowa) and Zack Space (D-Ohio) have introduced a companion bill-H.R. 2296-in the U.S. House. The bills would roll back unnecessary restrictions, correct errors, and codify longstanding congressional policies in the firearms arena. These bipartisan bills are a vital step to modernize and improve BATFE operations.

Of highest importance, S. 941and H.R. 2296 totally rewrite the system of administrative penalties for licensed dealers, manufacturers and importers of firearms. Currently, for most violations, BATFE can only give a federal firearms license (FFL) holder a warning, or revoke his license.

S. 941 and H.R. 2296 would allow fines or license suspensions for less serious violations, while still allowing license revocation for the kind of serious violations that would block an investigation or put guns in the hands of criminals. This will help prevent the all-too-common situations where BATFE has revoked licenses for insignificant technical violations-such as improper use of abbreviations or filing records in the wrong order.

S. 941 represents the first time such BATFE reform legislation has been introduced in the Senate. However, the House passed similar legislation (H.R. 5092) in the 109th Congress by a 277-131 vote (http://clerk.house.gov/evs/2006/roll476.xml). A majority of the House--224 congressmen (http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/bdquery/z?d110:HR04900:@@@P)--cosponsored H.R. 4900 in the 110th Congress.
A fact sheet on S. 941/H.R. 2296 can be found here (http://www.nraila.org/Issues/FactSheets/Read.aspx?id=251&issue=28).

As of this writing, S. 941 has 15 cosponsors (http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/bdquery/z?d111:SN00941:@@@P), and H.R. 2296 has 187 cosponsors (http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/bdquery/z?d111:HR02296:@@@P).
Please be sure to contact your U.S. Senators and Representative, and ask them to cosponsor and support S. 941 and H.R. 2296! You can call your U.S. Senators at (202) 224-3121, and your U.S. Representative at (202) 225-3121.

So. . . does this help close the loophole where once legally owned/possessed firearms stop becoming 99% of the illegally owned/possessed tools in crime? Also, why is the NRA, a purportedly conservative organization, endorsing legislation that changes what has been a long established as a state prerogative?

[While I usually would not use the word "right" (at least not in any "granted" form or meaning) when talking about the Constitution. Please allow me this indulgence] The right to own firearms is expressly allowed by the 2nd Amendment. However, the right of the individual states to regulate the ownership of the same has been routinely upheld under the "reserved powers" clause of the 10th Amendment.

Color me confused, sorta.

[4248]

I think if the Chicago case decides the 2nd does not apply to the states then NY might enact a ban of long guns except for people with a hunting license or farmers. hunting anf farm use of long guns are too ingrained for the legislator to be able to ban it, at least in the foreseeable future.



Thats what citizens in Australia thought too!
:(

[raoul duke]

Where does the idea that any person or group with an opinion, and enough juice to actually matter, wants to ban the private ownership of guns come from? Aside from the right wing, where is this idea even articulated? And by whom? Specifically.

Either way: Relax. The Feds ain't coming for yer gunz, no matter what the NRA tells you. Fever dreams, fantasy and 50 different state bureaucracies do not a reality make.

[4248]

Who was the the most famous person in history to implement "Forced Registration" of guns upon a Country?

Who was that person, that then used that information to confiscate those firearms from civilians. Under the guise of anti-terrorism?

Who just this year sat down with other Global Leaders to discuss world wide gun control laws?

Who now wants all guns registered?

Don't use the word "never" or the phrase "Couldn't Happen" -

Remember "never" is a dirty word and "Anything is possible" is a Political/Governmental slogan in America!:rolleyes:

[zanna vaida]

Either way: Relax. The Feds ain't coming for yer gunz, no matter what the NRA tells you. Fever dreams, fantasy and 50 different state bureaucracies do not a reality make.

You be surprised what lobbiest and money can do. In life, expect unexpected. Hey, you never know!

[4248]

Governor Schwarzenegger/California Lawmakers Squander Limited Financial Resources on Firearm Owner Registration Scheme


Tuesday, October 13, 2009


Fairfax, Va. - Governor Schwarzenegger has signed a severe yet impotent gun control measure into law. Assembly Bill 962, taking effect on February 1, 2011, mandates individuals purchasing ammunition to be fingerprinted and registered at the time of sale and outlaws mail order ammunition purchases.

AB 962 also requires dealers to maintain these records indefinitely and make them available for inspection by the California Department of Justice. As an additional burden, ammunition retailers are also required to store ammunition away from purchasers. AB 962 also failed to garner support from Attorney General Brown, and any law enforcement organization. In fact, 15 sheriffs wrote letters of opposition to this legislation.

“This law presents intrusive and unnecessary burdens that will only affect law-abiding firearm retailers and gun-owners…not criminals,” said Chris W. Cox, NRA chief lobbyist. “At a time when California is facing dire budget problems, California has squandered valuable resources in policing law-abiding Californians instead of investing in substantive measures that target criminals. More than two decades ago, Congress abolished similar requirements to U.S. federal law because ammunition sales records were found to be ineffective for solving crimes. It is indeed regrettable that foolish minds and bogus arguments prevailed over common sense and empirical evidence.”

Governor Schwarzenegger vetoed Senate Bill 585, a bill that would have prohibited the sale of firearms and ammunition on the property or inside the buildings that comprise the Cow Palace in Daly City, just outside of San Francisco. He also signed Senate Bill 175, which will exempt gunsmiths from a vague California law. This exemption will now allow for the exchange of a firearm to or from a gunsmith for purposes of service or repair.

“Governor Schwarzenegger acted in the interest of good public policy with his actions to SB 585 and SB 175. But, in signing AB 962, he has paved the way for one of the most intrusive and ineffective gun control laws that California has seen in recent years,” said Cox.

The National Rifle Association will review all possible options to remove this draconian, requirement from California statute, and will assess legislative and legal remedies to do so.

[raoul duke]

Who was the the most famous person in history to implement "Forced Registration" of guns upon a Country?

Who was that person, that then used that information to confiscate those firearms from civilians. Under the guise of anti-terrorism?
Welcome to You Lose the Argument (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reductio_ad_Hitlerum)™ and way to get there in record time.

Who just this year sat down with other Global Leaders to discuss world wide gun control laws?
Hitler?

Who now wants all guns registered?
Hitler, I presume.

Don't use the word "never" or the phrase "Couldn't Happen" -

Remember "never" is a dirty word and "Anything is possible" is a Political/Governmental slogan in America!:rolleyes:
HAH HAH HAH HAH!!!

Never have I thought that someone could make such a retarded and illogical post on a message board. Seriously, every fiber of my being said it couldn't happen. But I guess anything is possible on SpeakUpWNY.

In case you are wondering, I'm laughing at you and, after reading your post, seriously questioning your overall intelligence. (Hitler would have done the same, I suppose.)

[4248]

You just twisted everything I wrote - thats OK - I realize your looking for useless debate. End of my involvement with.
:p




Never have I thought that someone could make such a retarded and illogical response to a post.
In case you are wondering, I'm laughing at you and, after reading your post, seriously questioning your overall intelligence. (Hitler would have done the same, I suppose.)

[raoul duke]

You just twisted everything I wrote - thats OK - I realize your looking for useless debate. End of my involvement with.
:p
Oh so you didn't mean Hitler? To whom, may I ask, were you referring?

And you are correct. I'm not looking for any debate with you whatsoever. When you lead with the Hitler stuff you might as well hang a sign on yourself that says "Too Stupid To Make Rational Historical Comparisons."

Debate you? No. For that you'd have to offer something worthy of an intelligent discussion. Mock you? Wholeheartedly. Did you miss the part where I said I was having a laugh at your expense?

But whatevs, keep telling yourself that Obomber is somehow like Hitler. Call us when he starts the genocide. OK?

[Save Us]

Don't use the word "never" or the phrase "Couldn't Happen" -

Remember "never" is a dirty word and "Anything is possible" is a Political/Governmental slogan in America!:rolleyes:



The words above are very true. Although I am generally loathe to agree with anything Duke has to say, I have to agree with him on this point.

Registering guns for the possiblity of forced confiscation wether lawfully interpreted by the constitution or not, is unlikely.

I just don't see it. It is so ingrained with our culture,, remember there are more fiesty gun owners than government/police combined.

Personally, I believe what separates someone from using a gun for any purpose and those that would not is just a matter of degree.

I am sure that even Roual would pick up a piece for defense if needed rather than be lined up and put on a boxcar.... then again there are those that would capitulate rather quickly.

Depends on how trusting you are of the other entity. I'm not.

did not want to wait to post until I had more than 2 hours of sleep.

[WNYresident]

Last night I watched some three stooges DVD's. At the begining of one of the movies they had a "suport the NRA" with their logo before the movie started.

[4248]

[quote=raoul duke;569381]Oh so you didn't mean Hitler? To whom, may I ask, were you referring?
You brought in Hitler - not me? I posted questions in response to people like you who claim there is no actions being taken to restrict or remove our right to own firearms and ammo. Its being done in many Countries and restrictions are ever growing in many states.
Whether its in the form of taxes on components or higher fees - its being stepped on.

To paraphrase you, "Raoul Duke, you lead off with the Hitler stuff, you might as well hang a sign on yourself that says:

"Too Stupid To Make Rational Historical Comparisons."
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[CallodineKid]

Governor Schwarzenegger/California Lawmakers Squander Limited Financial Resources on Firearm Owner Registration Scheme


Tuesday, October 13, 2009


Fairfax, Va. - Governor Schwarzenegger has signed a severe yet impotent gun control measure into law. Assembly Bill 962, taking effect on February 1, 2011, mandates individuals purchasing ammunition to be fingerprinted and registered at the time of sale and outlaws mail order ammunition purchases.

AB 962 also requires dealers to maintain these records indefinitely and make them available for inspection by the California Department of Justice. As an additional burden, ammunition retailers are also required to store ammunition away from purchasers. AB 962 also failed to garner support from Attorney General Brown, and any law enforcement organization. In fact, 15 sheriffs wrote letters of opposition to this legislation.

“This law presents intrusive and unnecessary burdens that will only affect law-abiding firearm retailers and gun-owners…not criminals,” said Chris W. Cox, NRA chief lobbyist. “At a time when California is facing dire budget problems, California has squandered valuable resources in policing law-abiding Californians instead of investing in substantive measures that target criminals. More than two decades ago, Congress abolished similar requirements to U.S. federal law because ammunition sales records were found to be ineffective for solving crimes. It is indeed regrettable that foolish minds and bogus arguments prevailed over common sense and empirical evidence.”

Governor Schwarzenegger vetoed Senate Bill 585, a bill that would have prohibited the sale of firearms and ammunition on the property or inside the buildings that comprise the Cow Palace in Daly City, just outside of San Francisco. He also signed Senate Bill 175, which will exempt gunsmiths from a vague California law. This exemption will now allow for the exchange of a firearm to or from a gunsmith for purposes of service or repair.

“Governor Schwarzenegger acted in the interest of good public policy with his actions to SB 585 and SB 175. But, in signing AB 962, he has paved the way for one of the most intrusive and ineffective gun control laws that California has seen in recent years,” said Cox.

The National Rifle Association will review all possible options to remove this draconian, requirement from California statute, and will assess legislative and legal remedies to do so.

That was a BS bill to pass! I don't get it. Why? What difference will this new law make? Dumb. And to think, I voted for this guy. :rolleyes: