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Eat My Gun

September 3rd, 2009, 11:03 PM

"I don't worry about those who would oppose us, for we already have their children." -Adolf Hitler

President Obama will address the nation's school children in a speech on September 8, 2009. Students have listened to presidential speeches before so I'm not going to raise issue with that, but I personally find it disturbing that a captive audience of children would be forced to listen to the partisan rantings of any president.

What should be cause for concern for everyone, however, is the "Menu of Classroom Activities" the Department of Education is recommending to each of the schools that have students viewing the speech. Leading questions like, "Why is it important to listen to the president and other elected officials?" and "How will the President inspire us?" are nothing short of partisan. They also preclude any contrary point-of-view. What if the president doesn't inspire? Why is listening to our elected officials more important than questing their motives and the actions they inspire?

Equally troubling are the recommended activities the DOE suggests. "Posting in large print around the classroom notable quotes excerpted from President Obama's speech" is one of them. It's appalling that a supposedly neutral, taxpayer funded government agency would encourage the display of what is essentially pro-Obama propaganda.

No matter what one's politics, the politicization of the Department of Education is dangerous for everyone.

Surfing USA

September 3rd, 2009, 11:14 PM

"I don't worry about those who would oppose us, for we already have their children." -Adolf Hitler

That pretty much says it all. :rolleyes: :mad:

http://www.moos.ws/Portals/0/obama/ObamaHitler.jpg

Eat My Gun

September 3rd, 2009, 11:19 PM

Thats the best poster I've seen...

Brandon

September 3rd, 2009, 11:58 PM

Thats the best poster I've seen...

You're the most biased person I've seen.

Eat My Gun

September 4th, 2009, 12:07 AM

When you develop a thought of your own and can be something more than a good little mindless german, post something in the form of an articulate rebuttal the dangers of the politicization of the DOE...if you can.

Dumbfounded

September 4th, 2009, 01:54 AM

Cgoodsp466

September 4th, 2009, 08:16 AM

You're the most biased person I've seen.

No he is not,Obama is a Nazi. I knew that going in those people cant run a Gubment.

Cgoodsp466

September 4th, 2009, 08:19 AM

Here they are at Niagara Wheatfield getting ready and enjoying Barracks speech.

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TheSkepticGuy

September 4th, 2009, 08:58 AM

The only thing I dislike more than politicians, is mindless knee-jerk political hate-mongering between the so-called "sides" of liberal and conservative.

Contemporary conservatives have long ago stopped being the stewards of the republic they once were.

Contemporary liberals are shallow spineless shadows of the champions of the every-man they once espoused to be.

Thanks to sound-bite lies from pundits on both "sides," the public is ensnared in an evil game of "blame the other side" for anything and everything, as they are now little more than knee-jerk automatons wagging heads in disapproval of the other side, without really knowing why.

This country will mire in the muck of our rhetoric and slip away unless there is an end to the madness... which seems a very remote possibility.

Eat My Gun

September 4th, 2009, 09:03 AM

TheSkepticGuy

September 4th, 2009, 09:10 AM

Some of the other questions in the DOE's menu of classroom activities (What can we do to help the schools?)are nothing more than pandering to the teachers union.

A question of, "What can we do to help the schools," is pandering to the union? How is that?

Since when did the mindless knee-jerk automaton responses get so bad as to be against the discussion of improving education?

geo_wny

September 4th, 2009, 09:31 AM

What's funny is that I have teacher friends in Buffalo, Lancaster, Depew, Perry, Silver Creek, Lakeshore, Gowanda, Randolph CSD and no one has heard about it or been encouraged to listen or put up posters about the speech....

So much for being forced as you like to call it.

Dougles

September 4th, 2009, 10:10 AM

A question of, "What can we do to help the schools," is pandering to the union? How is that?

Since when did the mindless knee-jerk automaton responses get so bad as to be against the discussion of improving education?

No i think it was the question of how can i help President Obama that was the issue!

Cgoodsp466

September 4th, 2009, 10:19 AM

A question of, "What can we do to help the schools," is pandering to the union? How is that?

Since when did the mindless knee-jerk automaton responses get so bad as to be against the discussion of improving education?

You want to help then have the schools get there hands out of my pocket. This speech to the youth is not helping. I guess I am one of those guys on the otherside.

Cgoodsp466

September 4th, 2009, 10:20 AM

TheSkepticGuy

September 4th, 2009, 10:42 AM

No i think it was the question of how can i help President Obama that was the issue!
That's not to be found in the lesson plan...
http://www.ed.gov/teachers/how/lessons/prek-6.pdf

Regardless... can you further expand on why such a question -- speculation on how to help the sitting president -- might be a partisan indoctrination ploy?

And further, if parents are involved in their child's education -- as they should be -- why is this not an opportunity to help inject critical thinking toward the political system?

I can imagine the same parents who will hold their kids back allow them to watch the far-worse indoctrinating dreck on TV targeted toward kids.

TheSkepticGuy

September 4th, 2009, 10:43 AM

You want to help then have the schools get there hands out of my pocket.

I don't understand.

Isn't it our responsibility to see to the education of our youth so as to ensure the future well-being of society?

Paying for that education is part of the formula.

Cgoodsp466

September 4th, 2009, 10:47 AM

geo_wny

September 4th, 2009, 11:01 AM

Das Hitler youth as I like to call em

ya das ist sehr gut!

WNYresident

September 4th, 2009, 11:08 AM

I don't understand.

Isn't it our responsibility to see to the education of our youth so as to ensure the future well-being of society?

Paying for that education is part of the formula.

To a point your correct. But then again you can't strap the current "payees" with something that is detrimental to their own lively hood. No where does the constitution or bill of rights etc state that every job provided for by the government should be over paid and underworked in some cases. NOT all but a lot.

Dougles

September 4th, 2009, 11:09 AM

That's not to be found in the lesson plan...
http://www.ed.gov/teachers/how/lessons/prek-6.pdf

Regardless... can you further expand on why such a question -- speculation on how to help the sitting president -- might be a partisan indoctrination ploy?

And further, if parents are involved in their child's education -- as they should be -- why is this not an opportunity to help inject critical thinking toward the political system?

I can imagine the same parents who will hold their kids back allow them to watch the far-worse indoctrinating dreck on TV targeted toward kids.

NO it actually WAS, but do to a lot of flack they changed it, but ignorance on your part is bliss huh?

TheSkepticGuy

September 4th, 2009, 11:12 AM

NO it actually WAS, but do to a lot of flack they changed it, but ignorance on your part is bliss huh?

Do you have a link to the original?

In any event, your tonality was implying the question was part of the current lesson plan.

Dumbfounded

September 4th, 2009, 11:16 AM

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First, Lawrence Ingram can't be that stupid:

George H.W. Bush addressed kids in their classrooms via video.
So did
St. Ronald Of Reagan addressed children in their classrooms.

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Kid's listening to the speech is not the issue. The real issue is the Department of Education framing the context of the speech in a partisan manner and in doing so, excluding any opposing points of view.

Some of the other questions in the DOE's menu of classroom activities (What can we do to help the schools?)are nothing more than pandering to the teachers union.

It's just wrong for a supposedly neutral government agency to do that kind of thing.

The government is not, repeat NOT trying to LIMIT kid's points of view in any way.
And this isn't a "partisan" issue.
They're KIDS and they could care LESS about party lines!

Only the sociopathic media could turn something harmless into
"something hitler."

And as far as hearing both sides of the issue?
Dont' worry. As these kids age they'll hear PLENTY of RIGHT WING EXTREMIST MEDIA
in fact-
91% NINETY-ONE PERCENT OF THE MEDIA IS RIGHT WING/CONSERVATIVE
so its a safe bet that the children President Obama's adressing today will sooner or later be brainwashed by Fox and friends if not their imbecile parents and relative who ALSO watch Fox and eat up other conservative media sources like trusting fools.

Well, just to be honest, I heard that there will be EVIL SUBLIMINAL MESSAGES in President Obama's address instructing the children to OBEY everything their government tells them to do
including turning in Mommy, Daddy and any one else who speaks bad things about the government because allah and hitler would want it that way or something like that.

I'm sure Glenn Beck will give the President's classroom address objective;Fair and balanced coverage, even though Glenn Beck's not too balanced mentally.

"You vill do vhat your President says, children or ve vill break into your homes und beat your parents! Swear loyalty to I, Barak Hussein Obama, your President and holy leader!!"

Surfing USA

September 4th, 2009, 11:19 AM

Do you have a link to the original?

In any event, your tonality was implying the question was part of the current lesson plan.A suggested lesson plan that calls on students to write letters to themselves about what they can do to help President Obama following his address to students nationwide is troubling and establishes the president as a "superintendent in chief," education experts told FOXNews.com.

Entire article: http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2009/09/02/critics-decry-obamas-lesson-plan-students/

Dougles

September 4th, 2009, 11:20 AM

91% NINETY-ONE PERCENT OF THE MEDIA IS RIGHT WING/CONSERVATIVE

Where did you make this number up from? I count 1 out of the 8 major news stations that's right leaning!

Dougles

September 4th, 2009, 11:22 AM

Do you have a link to the original?

In any event, your tonality was implying the question was part of the current lesson plan.

my original quote what:

No i think it was the question of how can i help President Obama that was the issue!

Maybe next time i should bold the word WAS, it's in their twice, notice i didn't use IS.

Eat My Gun

September 4th, 2009, 11:29 AM

[QUOTE=TheSkepticGuy;540082]A question of, "What can we do to help the schools," is pandering to the union? How is that?

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I always thought the role of the school was to help the students, not vice versa.

I wonder what kind of discussion the teacher is going to have with her students about how to improve education? Think she'll mention vouchers, competition, or charter schools, all of which have proven successful in comparison to government monopoly schooling? Or do you think the dialogue will turn to voting yes for school budgets....?

If you can't see that, you are blind.

Truthdetector

September 4th, 2009, 11:38 AM

You're the most biased person I've seen.

Let us know what your teacher has to say about Obama's speech...... remember to keep your hitler youth shirt clean and pressed!

TheSkepticGuy

September 4th, 2009, 12:34 PM

A suggested lesson plan that calls on students to write letters to themselves about what they can do to help President Obama following his address to students nationwide is troubling and establishes the president as a "superintendent in chief," education experts told FOXNews.com.

Entire article: http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2009/09/02/critics-decry-obamas-lesson-plan-students/

You're referring to an editorialized Op-Ed from a news source invested in promoting one "side" of the knee-jerk hate-mongering automaton cultural environment.

The linked "letter" to educators includes no such "how can I help the president" verbiage.

Are you simply accepting the spoon-fed mental pabulum concocted by the "news as entertainment" media, or looking at issues on your own?

TheSkepticGuy

September 4th, 2009, 12:39 PM

I always thought the role of the school was to help the students, not vice versa.
It "should be" but often isn't.

Think she'll mention vouchers, competition, or charter schools, all of which have proven successful in comparison to government monopoly schooling?
You're extending unfounded suppositions that are well beyond the stated intent and provided lesson plans. The conditioned knee-jerk.

As parents (of which I am) it's our responsibility to be involved in what our children do in school, and help guide them toward embracing knowledge. If you believe the message is one of partisan indoctrination then that is valuable knowledge to be embraced and imparted -- which includes listening to and understanding the speech. If you, as a parent, have other more complex views of the government and the president's role, that too is vital knowledge that should be shared and added to the learning process so as to build vital critical thinking.

Dougles

September 4th, 2009, 12:41 PM

You're referring to an editorialized Op-Ed from a news source invested in promoting one "side" of the knee-jerk hate-mongering automaton cultural environment.

The linked "letter" to educators includes no such "how can I help the president" verbiage.

Are you simply accepting the spoon-fed mental pabulum concocted by the "news as entertainment" media, or looking at issues on your own?

Fox wasn't the only ones to have stories about the letters "on how you will help the president", CNN, NBC and MSNBC had it too.

Surfing USA

September 4th, 2009, 12:59 PM

The linked "letter" to educators includes no such "how can I help the president" verbiage.That's because the letter was changed after multiple complaints. ;)

cheekman

September 4th, 2009, 04:22 PM

Obama's back-to-school 'Socialist' agenda, i call it 'forced Socialism.'
Obama has turned to american's children to spread his liberal lies.

Cgoodsp466

September 4th, 2009, 04:34 PM

You're referring to an editorialized Op-Ed from a news source invested in promoting one "side" of the knee-jerk hate-mongering automaton cultural environment.

The linked "letter" to educators includes no such "how can I help the president" verbiage.

Are you simply accepting the spoon-fed mental pabulum concocted by the "news as entertainment" media, or looking at issues on your own?

We are the resistance,you be the enemy. 2012 elections you and the rest of the Nazis go down big time. Now you sound like a good little bundist how is that change thing working out for you? I aint a big fan but what the heck I voted for the the other guy.

Dumbfounded

September 4th, 2009, 06:20 PM

Obama's back-to-school 'Socialist' agenda, i call it 'forced Socialism.'
Obama has turned to american's children to spread his liberal lies.

Are you serious? I've thought that your views for the most part have been VERY "fair and balanced."

WHAT in hell would Obama have to gain from "brainwashing" our children?
Nothing.

He's no "savior" and he's no "hitler" and those pigs in the media who've continued this BS "nazi socialist brainwashing" mantra should find something better to talk about, like real news stories not propaganda.

Let George explain how and why propaganda works so that parents worry about their kids being brainwashed.

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And he (Bush) stated this write in front of us and most of us did not bat an eye.
Obama's NOT the "real thing" but he's NOTHING like that baby imbecile nazi moron Bush or his master, Emperor Cheney

cheekman

September 4th, 2009, 10:50 PM

Jazz

September 4th, 2009, 11:26 PM

My issue is not that he is speaking to children. I take issue with the proposed lesson plan that went along with the speech. That lesson plan has since changed.

http://www.cnn.com/2009/POLITICS/09/04/obama.schools/index.html

Some of the controversy surrounding Obama's speech stems from a proposed lesson plan created by the Education Department to accompany the address. An initial version of the plan recommended that students draft letters to themselves discussing "what they can do to help the president."

The letters "would be collected and redistributed at an appropriate later date by the teacher to make students accountable to their goals," the plan stated.

I took issue with children being forced to participate in the above lesson plan as did many others. If the speech was just about doing well in school, saying no to drugs, etc ... I have no issue with it.

Dumbfounded

September 5th, 2009, 12:08 AM

DF, im just saying so far i do not like obamas views on to many things. I guess i should of said lets see what he has to say to the kids. But from what i read and mostly off the news wires which are one sided or left. In fact today the chicago tribune ran the story on the front page this morning. more and more controversey every day over this speach and thats not good coming from the liberal media. When it comes to young kids and politics the public don't like politicians sticking there nose into schools.

As for bush and tricky dick supporter i disliked them both! Come on you have your views on this guy but i think his timing is wrong on this one. It could be another hole into his sinking ship if he pushs politices or his liberial views on kids. Our colleges prof. do a good job on that and believe me i had enough of that!

http://www.swamppolitics.com/news/politics/blog/2009/09/obamas_backtoschool_lesson_pla.html

I've heard a lot of liberal commentators starting to say things like "Obama has abandoned us" and "we elected him for __________ (state reason such as universal healthcare)" and these talk show hosts are speaking for EVERYONE.

What gets me nuts is that EVERYONE KNOWS that if the media had made ANY kind of insulting, degrading;Inflammatory accusations at Bush II,
there would have been hell to pay but the problem is the media were EXTRA GENTLE with Bush II, a sociopathic puppet.

I know Obama is not "savior" and has grossly misrepresented himself but the obscene amount of airtime spent on foolish topics such as Obama's citizenship or if he's a muslim or socialist take away valuable time during which the public could be EDUCATED on universal health care and other IMPORTANT issues affecting the lives of their loved ones and selves.

If Obama really gets out of line, then let the media use SOME REAL FACTS criticizing him instead of the constant retarded speculation and half-assed attempts piecing together useless and FICTIONAL information.

So when I hear that many parents will not let their children in school to hear Obama's speech because they're listening to our sellout media, I'm furious.

It was OK for Saints Reagan & Bush I to speak to our kids but not Obama?

If McStain and APPaling were elected the media would be kissing the very ground they walked upon even as they gave America its death blows putting this country out of its misery.

For a mainstream corporate set of no-talent over-paid propagandists who said nothing but "patriotic" dribble and 9/11 millions of times
some of the things these fools in the media say DO border
on treason.

Any parent keeping their "precious ADHD" child out of school because some filthy talking head told them to (in so many words) is themselves a total fool and loser.

Surfing USA

September 5th, 2009, 12:11 AM

I've heard a lot of liberal commentators starting to say things like "Obama has abandoned us" and "we elected him for because he's black (state reason such as universal healthcare)":D :p :D

Dumbfounded

September 5th, 2009, 12:19 AM

:D :p :D

Now, child, that ain't gonna solve no problems. What we needs heah is some good ol' fashioned Chlistian charitah towards de President, do you understands, child? No, I ain'ts sayin' that de President plans on foolin' all them childrens inta believing foolish talk but theys Momma's an' Poppa's gots to watch what dat crazy man, Barak done say to dese kids while they be in school, learnin an' such an' I'd sho 'preciate if you be keepin' yo racialist talk to yoself, you heah me now, child?

Dumbfounded

September 5th, 2009, 12:31 AM

Conservative media take a strong stand against ... learning?!?
September 03, 2009

If there is anybody out there who still doesn't believe that the conservative media will attack President Obama no matter what he does, consider this: Right-wingers are telling children to skip school as a protest against Obama's encouragement of students to stay in school.

I know, I know. You think I'm kidding. Or exaggerating. That I'm caricaturing the conservatives' position in order to make them look ridiculous.

Wrong. They defy caricature. There's nothing you can imagine that is too crazy for these people to say. They'll claim Barack Obama was secretly born in Kenya (his birth announcements in Hawaiian newspapers were just one part of an elaborate, decades-long conspiracy involving Kenyans, the media, Hawaii's Republican governor, and the Stonecutters). They'll say he has a diabolical plan to create government "death panels" to kill off the old and the young. They'll claim he is building a secret private army (consisting of -- I swear I am not making this up -- AmeriCorps and Peace Corps volunteers) that is "just as strong" as the U.S. military so that he can "seize power" and create a "thugocracy."

And when President Obama delivers the least-controversial message you could possibly imagine -- "Stay in school" -- they call it "indoctrination" and an attempt to "get 'em while they're young," warning, "They are capturing your kids" and "your republic is under attack."

In a recent interview with student reporter, Damon Weaver, President Obama announced that on September 8 -- the first day of school for many children across America -- he will deliver a national address directly to students on the importance of education. The President will challenge students to work hard, set educational goals, and take responsibility for their learning. He will also call for a shared responsibility and commitment on the part of students, parents and educators to ensure that every child in every school receives the best education possible so they can compete in the global economy for good jobs and live rewarding and productive lives as American citizens.

So Glenn Beck and his fellow tinfoil hat-wearers sprang into action. Beck went off on his "indoctrination" rant, warning of secret private armies (no, he isn't worried about Blackwater -- it's the thought of English majors signing up to help teach people how to read that keeps him up at night).

NewsBusters' Mark Finkelstein alerted his followers to the striking similarity between President Obama's plan to encourage students to work hard and Chairman Mao's leadership of China. Because, you know, one day you're urging kids to get good grades, and the next you're ordering mass executions. Duh.

(Incidentally, while I know of no evidence Chairman Mao spoke to China's schoolchildren via television, we know then-President George H. W. Bush did so in 1991. Somehow, Poppy Bush's pep talk didn't result in the rise of a Hitler Youth-style paramilitary organization.)

Radio host Tammy Bruce asked "TownHall Patriots" to help organize "PASS Day Picnics" -- that's "Parentally Approved Skip School Day," for the uninitiated. In a blog post under a close-up photo her hand holding a gun, Bruce added that "Urkel" -- that's her pet name for Obama; get it? -- is going to "make[] a grab for your kids" and that he is "setting us on fire."

Newsmax writer Pam Geller agreed that the last place kids should be next Tuesday is school, urging parents to keep their kids home lest they be "brainwash[ed]" by the "fascist in chief."

Eat My Gun

September 5th, 2009, 12:36 AM

So when I hear that many parents will not let their children in school to hear Obama's speech because they're listening to our sellout media, I'm furious.

It was OK for Saints Reagan & Bush I to speak to our kids but not Obama?

It's not about the speech. It's about the politicization of the Department of Education. The issuance of a lesson plan to go along with a president's speech is unprecedented.

Effigy

September 5th, 2009, 01:18 AM

WHAT in hell would Obama have to gain from "brainwashing" our children?
Nothing.
Wanna bet? It's been going on for a long time.

We now have the legacy of very stupid children expecting all of their problems to be solved by "a higher power".
Guess who that is?

FMD

September 5th, 2009, 06:54 AM

Isnt that the truth...

I didnt learn about history, until AFTER I got out of HS.

Civil war? Schools teach that as a war about slaves. While slavery was a big part of the civil war, it was not the reason FOR the civil war. contrary to what PUBLIC schools teach.

Our school kids, 5yrs old to 18 are seriously, brain dead morons. I say that with sincerety. They have no clue as to what is happening in our country, and wholeheartedly believe that what the govt does, regardless of what it is 'its good for the people'

The mindset is that the Govt is here to support the people. to provide for the people, tio protect the people. The mindset is that the Govt is in charge. That we the people have no power, we are NOT the ones in charge and we should NEVER question the actions of the Govt.

THAT is the mindset of the AVERAGE High school student TODAY.

If you disagree with that, as a teenager, your labelled as an outcast a trouble maker, someone who is looking to spread hate, someone who is un american. You want anarchy.

It is what it is. Obama did not start this. He just took it a step further. The govt is using Obama as the fall guy to further their plan to erode what America stands for. In this instance however, they took a big step, and are now getting backlash for it, so now, they back up, adjust their plan and take a couple smaller steps forward. In the end however, their plan will succeed and go into full swing. Just as it has for the passed 50years.

the DOE is an unamerican branch of the Federal Govt in itself... Its a joke.

And Doug, Just because CNN, Fox, and MSNBC all report the SAME thing doesnt make it TRUE. Just makes it apear more believeable.

Damn man wake up. I expect more brains from you.

TheSkepticGuy

September 5th, 2009, 08:17 AM

TheSkepticGuy

September 5th, 2009, 08:20 AM

Obama's back-to-school 'Socialist' agenda, i call it 'forced Socialism.'
Ah... Mr. Beck, glad you could join us.

Can you elucidate on that statement to a degree somewhat beyond Tom Baurele's parroting of Beck's parroting?

I'm all for intensely harsh criticism of the baffoons in DC, but it needs to be grounded in reality, not politicized sensationalism.

TheSkepticGuy

September 5th, 2009, 08:29 AM

We are the resistance,you be the enemy. 2012 elections you and the rest of the Nazis go down big time. Now you sound like a good little bundist how is that change thing working out for you? I aint a big fan but what the heck I voted for the the other guy.

Hrm... there's that "Nazis" term again, tossed about by those who seem completely unaware of the actual history. (btw - you need to take more care as to your context when using "bundist," it can mean either Nazis sympathizer or Zionist)

If you're relying on elections as the cornerstone for your "resistance," then you're going to be so very disappointed. There is no change (http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread490790/pg1), other than the names on the nameplates of the doors of D.C.

run4it

September 5th, 2009, 08:33 AM

Cgoodsp466

September 5th, 2009, 09:03 AM

Cgoodsp466

September 5th, 2009, 09:06 AM

Hrm... there's that "Nazis" term again, tossed about by those who seem completely unaware of the actual history. (btw - you need to take more care as to your context when using "bundist," it can mean either Nazis sympathizer or Zionist)

If you're relying on elections as the cornerstone for your "resistance," then you're going to be so very disappointed. There is no change (http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread490790/pg1), other than the names on the nameplates of the doors of D.C.

Deard Herman,I could give a crap about the names on the door,they all suck but this clown has my suck o meter off the scale. My Definition of Bundist is Nazi sympathizer.

TheSkepticGuy

September 5th, 2009, 09:10 AM

Then I guess you will do one on how i can help the Reich?

You've demonstrated an inability for cogent dialogue. You're responses no longer attract my attention.

Cgoodsp466

September 5th, 2009, 09:21 AM

You've demonstrated an inability for cogent dialogue. You're responses no longer attract my attention.

Good I am doing my job one chump at a time.

cheekman

September 5th, 2009, 09:22 AM

Ah... Mr. Beck, glad you could join us.

Can you elucidate on that statement to a degree somewhat beyond Tom Baurele's parroting of Beck's parroting?

I'm all for intensely harsh criticism of the baffoons in DC, but it needs to be grounded in reality, not politicized sensationalism.

Hmmmm, you have your thoughts I have mine. I don't like the left you do. you don't like the right i do. i don't like big mouth baurele... i don't.. see we agree. beck over- board at times.

but wait ,wait, wait what is this a dug up.

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but all this crap is ok. have a nice day

TheSkepticGuy

September 5th, 2009, 09:39 AM

Hmmmm, you have your thoughts I have mine. I don't like the left you do. you don't like the right i do.
Hold on there Buba-Louie!

Just because I dislike one "side" is no indication that I like the other. In fact, I dislike all "sides" as have been defined and artificially segregated and set against each other by the newsertainment media.

Those picking and parroting a side are playing the game. While the populace is busy in heated spittle-spewing arguments over artificial nonsensical issues, those really in power (lobbyists and their corporate financiers) are sitting back and enjoying the show... comfortable in the fact that the irrelevant "voters" are so preoccupied with blaming the "other" side that no one really ever gets to the root of any meaningful issue.

Society has determined that we need "government" in order to solve problems or address issues that individuals and groups of individuals cannot solve on their own. For example... interstate highways. Reasonable solutions that result in a net-benefit for society are neither left or right, they're correct. Unfortunately, reasonable solutions no longer happen due to the intensified newsertainment-fueled gridlock of indignant hate of any idea or opinion suggested by the other "side."

Both sides (the two sides that matter most) are wrong. Picking a "side" other than that of what benefits society is wrong.

If we can't get past this nonsense, and soon, we owe our children a litany of apologies for their monstrous future.

I've been in Washington. I've walked the corridors of the Longworth, Rayburn, and Cannon office buildings. I met with representatives... and came away with the confirmation of all my fears... including one career lobbyist/staffer's haunting concerns (http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread490790/pg1) that we're in very deep trouble... with no clear way out.

Brandon

September 5th, 2009, 10:07 AM

My Definition of Bundist is Nazi sympathizer.

I think your definition of anyone who is not a conservative republican is that they are a nazi.

Fox News / Conservative Radio:
http://www.cartoonstock.com/newscartoons/cartoonists/dcl/lowres/dcln83l.jpg

(Note the spelling error which fits Cgoodsp posts)

Cgoodsp466

September 5th, 2009, 11:25 AM

Hold on there Buba-Louie!

Just because I dislike one "side" is no indication that I like the other. In fact, I dislike all "sides" as have been defined and artificially segregated and set against each other by the newsertainment media.

Those picking and parroting a side are playing the game. While the populace is busy in heated spittle-spewing arguments over artificial nonsensical issues, those really in power (lobbyists and their corporate financiers) are sitting back and enjoying the show... comfortable in the fact that the irrelevant "voters" are so preoccupied with blaming the "other" side that no one really ever gets to the root of any meaningful issue.

Society has determined that we need "government" in order to solve problems or address issues that individuals and groups of individuals cannot solve on their own. For example... interstate highways. Reasonable solutions that result in a net-benefit for society are neither left or right, they're correct. Unfortunately, reasonable solutions no longer happen due to the intensified newsertainment-fueled gridlock of indignant hate of any idea or opinion suggested by the other "side."

Both sides (the two sides that matter most) are wrong. Picking a "side" other than that of what benefits society is wrong.

If we can't get past this nonsense, and soon, we owe our children a litany of apologies for their monstrous future.

I've been in Washington. I've walked the corridors of the Longworth, Rayburn, and Cannon office buildings. I met with representatives... and came away with the confirmation of all my fears... including one career lobbyist/staffer's haunting concerns (http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread490790/pg1) that we're in very deep trouble... with no clear way out.

Your right about the apology.Your side should start saying they are sorry right now. You see I grew up in a free America I was tuaght at an early age to make things happen not wait around for someone to do it for me.

Cgoodsp466

September 5th, 2009, 11:26 AM

I think your definition of anyone who is not a conservative republican is that they are a nazi.

Fox News / Conservative Radio:
http://www.cartoonstock.com/newscartoons/cartoonists/dcl/lowres/dcln83l.jpg

(Note the spelling error which fits Cgoodsp posts)

You are such a girl,did I spell that wrong Mary?

cheekman

September 5th, 2009, 11:37 AM

If we can't get past this nonsense, and soon, we owe our children a litany of apologies for their monstrous future.

Ahh,,,,,, nice...... get past the nonsense i like that, but i don't think that will ever happen. you have divide in this country left right and race that will never go away. I see you are new on the boards please don't call me names im no glenn beck or TB (he is an ass). i have a name and when i answer people im very courteous in answering back always i use their name.(except for a few) As you can see on my reply to dumbfounded no name calling. you can debate me on the ideology of obama or the left no problem, and when i post a thread im just looking for other peoples opinions to see what they think. maybe a dog but im not a dumb one i have been around for almost three years now. errrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrffffff.

TheSkepticGuy

September 5th, 2009, 11:54 AM

I see you are new on the boards please don't call me names im no glenn beck or TB (he is an ass).
Not as new as you might think (http://www.speakupwny.com/forums/showthread.php?t=16326), just recently active again.

I'm sorry if you took my comment about parroting as calling you one of "them," that's not the case... the intent was to indicate that your post appeared to be repeating typical talking points without any indication as to whether or not you have an opinion of your own.

pointblank

September 5th, 2009, 06:04 PM

Brainwash children? Hmmm... got some pretty sharp parents out there who were able to detect that. They deserve a Purple Heart, Gold Medal, all of that for implying that President Obama is out to do WHAT POPULAR MUSIC, REALITY SHOWS, CONFRONTATIONAL TALK SHOWS, AND HEAVY METAL BANDS HAVE DONE FOR YEARS! BRAINWASH YOUR ******* KIDS!

(whew, once agian I saved the world in under a minute)

Dumbfounded

September 5th, 2009, 06:25 PM

Me likes the new guy.

Me likes him too. Very well-thought out, articulate and informed posts. Already ticking a lot of "good citizens" off.!

Seriously....does anybody really think that the Pres is going to get up in front of a nation-full of 7 year olds and give a tax policy speech? Is there a 3rd grader out there that can really grasp the nuances of health care (hell, most of the 'adults' here refuse to even consider those)? I think he knows his audience better than that. You all REALLY have a problem with the President saying welcome back, work hard, have fun? Really? When I was in school I heard the same address by 2 Repubs and 1 Dem President...and didn't manage to get indoctrinated in anything. And most smart teachers design some sort of less plan around it anyway.

Lilliputians and Yahoos....with not a few philistines thrown in!

Wow do you people have too much time!

Plenty of time to watch Glenn Beck and the rest of the talk show hosts whose instructions are to make President Obama look as bad as possible how and when they can and since Glenn Beck is STILL employed, I guess that means its "OK" for some hosts to call President Obama a "racist" or "nazi" and most of these imbeciles have been and continue to call him a socialist.

I no longer have the faith I used to have in him (NEVER saw him as a "savior" figure) but give the man TIME to either do WELL or be a FAILURE and considering how much opposition Obama's received from GOP whose job is to AID him in SENSIBLE legislation, he's doing pretty good.

These over-paid talentless lunatics job is to repeat things until many Americans as possible scream AGAINST their best interests and to make the President look as bad as possible.

Crying and whining and hiding kids over something SIMPLE and HARMLESS when we have REAL issues to worry about. Such a waste of air time when more USEFUL & INFORMATIVE stuff could be covered by these soulless losers.

Parents AND kids should be ANTICIPATING their President addressing them (the chidren) not crying,

"de evil black man is gonna turn mah child inta a hitler yooth nazi muslim an' make him hate the Yoonited States of Merica! Can't have Jeb or Lulla Belle in school tamara! Glen Beck said that Obama's gonna have suliminal messages when he talks to them youngings tellin' the kids to "murder their parents while they sleep!"

Sure, I make plenty of borderline tasteless racisialist-type jokes but enough.
How far are we going to go on the "stupid meter" in this country?
Tune into Fox tonight and find out!

Cgoodsp466

September 5th, 2009, 07:49 PM

Plenty of time to watch Glenn Beck and the rest of the talk show hosts whose instructions are to make President Obama look as bad as possible how and when they can and since Glenn Beck is STILL employed, I guess that means its "OK" for some hosts to call President Obama a "racist" or "nazi" and most of these imbeciles have been and continue to call him a socialist.

I no longer have the faith I used to have in him (NEVER saw him as a "savior" figure) but give the man TIME to either do WELL or be a FAILURE and considering how much opposition Obama's received from GOP whose job is to AID him in SENSIBLE legislation, he's doing pretty good.

These over-paid talentless lunatics job is to repeat things until many Americans as possible scream AGAINST their best interests and to make the President look as bad as possible.

Crying and whining and hiding kids over something SIMPLE and HARMLESS when we have REAL issues to worry about. Such a waste of air time when more USEFUL & INFORMATIVE stuff could be covered by these soulless losers.

Parents AND kids should be ANTICIPATING their President addressing them (the chidren) not crying,

"de evil black man is gonna turn mah child inta a hitler yooth nazi muslim an' make him hate the Yoonited States of Merica! Can't have Jeb or Lulla Belle in school tamara! Glen Beck said that Obama's gonna have suliminal messages when he talks to them youngings tellin' the kids to "murder their parents while they sleep!"

Sure, I make plenty of borderline tasteless racisialist-type jokes but enough.
How far are we going to go on the "stupid meter" in this country?
Tune into Fox tonight and find out!

I voted for the white guy.

DomesticatedFeminist

September 5th, 2009, 08:51 PM

Omg get over it. He is giving a stay in school and work hard speech.

Most kids aren't going to pay attention to it anyway.

Dumbfounded

September 5th, 2009, 11:32 PM

I voted for the white guy.

You voted for the mummy. A guy who has openly shown his contempt for the "common man"
and
you voted for brain-dead bimbo who could not handle being a mayor let alone governer which she recently quite 18 months short of her term's end?

And you're "proud?"
Jesus, Csgood!

I didn't vote for Obama because I thought he was ANY kind of "savior" or
"wow, I should vote for the black guy" liberal garbage;That would be an insult unto myself.

I voted for Obama because at the TIME-AT THE TIME he seemed to be far more promising than the Mummy & the Mommy who were nothing but two disasters waiting to get into office and choke the last embers of life out of the United States.

So at THIS point (until Obama proves he's really good or really bad or just average)-At this point I have NO regrets voting for the schvartze (black guy) because at least he has brains.

But I've been wasting my words on Obama's school speech for one main reason I overlooked which DomesticatedFeminist (contradiction!) stated so clearly that I kicked and beat and slapped myself and-Anyways, the other
DF put it beautifully:

"DomesticatedFeminist Omg get over it. He is giving a stay in school and work hard speech.

Most kids aren't going to pay attention to it anyway."

Because as neat as kids getting all psyched up to work towards high scholastic goals, most of them just HATE BEING IN SCHOOL and the only
celebrities who'd they would really listen to would be

1-Professional atheletes
2-Video game characters
3-Rock-Pop stars like Hanna Montanna
and other nobodies.

The President (to most school kids) just ain't "cool."
At least I doubt a kid's jaw will drop as his/her eye's widen as Obama speaks.
Unless-
President Obama uses his evil nazi muslim subliminal vocalizations altering the children's brain functions as Obama adds to his zombie army that will take over the world converting all of us to islam and nazism (we get a choice, I heard).

But to be honest, we will not know what the TRUE effect of Obama's speech to schoolkids will be until we get the biting, cutting, brilliant analysis from----
Glen Beck, the personification of genius. The next stage of human evolution.
The "Prince Of Prozac," Glen Beck will let us know what DAMAGE Obama did to our children
because Glen loves his country. Just like he loves his booze.
And hamsters.

Cgoodsp466

September 6th, 2009, 08:46 AM

mesue

September 6th, 2009, 08:48 AM

Omg get over it. He is giving a stay in school and work hard speech.
...
I hope that's all it is.

TheSkepticGuy

September 6th, 2009, 09:24 AM

Plenty of time to watch Glenn Beck and the rest of the talk show hosts whose instructions are to make President Obama look as bad as possible...
The newsertainment blow-hards such as Beck and the larger organizations such as Fox News are certainly receiving talking-points from handlers (has been confirmed several times), but their ultimate motivation is eyeballs, ratings, and ad dollars. Sensational, exaggerated, and even fabricated subjects are what attract the knee-jerk automatons the American public has become. After years of dumbed-down conditioning, precious few have the mental tenacity to understand the complexities core societal issues, and hence latch onto simplistic thoughts -- "national healthcare is socialist, socialist is communist, communism is bad, Obama is evil."

I no longer have the faith I used to have in him (NEVER saw him as a "savior" figure) but give the man TIME to either do WELL or be a FAILURE and considering how much opposition Obama's received from GOP whose job is to AID him in SENSIBLE legislation, he's doing pretty good.
I've lost faith in our republic.

The lawmakers and executives in Washington are just nameplates on doors now. We the public are periodically distracted (http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread381248/pg1) by the ideological bickering of those vying for a nameplate, and between elections are feed a litany of faux-issues to keep our eyes off the shell with the pea.

At any given time during business hours, more than half the bodies inside the Congressional and Senate office buildings are lobbyists with cash falling out of their pockets. "We the people" stand no chance in competing for our representatives time or attention, all is controlled by the money doled out by the lobbyists. There is no "faith" to be had in anyone which is a part of this system.

Back to the topic of the thread...

Generally speaking, liberals complain loudly what conservatives do, and conservatives complain loudly what liberals might do. The neo-conservative movement has been built on the fear-mongering of well-crafted rumors of what might happen if the liberals get their way... which is the core strategy that brought this non-issue to the dominant topic of the day.

But even in this chaotic hate-mongering political environment, good ideas surface with a core of well-intended motivations. Nixon proved that even the most despicable politician can put forth meaningful initiatives. A speech from the nation's leader to school-age children is one such idea.

mesue

September 6th, 2009, 10:14 AM

Plenty of time to watch Glenn Beck and the rest of the talk show hosts whose instructions are to make President Obama look as bad as possible ...
He and Pelosi are doing fine all on their own. They need no other help. :)

Surfing USA

September 8th, 2009, 08:26 AM

Notice how many sentences start with the words "and" & "but." Way to teach the children Barrack. :rolleyes: :D

Also notice how he ends his speech with, "God bless you, and God bless America." :eek: That's going to piss-off several parents. ;)
Prepared Remarks of President Barack Obama
Back to School Event

Arlington, Virginia
September 8, 2009

The President: Hello everyone – how’s everybody doing today? I’m here with students at Wakefield High School in Arlington, Virginia. And we’ve got students tuning in from all across America, kindergarten through twelfth grade. I’m glad you all could join us today.

I know that for many of you, today is the first day of school. And for those of you in kindergarten, or starting middle or high school, it’s your first day in a new school, so it’s understandable if you’re a little nervous. I imagine there are some seniors out there who are feeling pretty good right now, with just one more year to go. And no matter what grade you’re in, some of you are probably wishing it were still summer, and you could’ve stayed in bed just a little longer this morning.

I know that feeling. When I was young, my family lived in Indonesia for a few years, and my mother didn’t have the money to send me where all the American kids went to school. So she decided to teach me extra lessons herself, Monday through Friday – at 4:30 in the morning.
Now I wasn’t too happy about getting up that early. A lot of times, I’d fall asleep right there at the kitchen table. But whenever I’d complain, my mother would just give me one of those looks and say, "This is no picnic for me either, buster."

So I know some of you are still adjusting to being back at school. But I’m here today because I have something important to discuss with you. I’m here because I want to talk with you about your education and what’s expected of all of you in this new school year.

Now I’ve given a lot of speeches about education. And I’ve talked a lot about responsibility.
I’ve talked about your teachers’ responsibility for inspiring you, and pushing you to learn.

I’ve talked about your parents’ responsibility for making sure you stay on track, and get your homework done, and don’t spend every waking hour in front of the TV or with that Xbox.

I’ve talked a lot about your government’s responsibility for setting high standards, supporting teachers and principals, and turning around schools that aren’t working where students aren’t getting the opportunities they deserve.

But at the end of the day, we can have the most dedicated teachers, the most supportive parents, and the best schools in the world – and none of it will matter unless all of you fulfill your responsibilities. Unless you show up to those schools; pay attention to those teachers; listen to your parents, grandparents and other adults; and put in the hard work it takes to succeed.
And that’s what I want to focus on today: the responsibility each of you has for your education. I want to start with the responsibility you have to yourself.

Every single one of you has something you’re good at. Every single one of you has something to offer. And you have a responsibility to yourself to discover what that is. That’s the opportunity an education can provide.
Maybe you could be a good writer – maybe even good enough to write a book or articles in a newspaper – but you might not know it until you write a paper for your English class. Maybe you could be an innovator or an inventor – maybe even good enough to come up with the next iPhone or a new medicine or vaccine – but you might not know it until you do a project for your science class. Maybe you could be a mayor or a Senator or a Supreme Court Justice, but you might not know that until you join student government or the debate team.

And no matter what you want to do with your life – I guarantee that you’ll need an education to do it. You want to be a doctor, or a teacher, or a police officer? You want to be a nurse or an architect, a lawyer or a member of our military? You’re going to need a good education for every single one of those careers. You can’t drop out of school and just drop into a good job. You’ve got to work for it and train for it and learn for it.

And this isn’t just important for your own life and your own future. What you make of your education will decide nothing less than the future of this country. What you’re learning in school today will determine whether we as a nation can meet our greatest challenges in the future.

You’ll need the knowledge and problem-solving skills you learn in science and math to cure diseases like cancer and AIDS, and to develop new energy technologies and protect our environment. You’ll need the insights and critical thinking skills you gain in history and social studies to fight poverty and homelessness, crime and discrimination, and make our nation more fair and more free. You’ll need the creativity and ingenuity you develop in all your classes to build new companies that will create new jobs and boost our economy.

We need every single one of you to develop your talents, skills and intellect so you can help solve our most difficult problems. If you don’t do that – if you quit on school – you’re not just quitting on yourself, you’re quitting on your country.
Now I know it’s not always easy to do well in school. I know a lot of you have challenges in your lives right now that can make it hard to focus on your schoolwork.

I get it. I know what that’s like. My father left my family when I was two years old, and I was raised by a single mother who struggled at times to pay the bills and wasn’t always able to give us things the other kids had. There were times when I missed having a father in my life. There were times when I was lonely and felt like I didn’t fit in.

So I wasn’t always as focused as I should have been. I did some things I’m not proud of, and got in more trouble than I should have. And my life could have easily taken a turn for the worse.

But I was fortunate. I got a lot of second chances and had the opportunity to go to college, and law school, and follow my dreams. My wife, our First Lady Michelle Obama, has a similar story. Neither of her parents had gone to college, and they didn’t have much. But they worked hard, and she worked hard, so that she could go to the best schools in this country.

Some of you might not have those advantages. Maybe you don’t have adults in your life who give you the support that you need. Maybe someone in your family has lost their job, and there’s not enough money to go around. Maybe you live in a neighborhood where you don’t feel safe, or have friends who are pressuring you to do things you know aren’t right.

But at the end of the day, the circumstances of your life – what you look like, where you come from, how much money you have, what you’ve got going on at home – that’s no excuse for neglecting your homework or having a bad attitude. That’s no excuse for talking back to your teacher, or cutting class, or dropping out of school. That’s no excuse for not trying.

Where you are right now doesn’t have to determine where you’ll end up. No one’s written your destiny for you. Here in America, you write your own destiny. You make your own future.

That’s what young people like you are doing every day, all across America.
Young people like Jazmin Perez, from Roma, Texas. Jazmin didn’t speak English when she first started school. Hardly anyone in her hometown went to college, and neither of her parents had gone either. But she worked hard, earned good grades, got a scholarship to Brown University, and is now in graduate school, studying public health, on her way to being Dr. Jazmin Perez.

I’m thinking about Andoni Schultz, from Los Altos, California, who’s fought brain cancer since he was three. He’s endured all sorts of treatments and surgeries, one of which affected his memory, so it took him much longer – hundreds of extra hours – to do his schoolwork. But he never fell behind, and he’s headed to college this fall.

And then there’s Shantell Steve, from my hometown of Chicago, Illinois. Even when bouncing from foster home to foster home in the toughest neighborhoods, she managed to get a job at a local health center; start a program to keep young people out of gangs; and she’s on track to graduate high school with honors and go on to college.

Jazmin, Andoni and Shantell aren’t any different from any of you. They faced challenges in their lives just like you do. But they refused to give up. They chose to take responsibility for their education and set goals for themselves. And I expect all of you to do the same.

That’s why today, I’m calling on each of you to set your own goals for your education – and to do everything you can to meet them. Your goal can be something as simple as doing all your homework, paying attention in class, or spending time each day reading a book. Maybe you’ll decide to get involved in an extracurricular activity, or volunteer in your community. Maybe you’ll decide to stand up for kids who are being teased or bullied because of who they are or how they look, because you believe, like I do, that all kids deserve a safe environment to study and learn. Maybe you’ll decide to take better care of yourself so you can be more ready to learn. And along those lines, I hope you’ll all wash your hands a lot, and stay home from school when you don’t feel well, so we can keep people from getting the flu this fall and winter.

Whatever you resolve to do, I want you to commit to it. I want you to really work at it.

I know that sometimes, you get the sense from TV that you can be rich and successful without any hard work -- that your ticket to success is through rapping or basketball or being a reality TV star, when chances are, you’re not going to be any of those things.

But the truth is, being successful is hard. You won’t love every subject you study. You won’t click with every teacher. Not every homework assignment will seem completely relevant to your life right this minute. And you won’t necessarily succeed at everything the first time you try.

That’s OK. Some of the most successful people in the world are the ones who’ve had the most failures. JK Rowling’s first Harry Potter book was rejected twelve times before it was finally published. Michael Jordan was cut from his high school basketball team, and he lost hundreds of games and missed thousands of shots during his career. But he once said, "I have failed over and over and over again in my life. And that is why I succeed."
These people succeeded because they understand that you can’t let your failures define you – you have to let them teach you. You have to let them show you what to do differently next time. If you get in trouble, that doesn’t mean you’re a troublemaker, it means you need to try harder to behave. If you get a bad grade, that doesn’t mean you’re stupid, it just means you need to spend more time studying.

No one’s born being good at things, you become good at things through hard work. You’re not a varsity athlete the first time you play a new sport. You don’t hit every note the first time you sing a song. You’ve got to practice. It’s the same with your schoolwork. You might have to do a math problem a few times before you get it right, or read something a few times before you understand it, or do a few drafts of a paper before it’s good enough to hand in.

Don’t be afraid to ask questions. Don’t be afraid to ask for help when you need it. I do that every day. Asking for help isn’t a sign of weakness, it’s a sign of strength. It shows you have the courage to admit when you don’t know something, and to learn something new. So find an adult you trust – a parent, grandparent or teacher; a coach or counselor – and ask them to help you stay on track to meet your goals.

And even when you’re struggling, even when you’re discouraged, and you feel like other people have given up on you – don’t ever give up on yourself. Because when you give up on yourself, you give up on your country.
The story of America isn’t about people who quit when things got tough. It’s about people who kept going, who tried harder, who loved their country too much to do anything less than their best.

It’s the story of students who sat where you sit 250 years ago, and went on to wage a revolution and found this nation. Students who sat where you sit 75 years ago who overcame a Depression and won a world war; who fought for civil rights and put a man on the moon. Students who sat where you sit 20 years ago who founded Google, Twitter and Facebook and changed the way we communicate with each other.

So today, I want to ask you, what’s your contribution going to be? What problems are you going to solve? What discoveries will you make? What will a president who comes here in twenty or fifty or one hundred years say about what all of you did for this country?

Your families, your teachers, and I are doing everything we can to make sure you have the education you need to answer these questions. I’m working hard to fix up your classrooms and get you the books, equipment and computers you need to learn. But you’ve got to do your part too. So I expect you to get serious this year. I expect you to put your best effort into everything you do. I expect great things from each of you. So don’t let us down – don’t let your family or your country or yourself down. Make us all proud. I know you can do it.

Thank you, God bless you, and God bless America.

http://www.whitehouse.gov/MediaResources/PreparedSchoolRemarks/

Surfing USA

September 8th, 2009, 08:29 AM

I wonder if he'll add his thoughts on abortion.

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CAugust

September 8th, 2009, 08:31 AM

Surfing USA

September 8th, 2009, 08:38 AM

there is no reason that they should not be showing this - I will be peeved if they do not show it. From what I understand one of the middle schools is making it available ... yeah that doesnt say much .... its a loophole, well we made it available but due to schedules we could not fit it in ........Do you honestly think the majority of kids will pay attention?

Be honest, when you were in grade school, did you care what the President had to say?

nickelcityhomes

September 8th, 2009, 08:45 AM

I spoke to the principal this morning to confirm they would NOT show this. I was going to keep the kids home otherwise.

Surfing USA

September 8th, 2009, 08:48 AM

Who does Ted Kennedy believe will be speaking to your children? :D

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Surfing USA

September 8th, 2009, 08:58 AM

http://www.southernappeal.org/wp-content/uploads/2008/04/punishment-obama.jpg

CAugust

September 8th, 2009, 09:03 AM

Do you honestly think the majority of kids will pay attention?

Be honest, when you were in grade school, did you care what the President had to say?

I think regardless if they care, he is still the President and they need to understand that they should listen.

My kids hate to get up and go to Religion class, but I still make them go.

I spoke to the principal this morning to confirm they would NOT show this. I was going to keep the kids home otherwise.

REALLY? I have friends that said just the opposite, if they were not showing it they would keep them home to watch it.

Personally I dont think Williamsville is going to show it, even though it is going to be made available - they dont like too much controversy ...

Surfing USA

September 8th, 2009, 09:07 AM

I think regardless if they care, he is still the President and they need to understand that they should listen.

My kids hate to get up and go to Religion class, but I still make them go....When they get home, ask your kids what he had to say.

I'd be surprised if they said much more than, "do good in school and stuff." ;) :D :p

Cgoodsp466

September 8th, 2009, 09:09 AM

there is no reason that they should not be showing this - I will be peeved if they do not show it. From what I understand one of the middle schools is making it available ... yeah that doesnt say much .... its a loophole, well we made it available but due to schedules we could not fit it in ........

Can you elaborate more on why any one would want to listen to him? He is not a roll model for anybody but future liberals.

Brandon

September 8th, 2009, 09:12 AM

Can you elaborate more on why any one would want to listen to him?

He is the current President of the United States.

I understand you know what's going on in France, but I guess you haven't caught up in current events of the United States.

Brandon

September 8th, 2009, 09:15 AM

Truthdetector

September 8th, 2009, 09:17 AM

This guy is on TV more than any other president.... websites, news, etc..... He realizes that he isn't getting where he wants, so lets go to the children.... Push his change message further along. As if the teachers aren't doing enough damage.

Truthdetector

September 8th, 2009, 09:20 AM

All the conservative republicans who don't like Obama speaking to the students - I question you this:

If a few minutes of Obama talking will undo years of brainwashing you've given your own children, either you've done a bad job, or Obama is a master magician.

And to all you brainwashed democratic liberals who have been poisened by your parents (mommy included), why is it sooo important that your president take a few minutes to address students? Publicity stunt......

Surfing USA

September 8th, 2009, 09:22 AM

All the conservative republicans who don't like Obama speaking to the students - I question you this:

If a few minutes of Obama talking will undo years of brainwashing you've given your own children, either you've done a bad job, or Obama is a master magician.The majority of teachers do a fine job brainwashing children. Just take a look in the mirror, Brandon. :p

BTW: Congratulations on refraining from bringing Bush into your "argument." :eek: :D :p

Truthdetector

September 8th, 2009, 09:24 AM

Did anyone listen to the presidents labor day speech to the auto unions? Sounded like a baptist revival meeting! I was waiting for him to start healing people...... still waiting to hear a final count on how many times he said the words "health care". Doesn't this guy have any other things he can be doing other than try to promote Bill & Hillary's failed agenda?

CAugust

September 8th, 2009, 09:24 AM

Can you elaborate more on why any one would want to listen to him? He is not a roll model for anybody but future liberals.

Because he is the President of the US.

IF the schools show it and I will be shocked if all of my kids get to see it, we can talk about it at home and what they thought of it and what they remembered ... and if they agree or disagree with what he has to say .

OK - here is the scoop in Williamsville - I just called someone I know from the elementary school - even though I dont have any there - apparently Howard Smith has left it up to each principal and at least at this particular school the principal has decided to let each teacher make the judgement call. They have been getting a lot of calls from parents saying they do not want their child to see it - all they need to do is write a letter or call. One man called and said that he didnt want his child to see it, she said OK, whats his name? He would NOT leave the name lol ... didnt want the child singled out ..... now theres making a statement!

there ... now you have it!!!!!

Surfing USA

September 8th, 2009, 09:26 AM

Truthdetector

September 8th, 2009, 09:26 AM

The majority of teachers do a fine job brainwashing children. Just take a look in the mirror, Brandon. :p

BTW: Congratulations on refraining from bringing Bush into your "argument." :eek: :D :p

The scary and funny part is that Brandon claims to once have been a conservative Republican! The only time I hear of this happening is when people fail in business, and then decide that it is better to take handouts than work for what they want.

Surfing USA

September 8th, 2009, 09:29 AM

Perhaps this is what he's up to today? :confused:

http://www.cristyli.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/07/ObamaCare-Nationalized-Medicine.jpg

Truthdetector

September 8th, 2009, 09:29 AM

How is the president going to give a speech that is going to be comprehended by elementary school students thru high school age students, and keep it entertaining enough to hold their attention? Guess if he can get congress to understand him he can get elementary kids too.

Cgoodsp466

September 8th, 2009, 09:35 AM

He is the current President of the United States.

I understand you know what's going on in France, but I guess you haven't caught up in current events of the United States.

Hey Brandon better get to school or you will miss the brainwashing session.

Truthdetector

September 8th, 2009, 09:36 AM

Hey Brandon better get to school or you will miss the brainwashing session.

He will be the one with the Black Power shirt on!

Cgoodsp466

September 8th, 2009, 09:39 AM

Because he is the President of the US.

IF the schools show it and I will be shocked if all of my kids get to see it, we can talk about it at home and what they thought of it and what they remembered ... and if they agree or disagree with what he has to say .

OK - here is the scoop in Williamsville - I just called someone I know from the elementary school - even though I dont have any there - apparently Howard Smith has left it up to each principal and at least at this particular school the principal has decided to let each teacher make the judgement call. They have been getting a lot of calls from parents saying they do not want their child to see it - all they need to do is write a letter or call. One man called and said that he didnt want his child to see it, she said OK, whats his name? He would NOT leave the name lol ... didnt want the child singled out ..... now theres making a statement!

there ... now you have it!!!!!

I bet some mom in Germany said somthing like this in 1939.Becuase he is the Chancellor of Germany.Hey the Little Liberals will single out the American kid becuase Daddy and Brandon dont want the free cheese express rocked.

CAugust

September 8th, 2009, 09:42 AM

I bet some mom in Germany said somthing like this in 1939.Becuase he is the Chancellor of Germany.Hey the Little Liberals will single out the American kid becuase Daddy and Brandon dont want the free cheese express rocked.

The difference is that IF any of my kids watch this, I will speak to them about it when they get home and discuss it and tell them if they disagreed with something he had to say then its ok. You dont have to agree with the President.

Cgoodsp466

September 8th, 2009, 09:47 AM

The difference is that IF any of my kids watch this, I will speak to them about it when they get home and discuss it and tell them if they disagreed with something he had to say then its ok. You dont have to agree with the President.

Thats not what you said,you said becuase he is the president,so to you he is God.I dont have to listen to anybody so you cant have it both ways.

Surfing USA

September 8th, 2009, 09:51 AM

The difference is that IF any of my kids watch this, I will speak to them about it when they get home and discuss it and tell them if they disagreed with something he had to say then its ok. You dont have to agree with the President.So, if all they get out of it is, "do good in school and stuff," and they disagree, it's okay? :eek:

After all, you said they "don't have to agree with the President." :p :D :p

CAugust

September 8th, 2009, 09:55 AM

So, if all they get out of it is, "do good in school and stuff," and they disagree, it's okay? :eek:

After all, you said they "don't have to agree with the President." :p :D :p

they can disagree all they want - however I would explain why it is important to do good in school and "stuff" as you said - if you want to not hand in homework then you fail the grade - if you fail the grade you go to summer school - i am not a transporting van for summer school - so you can ride your bike each morning and go to summer school - or stay back a year and be ridiculed by all your classmates ..... they are old enough to make that decisions on their own imho. every action has a reaction good or bad. If you do good in school you get rewarded with good grades and moved up to the next grade .... if you fail, you repeat. make sense?

CAugust

September 8th, 2009, 09:57 AM

Thats not what you said,you said becuase he is the president,so to you he is God.I dont have to listen to anybody so you cant have it both ways.

I said they should watch him or be able to because he is the president. I didnt say they have to agree with everything he said - or at least I dont think i said that ..... No president is God to me, nor anyone else. I am not endorsing Obama at all, if that is what you are getting out of this disussion.

Surfing USA

September 8th, 2009, 09:59 AM

they can disagree all they want - however I would explain why it is important to do good in school and "stuff" as you said - if you want to not hand in homework then you fail the grade - if you fail the grade you go to summer school - i am not a transporting van for summer school - so you can ride your bike each morning and go to summer school - or stay back a year and be ridiculed by all your classmates ..... they are old enough to make that decisions on their own imho. every action has a reaction good or bad. If you do good in school you get rewarded with good grades and moved up to the next grade .... if you fail, you repeat. make sense?I'm just razzing you, Colleen. :D :p

With the exception of your respect for a Marxist, you sound like a great Mom. :)

Truthdetector

September 8th, 2009, 10:00 AM

they can disagree all they want - however I would explain why it is important to do good in school and "stuff" as you said - if you want to not hand in homework then you fail the grade - if you fail the grade you go to summer school - i am not a transporting van for summer school - so you can ride your bike each morning and go to summer school - or stay back a year and be ridiculed by all your classmates ..... they are old enough to make that decisions on their own imho. every action has a reaction good or bad. If you do good in school you get rewarded with good grades and moved up to the next grade .... if you fail, you repeat. make sense?

If your kid, or anyone elses, doesn't already understand what you have said than do you really think that Obama can waive his magic wand and convert them?

OutsidetheBox

September 8th, 2009, 10:07 AM

CAugust

September 8th, 2009, 10:14 AM

I've never seen so many people get so worked up over something so small. Yeah, he's giving a pep speech to do well in school and work hard. There's no political propaganda buried in that speech. Bush and Reagan gave a speech to students as well.

ita with you - and this is my point exactly. Well worded and short and to the point .........

Surfing USA

September 8th, 2009, 10:15 AM

I've never seen so many people get so worked up over something so small. Yeah, he's giving a pep speech to do well in school and work hard. There's no political propaganda buried in that speech. Bush and Reagan gave a speech to students as well.There's nothing wrong with wording of the "updated" speech. However, who's to say he has no intention of adding "political propaganda" to the "prepared speech"?

Not to mention, why waste valuable time of both teachers and students?

Just because Reagan and Bush Sr did it, doesn't make it right.

therising

September 8th, 2009, 10:15 AM

I know that things have changed.

And, I know that, if I'm pushing my own kid on a swing at the playground, I do not push another kid on the swing, even if he or she asks.

But, have we gotten to the point, where its horrific for the President of the United States to address children?

Back in the 40's Mayor Firello Laguardia of NY, used to read the Sunday comics to kids on the radio. Was he a commie? A pinko? Was he brainwashing the kids?

Surfing USA

September 8th, 2009, 10:19 AM

But, have we gotten to the point, where its horrific for the President of the United States to address children?In the case of a President who so closely resembles Adolf Hitler, YES!!! :p

Even though we all realize they're phony, how do you feel about the closing words of his speech? :confused:

OutsidetheBox

September 8th, 2009, 10:22 AM

There's nothing wrong with wording of the "updated" speech. However, who's to say he has no intention of adding "political propaganda" to the "prepared speech"?

Not to mention, why waste valuable time of both teachers and students?

Just because Reagan and Bush Sr did it, doesn't make it right.

I've never seen the text for the "original" speech so I can't comment on that. And if he adds a single sentence or changes something to his speech, you and I both know every single conservative in the US will freak out. I'm sure Obama knows better than to change a thing. Besides, as everyone loves to point out, I'm sure he'll be reading from a teleprompter.

I'm sure the schools will be just fine with losing 20 minutes of time at the beginning of the year.

CAugust

September 8th, 2009, 10:23 AM

In the case of a President who so closely resembles Adolf Hitler, YES!!! :p

Even though we all realize they're phony, how do you feel about the closing words of his speech? :confused:

well I LIKE it - but I am sure a lot of people wont lol .....

Surfing USA

September 8th, 2009, 11:19 AM

Besides, as everyone loves to point out, I'm sure he'll be reading from a teleprompter.
True. If he were to vary from the teleprompter, all the kids would hear is additional "uhs" and "ums." :D

I swear he's related to Mayor Erkel. :p

therising

September 8th, 2009, 12:27 PM

Even though we all realize they're phony, how do you feel about the closing words of his speech? :confused:

I didn't read it. Post it here, and I'll let you know.

But, answer me one question honestly -- what's wrong with a President making a speech to children?

Surfing USA

September 8th, 2009, 12:30 PM

I didn't read it. Post it here, and I'll let you know.

But, answer me one question honestly -- what's wrong with a President making a speech to children?I posted the speech this morning. See post #69.

I'll save you the trouble. The closing line is, "Thank you, God bless you, and God bless America."

As for your question, let me tune into Rush Limbaugh and see if I can fetch you an answer. :D :p

therising

September 8th, 2009, 12:44 PM

I posted the speech this morning. See post #69.

I'll save you the trouble. The closing line is, "Thank you, God bless you, and God bless America."

As for your question, let me tune into Rush Limbaugh and see if I can fetch you an answer. :D :p

Why would I have a problem with that line? :confused: Virtually every Presidential speech ends with that.

And, let me know what Rush says you think. Hopefully, when he ever goes on vacation, you can get your opinion from Hannity - this way you are never without an opinion. :)

Truthdetector

September 8th, 2009, 12:46 PM

I wonder if this student was "prepared" before the meeting.

"During his meeting inside, one young person asked why the country doesn't have universal health insurance. "I think we need it. I think we can do it," Obama replied. The president said the country can afford to insure all Americans and that doing so will save money in the long run."

He claims the Country can afford it...... why can't anyone in Congress seem to be able to explain how?

blockclubof1

September 8th, 2009, 12:47 PM

Where was George W. Bush on the morning of September 11, 2001?

Surfing USA

September 8th, 2009, 12:49 PM

Where was George W. Bush on the morning of September 11, 2001?Reading to children so he'd have an alibi. ;)

Truthdetector

September 8th, 2009, 12:50 PM

Where was George W. Bush on the morning of September 11, 2001?

where was Obama on Sept. 11th?

Dougles

September 8th, 2009, 12:50 PM

Where was George W. Bush on the morning of September 11, 2001?

OH BOY! i knew it was only a matter of time!

GWB didn't make a live speach, he was reading a book. If you want to compare Obama to any POTUS it would be GHWB, they'll have two things in common, they both did a live speach to kids and both will be one term POTUS's!

therising

September 8th, 2009, 12:51 PM

Where was George W. Bush on the morning of September 11, 2001?

Yeah, but those kids were actors. They were the children of the CIA agents that were coordinating the attacks.

therising

September 8th, 2009, 12:53 PM

OH BOY! i knew it was only a matter of time!

GWB didn't make a live speach, he was reading a book. If you want to compare Obama to any POTUS it would be GHWB, they'll have two things in common, they both did a live speach to kids and both will be one term POTUS's!

Do you think that reading a book to kids is OK....but giving a speech isn't?

Seriously, we've come to a sad point in this Country, where everything is wrong.

Surfing USA

September 8th, 2009, 12:53 PM

Why would I have a problem with that line? :confused: Virtually every Presidential speech ends with that.
Because God isn't allowed in most schools. ;)

Surfing USA

September 8th, 2009, 01:39 PM

But, answer me one question honestly -- what's wrong with a President making a speech to children?As for your question, let me tune into Rush Limbaugh and see if I can fetch you an answer. :D :pAnd, let me know what Rush says you think. Hopefully, when he ever goes on vacation, you can get your opinion from Hannity - this way you are never without an opinion. :)Okay, I think I have your answer.

There's no problem with other Presidents making a speech to children, just Obama.

Why? Because he's a twit. :D :p

Dougles

September 8th, 2009, 01:42 PM

Do you think that reading a book to kids is OK....but giving a speech isn't?

Seriously, we've come to a sad point in this Country, where everything is wrong.

What? Did i miss something? Did we get attacked today? Then why would anyone bring up GWB??

cheekman

September 8th, 2009, 02:10 PM

Do you think that reading a book to kids is OK....but giving a speech isn't?

Seriously, we've come to a sad point in this Country, where everything is wrong.

yes, no, yes, no,yes, no,yes, no

cheekman

September 8th, 2009, 02:13 PM

The difference is that IF any of my kids watch this, I will speak to them about it when they get home and discuss it and tell them if they disagreed with something he had to say then its ok. You dont have to agree with the President.

good point. but he also had to tone it down because of all the flack he took.

Truthdetector

September 8th, 2009, 02:26 PM

When Bush spoke to students, Democrats investigated, held hearings
By: Byron York - Washington Enquirer
Chief Political Correspondent
09/08/09 7:11 AM EDT
The controversy over President Obama's speech to the nation's schoolchildren will likely be over shortly after Obama speaks today at Wakefield High School in Arlington, Virginia. But when President George H.W. Bush delivered a similar speech on October 1, 1991, from Alice Deal Junior High School in Washington DC, the controversy was just beginning. Democrats, then the majority party in Congress, not only denounced Bush's speech -- they also ordered the General Accounting Office to investigate its production and later summoned top Bush administration officials to Capitol Hill for an extensive hearing on the issue.

Unlike the Obama speech, in 1991 most of the controversy came after, not before, the president's school appearance. The day after Bush spoke, the Washington Post published a front-page story suggesting the speech was carefully staged for the president's political benefit. "The White House turned a Northwest Washington junior high classroom into a television studio and its students into props," the Post reported.

With the Post article in hand, Democrats pounced. "The Department of Education should not be producing paid political advertising for the president, it should be helping us to produce smarter students," said Richard Gephardt, then the House Majority Leader. "And the president should be doing more about education than saying, 'Lights, camera, action.'"

Democrats did not stop with words. Rep. William Ford, then chairman of the House Education and Labor Committee, ordered the General Accounting Office to investigate the cost and legality of Bush's appearance. On October 17, 1991, Ford summoned then-Education Secretary Lamar Alexander and other top Bush administration officials to testify at a hearing devoted to the speech. "The hearing this morning is to really examine the expenditure of $26,750 of the Department of Education funds to produce and televise an appearance by President Bush at Alice Deal Junior High School in Washington, DC," Ford began. "As the chairman of the committee charged with the authorization and implementation of education programs, I am very much interested in the justification, rationale for giving the White House scarce education funds to produce a media event."

Unfortunately for Ford, the General Accounting Office concluded that the Bush administration had not acted improperly. "The speech itself and the use of the department's funds to support it, including the cost of the production contract, appear to be legal," the GAO wrote in a letter to Chairman Ford. "The speech also does not appear to have violated the restrictions on the use of appropriations for publicity and propaganda."

That didn't stop Democratic allies from taking their own shots at Bush. The National Education Association denounced the speech, saying it "cannot endorse a president who spends $26,000 of taxpayers' money on a staged media event at Alice Deal Junior High School in Washington, D.C. -- while cutting school lunch funds for our neediest youngsters."

Lost in all the denouncing and investigating was the fact that Bush's speech itself, like Obama's today, was entirely unremarkable. "Block out the kids who think it's not cool to be smart," the president told students. "If someone goofs off today, are they cool? Are they still cool years from now, when they're stuck in a dead end job. Don't let peer pressure stand between you and your dreams.

guess it's our turn...... and some people don't like it.

Ragin

September 8th, 2009, 02:29 PM

Lil Ragin just got home from school.

She said the school didn't make the kids watch the speech.

She said the flat screen in the main hallway was tuned in though, but none of the kids bothered to stop long enough to watch it.

Like Surf said, they obviously had no interest in it

Brandon

September 8th, 2009, 02:37 PM

but he also had to tone it down because of all the flack he took.

hahahahahahahahaha....

This is yet another case where conservative fearmongers start a panic, nothing happens anywhere close to that panic, and they STILL claim success because 'without them, the panic WOULD have happened'.

hahahahahahahahaha....

Truthdetector

September 8th, 2009, 02:40 PM

I think that the Democrats (the majority party in Congress) should not only denounce Obama's speech -- they should also order the General Accounting Office to investigate its production and summon top Obama administration officials to Capitol Hill for an extensive hearing on the issue. Whats good for one guy is good for another.

Surfing USA

September 8th, 2009, 02:48 PM

hahahahahahahahaha....

This is yet another case where conservative fearmongers start a panic, nothing happens anywhere close to that panic, and they STILL claim success because 'without them, the panic WOULD have happened'.

hahahahahahahahaha....
Come on Brandon. You know you can't resist much longer. :p

http://majimbokenya.com/home/wp-content/uploads/2009/03/453px-george-w-bush.jpg

By the way, how was your first day of school?

Truthdetector

September 8th, 2009, 02:50 PM

This reminds me of the carnival game "wack a mole". Every time someone pops his head up here we get a shot!

therising

September 8th, 2009, 02:54 PM

When Bush spoke to students, Democrats investigated, held hearings

Bush is no longer President, so why are you bringing him up?

Brandon

September 8th, 2009, 02:55 PM

Come on Brandon. You know you can't resist much longer. :p

I should report you for displaying such a disgusting image! I'm completely offended by seeing that puppet.

Truthdetector

September 8th, 2009, 02:57 PM

Bush is no longer President, so why are you bringing him up?

Because I would like to know why the Democratic congress isn't asking for an investigation into this speech... History shows that Congress feels this practice is wrong. Why is there a change of attitude now? Maybe congress is afraid of being called racist for questioning this guys motivations?

Truthdetector

September 8th, 2009, 02:58 PM

I should report you for displaying such a disgusting image! I'm completely offended by seeing that puppet.

I think I found a new avitar!!!

therising

September 8th, 2009, 03:16 PM

Because I would like to know why the Democratic congress isn't asking for an investigation into this speech... History shows that Congress feels this practice is wrong. Why is there a change of attitude now? Maybe congress is afraid of being called racist for questioning this guys motivations?

You must have never followed politics before. It quite the sleazy profession.

You want to see something else ****ed up that the Dems did -- check out how they changed the law in MA a few years ago - they didn't want that Republican ****er Mitt Romney to be able to pick a new Senator, had Kerry won the election in '04 -- so they went ahead and changed the law!

Now, that the fat murdered boozing turd Teddy is dead, they want to change the law again - cause one of their own is now governor!

Republicans are not like this at all, are they? :confused:

Truthdetector

September 8th, 2009, 03:23 PM

You must have never followed politics before. It quite the sleazy profession.

You want to see something else ****ed up that the Dems did -- check out how they changed the law in MA a few years ago - they didn't want that Republican ****er Mitt Romney to be able to pick a new Senator, had Kerry won the election in '04 -- so they went ahead and changed the law!

Now, that the fat murdered boozing turd Teddy is dead, they want to change the law again - cause one of their own is now governor!

Republicans are not like this at all, are they? :confused:

Some skunks have one stripe, others have two. They both stink!

mesue

September 8th, 2009, 04:13 PM

hahahahahahahahaha....

This is yet another case where conservative fearmongers start a panic, nothing happens anywhere close to that panic, and they STILL claim success because 'without them, the panic WOULD have happened'.

hahahahahahahahaha....
I heard on the radio this morinng that he changed his speech. Which, being true to form, doesn't suprise me. Democrats rarely go beyond the polls.
There was no "Panic" My God Brandon, you don't see past your own perspective, do you?

Ragin

September 8th, 2009, 04:27 PM

There was no "Panic" My God Brandon, you don't see past your own perspective, do you?

http://www.speakupwny.com/forums/images/icons/icon14.gif

thank you :)

I was wondering where he came up with this "panic" theory. :rolleyes:
I thought I just missed all the news coverage over the weekend.

CAugust

September 8th, 2009, 07:50 PM

Do you honestly think the majority of kids will pay attention?

Be honest, when you were in grade school, did you care what the President had to say?

Ok so anyway at least my youngest watched it. I asked her what he said - nothing she replies - I said nothing? You watched the President and he had nothing to say? Thats odd dont you think? I mean he must have said something didn't he? Well, he told us to work hard and to stay in school and that those things are important ......

so - even though thier first response to you or a parent might be that they didn't listen or get anything out of it - I think they did - she got the main points - we'll talk more later tonight about it - if that is what any child got out of it, then thats the point.

Surfing USA

September 8th, 2009, 10:01 PM

Ok so anyway at least my youngest watched it. I asked her what he said - nothing she replies - I said nothing? You watched the President and he had nothing to say? Thats odd dont you think? I mean he must have said something didn't he? Well, he told us to work hard and to stay in school and that those things are important ......

so - even though thier first response to you or a parent might be that they didn't listen or get anything out of it - I think they did - she got the main points - we'll talk more later tonight about it - if that is what any child got out of it, then thats the point.So she pretty much gave you the response I mentioned earlier, only you had to drag it out of her.

To refresh you, I said kids would say something like, "he said to do good in school and stuff." ;) :D

cheekman

September 8th, 2009, 10:10 PM

Surfing USA

September 8th, 2009, 10:26 PM

surf this is what the health care thing is.
:D Awesome morph job. Did you do that? :D

cheekman

September 8th, 2009, 10:49 PM

nope... but i have been studying my english with.... Rosetta Stone since people have been telling me i have broken english.:D

therising

September 8th, 2009, 10:58 PM

cheekman

September 8th, 2009, 11:07 PM

CAugust

September 9th, 2009, 06:07 AM

So she pretty much gave you the response I mentioned earlier, only you had to drag it out of her.

To refresh you, I said kids would say something like, "he said to do good in school and stuff." ;) :D

hey - you know that you have to drag EVERYTHING out of kids .... :) if you ask them what they did in school that day they will say nothing - then there they are on the computer learning to count to 30 in french?! Hmmmm looks like they must have been studying counting in french that day :D ....

Cgoodsp466

September 9th, 2009, 08:24 AM

therising please send that to goody;)

Hey thanks for showing my ex wife,I wondered what happened to the Bitch.

ILOVEDNY

September 9th, 2009, 08:27 AM

Within the context of a civics curriculum, can someone explain why you feel it's wrong to assign a "what I can do to help the president" essay?

In an environment focused on learning about the nation's government, and its relation to the people, I have a hard time understanding why such an assignment -- no matter the political ideology of the nameplate on the oval office -- is a bad idea.

Maybe you should ask the 1991 Dems about that.
http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/opinion/blogs/beltway-confidential/When-Bush-spoke-to-students-Democrats-investigated-held-hearings-57694347.html

When Bush spoke to students, Democrats investigated, held hearings
By: Byron York

The controversy over President Obama's speech to the nation's schoolchildren will likely be over shortly after Obama speaks today at Wakefield High School in Arlington, Virginia. But when President George H.W. Bush delivered a similar speech on October 1, 1991, from Alice Deal Junior High School in Washington DC, the controversy was just beginning. Democrats, then the majority party in Congress, not only denounced Bush's speech -- they also ordered the General Accounting Office to investigate its production and later summoned top Bush administration officials to Capitol Hill for an extensive hearing on the issue.

Unlike the Obama speech, in 1991 most of the controversy came after, not before, the president's school appearance. The day after Bush spoke, the Washington Post published a front-page story suggesting the speech was carefully staged for the president's political benefit. "The White House turned a Northwest Washington junior high classroom into a television studio and its students into props," the Post reported.

With the Post article in hand, Democrats pounced. "The Department of Education should not be producing paid political advertising for the president, it should be helping us to produce smarter students," said Richard Gephardt, then the House Majority Leader. "And the president should be doing more about education than saying, 'Lights, camera, action.'"

Democrats did not stop with words. Rep. William Ford, then chairman of the House Education and Labor Committee, ordered the General Accounting Office to investigate the cost and legality of Bush's appearance. On October 17, 1991, Ford summoned then-Education Secretary Lamar Alexander and other top Bush administration officials to testify at a hearing devoted to the speech. "The hearing this morning is to really examine the expenditure of $26,750 of the Department of Education funds to produce and televise an appearance by President Bush at Alice Deal Junior High School in Washington, DC," Ford began. "As the chairman of the committee charged with the authorization and implementation of education programs, I am very much interested in the justification, rationale for giving the White House scarce education funds to produce a media event."

Unfortunately for Ford, the General Accounting Office concluded that the Bush administration had not acted improperly. "The speech itself and the use of the department's funds to support it, including the cost of the production contract, appear to be legal," the GAO wrote in a letter to Chairman Ford. "The speech also does not appear to have violated the restrictions on the use of appropriations for publicity and propaganda."

That didn't stop Democratic allies from taking their own shots at Bush. The National Education Association denounced the speech, saying it "cannot endorse a president who spends $26,000 of taxpayers' money on a staged media event at Alice Deal Junior High School in Washington, D.C. -- while cutting school lunch funds for our neediest youngsters."

Lost in all the denouncing and investigating was the fact that Bush's speech itself, like Obama's today, was entirely unremarkable. "Block out the kids who think it's not cool to be smart," the president told students. "If someone goofs off today, are they cool? Are they still cool years from now, when they're stuck in a dead end job. Don't let peer pressure stand between you and your dreams.

So Skeptic guy?
What has changed in 18 years?

Brandon

September 9th, 2009, 08:29 AM

ILOVEDNY

September 9th, 2009, 08:54 AM

Where in the above article does it mention that Bush was Hitler?

That's the difference here. The lunatic right is going way overboard. The Democrats simply charged that the Bush situation was a political photo op. The republicans are claiming much more dispicable things.

No.
The difference is that ordinary folks are speaking up now.
You know.
The ones that Pelosi branded as "swaztika wearing mobs."

Yet when a Repub spoke to children.
We had 2 special invesrigations and a boatload of vile rhetoric.
BTW.
The investigations said Bush did nothing wrong.

When can we expect the special prosecutor to be named?

Hipocracy.... Thy name is libtard.

Brandon

September 9th, 2009, 09:08 AM

No.
The difference is that ordinary folks are speaking up now.

So, Glenn Beck, Bill O'Reilly, Rush Limbaugh and Sean Hannity are 'ordinary folks'? okay. sure.....

Truthdetector

September 9th, 2009, 09:18 AM

So, Glenn Beck, Bill O'Reilly, Rush Limbaugh and Sean Hannity are 'ordinary folks'? okay. sure.....

Seems like you spend too much time listening to these guys.... Maybe you should find some gainful employement to occupy your time better.

Surfing USA

September 9th, 2009, 11:38 AM

CAugust

September 9th, 2009, 11:55 AM

That video is a joke - please tell me thats a joke, b/c i cant find it on cnn - if anyone has the link - please post it for me ......

Surfing USA

September 9th, 2009, 12:05 PM

That video is a joke - please tell me thats a joke, b/c i cant find it on cnn - if anyone has the link - please post it for me ......Take notice of the video's title. ;)

'Right wing mother cries on CNN - Hilarious Parody'

Surfing USA

September 9th, 2009, 01:17 PM

Ok so anyway at least my youngest watched it. I asked her what he said - nothing she replies - I said nothing? You watched the President and he had nothing to say? Thats odd dont you think? I mean he must have said something didn't he? Well, he told us to work hard and to stay in school and that those things are important ......

so - even though thier first response to you or a parent might be that they didn't listen or get anything out of it - I think they did - she got the main points - we'll talk more later tonight about it - if that is what any child got out of it, then thats the point.Here's what a Woodrow Wilson fifth-grader said about the speech. "Education, pay attention to the teachers, stuff like that. It was pretty cool." http://www.buffalonews.com/cityregion/story/788992.html

There's the word, "stuff," I was talking about. ;) :D :p

Ragin

September 9th, 2009, 01:49 PM

That video is a joke - please tell me thats a joke, b/c i cant find it on cnn - if anyone has the link - please post it for me ......

Of course it's a parody .. it even says so in the title.

It was posted on the wnymedia website shortly before it was posted here.

I'd like to know if CNN actually told their viewers it was a parody before they aired the tape :rolleyes:

Surfing USA

September 9th, 2009, 02:04 PM

Of course it's a parody .. it even says so in the title.

It was posted on the wnymedia website shortly before it was posted here.

I'd like to know if CNN actually told their viewers it was a parody before they aired the tape :rolleyes:I doubt CNN aired that.

The big question is, did the producer of the video get permission from CNN to use their logo? :confused: If not, they could be in a bit of legal trouble. :eek:

Surfing USA

September 9th, 2009, 04:13 PM

I heard on the radio this morinng that he changed his speech. Which, being true to form, doesn't suprise me. Democrats rarely go beyond the polls.
There was no "Panic" My God Brandon, you don't see past your own perspective, do you?Keep in mind, you're talking to a guy who has Obama posters on all four walls and the ceiling of his bedroom, that were applied with the glue stick http://t3.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:d0xLDVd39JCepM:http://content.etilize.com/images/50/11958641.jpg Governor Paterson gave him. :p :D

He's one of the few that actually used the $200 for school supplies. :D

Truthdetector

September 9th, 2009, 07:32 PM

I should report you for displaying such a disgusting image! I'm completely offended by seeing that puppet.

well, it wouldn't be the first time now would it.

CAugust

September 9th, 2009, 08:46 PM

you know I was laughing so hard I missed that disclaimer - what a hoot though ..... I loved it ....