Ted Kennedy dead at 77

[gorja]

Senator Ted Kennedy dead at 77
http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/TedKennedy/story?id=6692022

[pointblank]

Senator Kennedy understood that health care should be as natural as breathing and drinking water. Getting sick comes cheap, so should cures.

[Sock Puppet]

The truth about Ted Kennedy.

From anonymous source…

As soon as his cancer was detected, I noticed the immediate attempt at the “canonization” of old Teddy Kennedy by the mainstream media. They are saying what a “great American” he is. I say, let’s get a couple things clear and not twist the facts to change the real history:

1. He was caught cheating at Harvard when he attended it. He was expelled twice, once for cheating on a test, and once for paying a classmate to cheat for him.

2. While expelled, Kennedy enlisted in the Army, but mistakenly signed up for four years instead of two. Oops! The man can’t count to four! His father, Joseph P. Kennedy, former U.S. Ambassador to England (a step up from bootlegging liquor into the US from Canada during prohibition), pulled the necessary strings to have his enlistment shortened to two years, and to ensure that he served in Europe, not Korea , where a war was raging. No preferential treatment for him! (like he charged that President Bush received).

3. Kennedy was assigned to Paris , never advanced beyond the rank of Private, and returned to Harvard upon being discharged. Imagine a person of his “education” NEVER advancing past the rank of Private!

4. While attending law school at the University of Virginia , he was cited for reckless driving four times, including once when he was clocked driving 90 miles per hour in a residential neighborhood with his headlights off after dark. Yet his Virginia driver’s license was never revoked.. Coincidentally, he passed the bar exam in 1959. Amazing!

5. In 1964, he was seriously injured in a plane crash, and hospitalized for several months. Test results done by the hospital at the time he was admitted had shown he was legally intoxicated. The results of those tests remained a “state secret” until in the 1980’s when the report was unsealed.. Didn’t hear about that from the unbiased media, did we?

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6. On July 19, 1969, Kennedy attended a party on Chappaquiddick Island in Massachusetts . At about 11:00 PM, he borrowed his chauffeur’s keys to his Oldsmobile limousine, and offered to give a ride home to Mary Jo Kopechne, a campaign worker. Leaving the island via an unlit bridge with no guard rail, Kennedy steered the car off the bridge, flipped, and sank into Poucha Pond.

7. He swam to shore and walked back to the party, passing several houses and a fire station. Two friends then returned with him to the scene of the accident. According to their later testimony, they told him what he already knew – that he was required by law to immediately report the accident to the authorities. Instead, Kennedy made his way to his hotel, called his lawyer, and went to sleep. Kennedy called the police the next morning and by then the wreck had already been discovered. Before dying, Kopechne had scratched at the upholstered floor above her head in the upside-down car. Kopechne was able to stay alive for a while breathing a bubble of air inside the car.

One source notes “A diver was sent down and discovered Kopechne’s body at around 8:45 am. The diver, John Farrar, later testified at the inquest that Kopechne’s body was pressed up in the car in the spot where an air bubble would have formed. He interpreted this to mean that Kopechne had survived for a while after the initial accident in the air bubble, and concluded that: ‘Had I received a call within five to ten minutes of the accident occurring, and was able, as I was the following morning, to be at the victim’s side within twenty-five minutes of receiving the call, in such event there is a strong possibility that she would have been alive on removal from the submerged car’.”

The Kennedy family began “calling in favors”, ensuring that any inquiry would be contained. Her corpse was whisked out-of-state to her family, before an autopsy could be conducted. Further details are uncertain, but after the accident Kennedy says he repeatedly dove under the water trying to rescue Kopechne and he didn’t call police because he was in a state of shock.

It is widely assumed Kennedy was drunk, and he held off calling police in hopes that his family could fix the problem overnight. Since the accident, Kennedy’s “political enemies” have referred to him as the distinguished Senator from Chappaquiddick. He pled guilty to leaving the scene of an accident, and was given a SUSPENDED SENTENCE OF TWO MONTHS.

Kopechne’s family received a small pay out from the Kennedy’s insurance policy, and never sued. There was later an effort to have her body exhumed and autopsied, but her family successfully fought against this in court, and Kennedy’s family paid their attorney’s bills… a “token of friendship”?

8. Kennedy has held his Senate seat for more than forty years, but considering his longevity, his accomplishments seem scant. He authored or argued for legislation that ensured a variety of civil rights, increased the minimum wage in 1981, made access to health care easier for the indigent, and funded Meals on Wheels for fixed-income seniors and is widely held as the “standard-bearer for liberalism”. In his very first Senate roll, he was the floor manager for the bill that turned U.S. immigration policy upside down and opened the floodgate for immigrants from third world countries.

9. Since that time, he has been the prime instigator and author of every expansion of an increase in immigration, up to and including the latest attempt to grant amnesty to illegal aliens. Not to mention the pious grilling he gave the last two Supreme Court nominees, as if he was the standard bearer for the nation in matters of “what’s right”.

10. He is known around Washington as a public drunk, loud, boisterous and very disrespectful to ladies. JERK is a better description than “great American”. “A blond in every pond” should be his motto.

Let’s not allow the spin doctors to make this disgraceful drunk and whore of anti-American special interests a hero. It’s shameful that more people don’t know what his real legacy is.

[Save Us]

Good riddance!

[Cgoodsp466]

Burn in Hell Teddy,I am sure the Kopechne Family is real sad today. My Flag is at its highest point . Cheers mate its a fine day.

[Dougles]

I'd never wish death upon anyone, but finally Mary Jo's familly will have some peace and justice.

[FisherRd]

Senator Kennedy understood that health care should be as natural as breathing and drinking water.

Too bad he didn't understand drinking and driving can kill.
As for drinking water, Mary Jo knows all about it.

[ILOVEDNY]

RIP Senator Kennedy.

[Surfing USA]

RIP Senator Kennedy.
Rest In........

Peace?
Pain?
Pyre?
purgatory?

[Dougles]

Now the question is, since they have to wait like 140 days to replace him, the DEM's no longer have a fillabuster proof senate, will this delay or effect the HC expansion?

[Save Us]

rest in........

Peace?
Pain?
Pyre?
Purgatory?


i would choose pain.

[therising]

If every elected official had the passion, and the longing to serve those who actually need it, this country would be a better place.

Rest in Peace, Senator.

[Surfing USA]

If every elected official had the passion, and the longing to serve those who actually need it, this country would be a better place.

Rest in Peace, Senator.Besides Ronald Reagan and Chris Collins, I can't recall anyone, (in my lifetime,) who's fits that description.

[Ragin]

I wouldn't wish death on anybody .....

But I didn't much like the guy either.

I'm kinda surprised he lasted this long.

[Dougles]

I'm kinda surprised he lasted this long.



that's because he had private healthcare and not govt HC, Sorry had to say it :D:p

[Cgoodsp466]

I wouldn't wish death on anybody .....

But I didn't much like the guy either.

I'm kinda surprised he lasted this long.

Its that great health care they get I would have been dead a year ago

[DR_GONZO]

Mary Jo Kopechne's family must be throwing one heck of a party today in honor of staunch prohibitionist, Edward M. Kennedy. Burn in hell, cretin, burn in hell. Wonder if Ronnie(I don't remember) Reagan welcomed him with open arms or a pitchfork?

[Dumbfounded]

Mary Jo Kopechne's family must be throwing one heck of a party today in honor of staunch prohibitionist, Edward M. Kennedy. Burn in hell, cretin, burn in hell.

I expected this kind of stupidity.

Whether or not Kennedy is responsible for this girl's drowning,
"the slate's been wiped clean" many, many times over for the good this man did-Good that's on record.

Love Cheney? Cheney sent thousands of our troops to their deaths knowingly for the sake of profit while Kennedy was a man of peace, diplomacy and actually got things done for this country.

Too much to list and your mind is made up but to quote a fascist talk show host making a comment after Cheney shot his friend hunting,

"Folks, you're STILL safer going hunting with Dick Cheney than driving with Ted Kennedy! Oh!!" (In a self-congragulatory, sarcastic manner).

Want me to list all of Ted Kennedy's accomplishments from successful health care (BEFORE the proposed bill) to ensuring Bork did not get nominated to the Supreme Court to standing up for unions, a man born into wealth and privilige who worked hard as hell and for the most part HONESTLY to help the "common man?"

Seriously. Whatever happened at Chappaquedick(SP) was canceled out by the GOOD Ted Kennedy did BECAUSE some of the bills he created and/or pushed through-
SAVED LIVES AND IMPROVED THE QUALITY OF MANY.

You want justice?

How's about getting a few dozen international independent prosecutors with an oversight committe to keep em' honest, round up YOUR people from the last eight years and let's have a nice, open-to-the-public war crimes trial.

IF there's a Heaven, Kennedy's there.



And don't give me his "womanizing drunken debauchery" crap-At least he wasn't ASHAMED of it, wasn't a closet gay like so many of the Grand Old Perverts and frankly, compared to PLENTY of legislator's sexual antics,
Teddy Kennedy was a proverbial saint.

Rest in peace, Senator. You deserve it.

[Dumbfounded]

If every elected official had the passion, and the longing to serve those who actually need it, this country would be a better place.

Rest in Peace, Senator.

Tell THAT to those who aren't willing to look PAST the laughable antics the mainstream media's filled people's minds with and this INCLUDES "findings" from the "HONEST" conservative think tanks and other "NEWS" organizations"
and as in "real life"
there are some people in this thread, people I've come to respect a lot, people who I KNOW are smart as hell-People who believe that Ted Kennedy was ONLY a lecherous drunken lying monster so once again, I have to say to the mainstream, corporate media and that scumbag Rupert Murdoch who created much of it,

"MISSION ACCOMPLISHED."


One tiny example of right-wing media stupidity,

"Folks, you're still safer going hunting with Dick Cheney than driving with Ted Kennedy! Oh!!!" (Day after Dick Sociopath Cheney accidently shot his friend in the face while hunting Quail with clipped wings. In an enclosed preserve.


I'd gladly look up and post twenty or more of Teddy Kennedy's great accomplishments on this thread, except a bunch of kool-aid conservatives would come along, brush the FACTS aside citing Mary Jo Kopechne as if she's a martyr like Joan Of Arc.

Like some liberal commentators have stated, I HOPE that Kennedy's death does become a POWERFUL IMPETUS to push the health care bill with the public option through.

[Surfing USA]

"Folks, you're still safer going hunting with Dick Cheney than driving with Ted Kennedy! Oh!!!" (Day after Dick Sociopath Cheney accidently shot his friend in the face while hunting Quail with clipped wings. In an enclosed preserve.I never heard that saying before. :D :D :D

Other than his friend, (with six feet of dirt,) I still wonder what Cheney was attempting to cover up. Either way, a shotgun to the face is enough to keep most people quiet. :p

[DR_GONZO]

Dumbfounded, I'm past party lines. Why didn't you quote the rest of my post instead of blindly labeling me as belonging to the other filth party? He left that girl for dead and didn't give a rat's ass about it until the next morning. Yeah he more than made up for it. He's making up for it now, in hell.

[mesue]

nm/nt

[DomesticatedFeminist]

Mary Jo Kopechne's family must be throwing one heck of a party today in honor of staunch prohibitionist, Edward M. Kennedy. Burn in hell, cretin, burn in hell. Wonder if Ronnie(I don't remember) Reagan welcomed him with open arms or a pitchfork?

Neither is in hell because hell doesn't exist. Ronald Regan was reincarnated as a child in aghanistan who suffered under the taliban.

Ted Kennedy hasn't been reincarnated yet.

[DomesticatedFeminist]

Ted kennedy did soooooo much for women, minorities and handicapped people. Let us not forget the Act for disabilities.

[gorja]

Originally posted by therising:
If every elected official had the passion, and the longing to serve those who actually need it, this country would be a better place.

Rest in Peace, Senator.


Great post!

Whether one agreed with him politically or not, there's no denying that this senator always fought for the underdogs of this country with such fervor. His absence from the senate will be such a loss to the people he advocated for including the mentally, physically and monetarily challenged.

[Eat My Gun]

I just can't believe they're going to disgrace the hallowed grounds of Arlington National Cemetery by letting him be buried there....

[BuffaloTransplant]

that's because he had private healthcare and not govt HC, Sorry had to say it :D:p

Amen to that! he didn't care what others had.

[BuffaloTransplant]

I just can't believe they're going to disgrace the hallowed grounds of Arlington National Cemetery by letting him be buried there....

Why does he get the right? It is basically for Military. His brother was a president. The politicians, other than Presidents should not be there, other than Military.

[yokes]

Why does he get the right? It is basically for Military. His brother was a president. The politicians, other than Presidents should not be there, other than Military.

he's eligable because

Any former member of the Armed Forces who served on active duty (other than for training) and who held any of the following positions:
An elective office of the U.S. Government
Office of the Chief Justice of the United States or of an Associate Justice of the Supreme Court of the United States.
An office listed, at the time the person held the position, in 5 USC 5312 or 5313 (Levels I and II of the Executive Schedule).
The chief of a mission who was at any time during his/her tenure classified in Class I under the provisions of Section 411, Act of 13 August 1946, 60 Stat. 1002, as amended (22 USC 866) or as listed in State Department memorandum dated March 21, 1988.

[sneakers77]

Why does he get the right? It is basically for Military. His brother was a president. The politicians, other than Presidents should not be there, other than Military.

If u would have read Sock's post, it clearly points out he served in the Army for two years achieving the rank of private. How the hell can you be in the Army for two years and only reach the rank of private??????????

[Surfing USA]

How the hell can you be in the Army for two years and only reach the rank of private??????????Ask Gomer. :D

http://www.hotmoviesale.com/dvds/71771/1/Gomer-Pyle-USMC-The-Third-Season.jpg

[Dumbfounded]

I just can't believe they're going to disgrace the hallowed grounds of Arlington National Cemetery by letting him be buried there....


The Boston Globe
SCOT LEHIGH
Stopping the surge

By Scot Lehigh, Globe Columnist | January 9, 2007

TED KENNEDY thinks George W. Bush is dead wrong on a troop surge for Iraq -- and while some other Democrats have reacted diffidently, he is determined to force the issue.

Today the Massachusetts senator will introduce legislation to prevent the president from increasing US troop levels in Iraq without specific authorization from Congress. And in a speech at the National Press Club one day before the president outlines his new Iraq plans to the nation, Kennedy will take aim at the idea of sending more troops.

"In the election, the American people made it very clear they wanted a change in direction," Kennedy said in an interview yesterday. "The president has been going in the wrong direction -- and we are going to do everything we can to get accountability."

If that happens, "they will have effectively won the day," Kennedy said. "They will have gotten what they are looking for." Thus Kennedy says he will press for a vote on his legislation "at the earliest possible time."

Kennedy's bill wouldn't cut off funding for troops already in Iraq; rather, it would prohibit the administration from using federal funds to increase US troops beyond the levels there on Jan. 1 of this year without specific congressional approval.

It's time for Congress to reassert itself, declares Kennedy, who argues that the October 2002 resolution that gave Bush authority to go to war should now be considered expired.






Ted Kennedy was against the surge;Sending more U.S. troops to Iraq to die and get maimed.

Whatta joik! Imagine that! Ted Kennedy didn't want to send MORE U.S. soliders to Iraq to die and be inured for nothing!


Look past Kennedy's womanizing & drinking, turn a deaf ear to the crap you've been hearing on the TV and radio and realize that if we had MORE Seantors like Ted Kennedy,
we would not be headed for disaster at terminal velocity and I write this with 100% confidence.

[Dumbfounded]

nm/nt

PLEASE DON'T TALK WITH YOUR MOUTH FULL, MESUE!
Now. Spit the food out and tell us what you're TRYING to say!
I don't speak sign language!

DR_GONZO-Sorry I went off on you like that. Really.


Sneakers77: Do you know how many CAREER PRIVATES THERE HAVE BEEN AND ARE in our armed forces?
Neither do I! But I bet its a lot!

I haven't checked into O' Reilly's, Hannity's, Herr LinPig's or ugggh-Beck's two-sided, smart-assed, irreverent scummy comments or FAKE PRAISE about Ted Kennedy;Most likely, these THINGS said some ugly stuff about a guy who
made their "GOD," Rondald Regan look like the IMBECILE he was although Teddy Kennedy & Reagan were actually good friends.

[sneakers77]

Sneakers77: Do you know how many CAREER PRIVATES THERE HAVE BEEN AND ARE in our armed forces?
Neither do I! But I bet its a lot!

To be honest, I don't know.

But when I was in the military the army guys made rank quicker than a Jewish guy bending over to pick up a nickel................:p

[Slim.fsp]

Ted Kennedy showing America that even a alcoholic can hold down a job for 30+ years.

[left wing]

I expected this kind of stupidity.

Whether or not Kennedy is responsible for this girl's drowning,
"the slate's been wiped clean" many, many times over for the good this man did-Good that's on record.

Love Cheney? Cheney sent thousands of our troops to their deaths knowingly for the sake of profit while Kennedy was a man of peace, diplomacy and actually got things done for this country.

Too much to list and your mind is made up but to quote a fascist talk show host making a comment after Cheney shot his friend hunting,

"Folks, you're STILL safer going hunting with Dick Cheney than driving with Ted Kennedy! Oh!!" (In a self-congragulatory, sarcastic manner).

Want me to list all of Ted Kennedy's accomplishments from successful health care (BEFORE the proposed bill) to ensuring Bork did not get nominated to the Supreme Court to standing up for unions, a man born into wealth and privilige who worked hard as hell and for the most part HONESTLY to help the "common man?"

Seriously. Whatever happened at Chappaquedick(SP) was canceled out by the GOOD Ted Kennedy did BECAUSE some of the bills he created and/or pushed through-
SAVED LIVES AND IMPROVED THE QUALITY OF MANY.

You want justice?

How's about getting a few dozen international independent prosecutors with an oversight committe to keep em' honest, round up YOUR people from the last eight years and let's have a nice, open-to-the-public war crimes trial.

IF there's a Heaven, Kennedy's there.



And don't give me his "womanizing drunken debauchery" crap-At least he wasn't ASHAMED of it, wasn't a closet gay like so many of the Grand Old Perverts and frankly, compared to PLENTY of legislator's sexual antics,
Teddy Kennedy was a proverbial saint.

Rest in peace, Senator. You deserve it.


Well said. Kennedy did so much good in his lifetime. Sad that these bozos can't see beyond their small minds. But, not surprising. Senators on BOTH sides of the aisle said he was the greatest senator in the Senate. He worked long and tirelessly for the little guy.

[left wing]

To be honest, I don't know.

But when I was in the military the army guys made rank quicker than a Jewish guy bending over to pick up a nickel................:p


That was not a nice way to put it.

[Eat My Gun]

Look past Kennedy's womanizing & drinking, turn a deaf ear to the crap you've been hearing on the TV and radio and realize that if we had MORE Seantors like Ted Kennedy,
we would not be headed for disaster at terminal velocity and I write this with 100% confidence.

If we had more Senators like Teddy, instead of a $9 trillion deficit over the next ten years we'd be running a $18 trillion deficit. That's what I call disaster at a terminal velocity....

[mesue]

PLEASE DON'T TALK WITH YOUR MOUTH FULL, MESUE!
Now. Spit the food out and tell us what you're TRYING to say!
I don't speak sign language!

...
nm/nt = never mind, no text
I said something that wasn't very nice and I knew it would anger most of the posters here who, still, glorify liberal politics. :o

[Mr. Lackawanna]

Now the question is, since they have to wait like 140 days to replace him, the DEM's no longer have a fillabuster proof senate, will this delay or effect the HC expansion?

The State of Massachusetts will have a special law passed so they don't have to wait 140 days to appoint another liberal Senator. That way the US Senate will be fillabuster proof.
:mad:

[mesue]

The State of Massachusetts will have a special law passed so they don't have to wait 140 days to appoint another liberal Senator. That way the US Senate will be fillabuster proof.
:mad:

That is so messed up! Where is the out cry for abuse of power?
What if it were a Republican that died and this law were in the works?
WTH? :mad:

[ILOVEDNY]

Well said. Kennedy did so much good in his lifetime. Sad that these bozos can't see beyond their small minds.

And John Wayne Gacey made terrific balloon animals.
http://www.speakupwny.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=2774&stc=1&d=1251375374

[Surfing USA]

And John Wayne Gacey made terrific balloon animals.
http://www.speakupwny.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=2774&stc=1&d=1251375374
And Michael Jackson created Neverland for his victims, er, uh, "friends." :p

[FisherRd]

Well said. Kennedy did so much good in his lifetime. Sad that these bozos can't see beyond their small minds. But, not surprising. Senators on BOTH sides of the aisle said he was the greatest senator in the Senate. He worked long and tirelessly for the little guy.

He was a murderer. He never served a single day in jail for killing a woman while he was driving drunk.

BTW, why don't you tell us what exactly he did in 47 years of elected office that wipes the slate clean for killing a woman. You know, like actual things accomplished. Don't waste my time with a co-sponsor of some ridiculous bill, I want accomplishments. The empty heads claiming he did so much can't name a single thing he's done without using google, and even then his "accomplishments" are non-existant consider he served for 47 years.

[Brandon]

He was a murderer. He never served a single day in jail for killing a woman while he was driving drunk.


Laura Bush killed her ex-boyfriend by running a stop sign and crashing into him with her car. She didn't serve any time in jail. Doesn't that make her a murderer too?

Of course, not, you're partisan! Murder is okay if someone you like does it. If someone you don't like does it, they should burn in hell. I understand.

[FisherRd]

Laura Bush killed her ex-boyfriend by running a stop sign and crashing into him with her car. She didn't serve any time in jail. Doesn't that make her a murderer too?

Of course, not, you're partisan!

Was she drunk, you fool?

[Save Us]

I'm just waiting for the Vatican to declare him a Saint.

What a POS! If he was anybody but a Kennedy he would have been bounced out of office.

Thank God that lineage is Dead.....p.s. people should read some books about Joe Kennedy and his clan...:mad:

[Dumbfounded]

Edited on Wed Aug-26-09 01:26 PM by Lorax7844
From Jezebel.com
http://jezebel.com/5345863/the-lion-sleeps-tonight-ted-...



1) Gender Equity: Kennedy saw the Senate of the Equal Rights Amendment in 1972, which aimed to make men and women equal in the constitution. He reintroduced the legislation again this congressional session, but it has yet to make it into the constitution.

2) Kennnedy championed Title IX of the Civil Rights Act in 1972, which prevented educational institutions from discriminating against women (afterward, colleges and universities integrated, paving the way for women like Sonia Sotomayor and Hillary Clinton to attend Ivy League institutions), as well as requiring equitable athletic opportunities.

3) Civil Rights: Kennedy saw the passage of the Civil Rights Restoration Act of 1988 as committee chairman, which strengthened the Civil Rights Act of 1964. Afterward, then-executive director of the Leadership Council on Civil Rights Ralph Neas said, "Now you see what happens when you have a civil rights champion in charge of the committee."

4) He was also chief sponsor on the Civil Rights Act of 1991, which addressed intentional discrimination and harassment in the workplace. He was also a key sponsor of legislation by the same name in 2008, which sought to restore civil rights protections stripped by Supreme Court rulings in recent years (like the Lilly Ledbetter case).

5) Pay Equity: Kennedy worked on the Fair Pay Restoration Act, which sought to restore the rights of women to sue with each discriminatory paycheck, overturning the Supreme Court ruling in Ledbetter v. Goodyear.

6) Voting Rights: Kennedy worked on the Voting Rights Act of 1965, which allowed equal access to voting as part of the Civil Rights movement. He also worked to add amendments in 1982 that expanded voting access to Native Americans, Latinos, and others who required language assistance.

7) Affirmative Action: Kennedy helped defeat legislation that would have ended federal affirmative action in 1998 and joined his colleagues in the Senate in filing a brief urging the Supreme Court to uphold affirmative action in 2003.

8) LGBT Rights: Kennedy has been the chief sponsor of the Employment Non-Discrimination Act since 1994, which would make it illegal to discriminate on the basis of sexual orientation in the workplace. The bill has yet to pass.

9) Hate Crimes: Kennedy worked on the Matthew Shepard Local Law Enforcement Hate Crimes Prevention Act in 2007, which would implement more severe penalties for crimes against women, gays, lesbians, and transgender persons. The bill was vetoed by President Bush in 2007, but the legislation has been reintroduced in the 110th Congress.

10) HIV/AIDS: Kennedy introduced what became the Ryan White CARE Act, which addressed thirteen cities hit hardest by the HIV/AIDS crisis in 1990. When it was up for reauthorization in 2000, it provided nearly $9 billion in HIV/AIDS services over the following five years.

11) Domestic Violence: Kennedy worked with Vice President Joe Biden on the 1994 Violence Against Women Act. He also worked on its reauthorization in 2000, which allowed immigrant women to apply for permanent status in the United States without their abusive partners.

12) Disability Equity: Kennedy worked to pass the Americans with Disabilities Act in 1990, which provided much-needed accommodations for those with disabilities.

13) Minimum Wage: Kennedy worked with Congress in 2007 to pass the first hike in the minimum wage in more than a decade. Women disproportionately make up the population low-wage hourly workers.

14) Women in Combat: Kennedy championed the repeal a ban of women in combat in 1991. Women are still technically barred from fighting on the "front lines," such stipulations are meaningless in modern combat. By working for legislation that repealed archaic legislation, Kennedy helped women achieve more equality in the military.

15) Military Child Care: In 1989, Kennedy saw the passage of the National Military Child Care Act, which established the Department of Defense's child care program. This allowed working spouses of military members and women who were enlisted themselves to have access to high-quality, federally funded child care.

16) Health Insurance for Children and Pregnant Women: In 1997, Kennedy co-sponsored the State Children's Health Insurance Program (SCHIP), allowing families to have access to health care that previously didn't. Kennedy also introduced legislation that has yet to pass, Affordable Health Care Act, which would expand Medicaid and SCHIP coverage for children, pregnant women, and the disabled.

17) He saw the passage of the Pregnancy Discrimination Act in 1978, which made it illegal for employers to fire women for leave taken due to pregnancy. We still don't require employers to provide paid maternity leave.

18) Minority Health Care: Kennedy championed the The Minority Health and Health Disparities Research and Education Act in 2000, which provided funding for research for how to reduce disparities in cancer, heart disease, HIV/AIDS, diabetes, and other severe health problems that are found to be significantly higher in minority populations. In 2006, he introduced the Minority Health Improvement and Health Disparity Elimination Act, which would address inequalities in health care access and treatment if passed.

19) The Inclusion of Women in Scientific and Medical Research: Kennedy co-sponsored the NIH Revitalization Act of 1993, legislation that called for the inclusion of women and minorities in federally funded clinical research.




"B-But Bill O' Reilly and Rush said that Senator Kennedy was-Was an evil man and a liberal socialist satanist terrorist sympathizer a-And if my conservative talk show friends say Kennedy was a-a b-bad p-person, then it m-must b-be true? Right? Cus I forgot how to form my own opinions years ago!
I just listen to the talk shows and news cus it hurts to think!
Hee hee hee hee hee hee hee hee hee!!!"

[Brandon]

Was she drunk, you fool?

Okay - so, what you're saying is:

If someone kills someone else while drunk - they go to hell.
If someone kills someone else while sober - that's okay.

Nice logic there.

[FisherRd]

Murder is okay if someone you like does it. If someone you don't like does it, they should burn in hell. I understand.



I realize the list of things you're unaware of is vast, but look at the actual facts of the Kennedy case. Look at his admitted actions, look at his own words. Now, see if those alone aren't a nail in his coffin. They defy logic. There is no possible way anyone can know the facts of that case and not know he was a murderer. Even if you believe he wasn't drunk, which is impossible, there is no way to claim his actions after the accident didn't directly lead to her death and that he was attempting a cover-up.

[Dougles]

That is so messed up! Where is the out cry for abuse of power?
What if it were a Republican that died and this law were in the works?
WTH? :mad:

Actually, when Kerry dropped out as Senator to run for POTUS, the state CHANGED the laws so Mitt R ( a republican) couldn't appoint a R senator, talk about double standards! Libotardisim at it's best!

[FisherRd]

"B-But Bill O' Reilly and Rush said that Senator Kennedy was-Was an evil man and a liberal socialist satanist terrorist sympathizer a-And if my conservative talk show friends say Kennedy was a-a b-bad p-person, then it m-must b-be true? Right? Cus I forgot how to form my own opinions years ago!
I just listen to the talk shows and news cus it hurts to think!
Hee hee hee hee hee hee hee hee hee!!!"


You're a certified lunatic, and obviously unable to read.
I said accomplishments you stooge.

Sponsoring things that never passed isn't an accomplishment. Co-sponsoring isn't an acomplishment. "He saw the..." is meaningless. Anyone in the Senate "saw" the passage of a ton of bills, but how is that an accomplishment?

As I said, you nor the other fools can name one thing Kennedy actually did (besides kill a woman) without googling and stealing somebody else's list. And then you have the nerve to claim someone else is being told what to say...

You're a nut.

[FisherRd]

Okay - so, what you're saying is:

If someone kills someone else while drunk - they go to hell.
If someone kills someone else while sober - that's okay.

Nice logic there.

Yeah, that's what I said, retard...

Get on the short bus with Dumbcompounded.

[Dumbfounded]

You're a certified lunatic, and obviously unable to read.
I said accomplishments you stooge.

Sponsoring things that never passed isn't an accomplishment. Co-sponsoring isn't an acomplishment. "He saw the..." is meaningless. Anyone in the Senate "saw" the passage of a ton of bills, but how is that an accomplishment?

As I said, you nor the other fools can name one thing Kennedy actually did (besides kill a woman) without googling and stealing somebody else's list. And then you have the nerve to claim someone else is being told what to say...

You're a nut.


Accomplishments and bills which have helped citizens are pretty much the same thing, big-mouth.

I did THOROUGH Googlling to find the most READABLE list of Kennedy's accomplishments for this thread;Yes, there was a link for a much LONGER LIST of Kennedy's ACCOMPLISHMENTS but seeing as how you have such a short attention span and
since you're such a dunce,
its easier for you to spit out insults instead of looking at both sides of an issue which hurts your little brain because you have to think.

As far as my being a "nut," it sounds like you have some really serious issues, Fisher and try thinking for yourself-Just once. You might like it, "big man."

[Dougles]

Laura Bush killed her ex-boyfriend by running a stop sign and crashing into him with her car. She didn't serve any time in jail. Doesn't that make her a murderer too?

Of course, not, you're partisan! Murder is okay if someone you like does it. If someone you don't like does it, they should burn in hell. I understand.


First, you go back to BUSH, how typical of you!

Second, this thread is about Kennedy and Kennedy only! You and Dumbfound HAD to drag Cheney and Bush into it! Typical!

[Slim.fsp]

Kennedy also voted for the Patriot act. Oh I forgot we don't talk about the anti-freedom stances that democratic politicians take when democrats are in control.

[Surfing USA]

Kennedy also voted for the Patriot act. Oh I forgot we don't talk about the anti-freedom stances that democratic politicians take when democrats are in control.http://www.bignews.biz/primages/Obamapoint.jpg
Shame on you!!!

[therising]

nm/nt = never mind, no text
I said something that wasn't very nice and I knew it would anger most of the posters here who, still, glorify liberal politics. :o

So, you deleted it, not because it was a crappy thing to say, but, because you didn't want to anger us libtards?

Please don't patronize us like that. If you wanna say something nasty, it's not us you have to worry about.

[Dumbfounded]

Kennedy also voted for the Patriot act. Oh I forgot we don't talk about the anti-freedom stances that democratic politicians take when democrats are in control.

In no way was Ted Kennedy flawless;He was a maniac when it came to booze and I think that there were allegations of rape in addition to the Mary Jo incident.
Point it, if anyone really wants to look at ONLY the bad things ANYONE has done, in this case politicians
we could really have a lot of fun looking up and listing the KNOWN;Public record BAD THINGS politicians and other famous people have done.

How many actual "saints" do any of us know personally? Not many.

As far as the PUBLIC RECORD of Ted Kennedy's good deeds
versus
the rotten, borderline OR just plain criminal stuff Ted Kennedy did,
his great deeds FAR OUTWEIGH the bad;He HELPED far more than he hurt.
and
how many legislators can we honestly say that about?

Hate to oversimplify this but Chappaquedick(SP) is a RELATIVE joke
compared to:

Lying to the American public about Iraq, sending thousands of our troops to die, get maimed, commit suicide;Cause the deaths of nearly 1 million Iraqi citizens, award multi-billion dollar contracts to war profiteers (in Iraq), use Blackwater, a private mercenary army, ect,
deregulation of major industries
destructive tax cuts for the wealthiest Americans
predatory loan practices
too much to list
Making Ted Kennedy a RELATIVE boy scout compared to the SCUM who have ruined this once great nation.

And at least Teddy Kennedy was fairly OPEN and laughed about his wild partying lifestyle instead of hiding numerous breaches of ethics and a ton of hypocrisy as we've seen so many GOP and Dem freaks caught with.

[FisherRd]

Accomplishments and bills which have helped citizens are pretty much the same thing, big-mouth.





Dummy,
The very first thing on your list of "accomplishments" was something he never was able to do. That, for starters, should tell you that the author of the list is a dumb-ass, just like you.
What did Kennedy do, specifically. I'm not talking about being one vote out of 100, every Senator that hasn't killed somebody has done that. I'm not talking about attempting something and losing, every Senator that hasn't killed somebody has done that. I'm not talking about co-sponsoring something, any Senator that hasn't killed somebody can do that.
What has Ted Kennedy done (besides kill somebody) that any other Democrat or Republican Senator hasn't? What makes him special besides having two brothers that were killed, a rich family, a murder notch on his belt, a rapist for a nephew, a dog amazingly enough named "splash", being thrown out of Harvard for cheating, and a taste for the booze?

[Brandon]

Sponsoring things that never passed isn't an accomplishment. Co-sponsoring isn't an acomplishment. "He saw the..." is meaningless. Anyone in the Senate "saw" the passage of a ton of bills, but how is that an accomplishment?


By that logic, Sarah Palin hasn't done anything.

* She wasn't governor, because she didn't 'accomplish' her entire term.
* Her whole running for VP thing should be discarded because she didn't 'accomplish' becoming VP.

[Surfing USA]

By that logic, Sarah Palin hasn't done anything.

* She wasn't governor, because she didn't 'accomplish' her entire term.
* Her whole running for VP thing should be discarded because she didn't 'accomplish' becoming VP.Honestly, Brandon, does a day go by where you don't mention Bush and Palin? :rolleyes: :p

[Brandon]

First, you go back to BUSH, how typical of you!

Second, this thread is about Kennedy and Kennedy only! You and Dumbfound HAD to drag Cheney and Bush into it! Typical!

I'm just showing the hypocrisy.

[Brandon]

Honestly, Brandon, does a day go by where you don't mention Bush and Palin? :rolleyes: :p

I can't mention the last republican president, and the current republican front-runner to show how hypocritical you conservatives are?

You're saying awful things about Kennedy because he's a democrat, but won't say them about republicans. Seems very suspicious and fishy to me.

[FisherRd]

By that logic, Sarah Palin hasn't done anything.

* She wasn't governor, because she didn't 'accomplish' her entire term.
* Her whole running for VP thing should be discarded because she didn't 'accomplish' becoming VP.

Man, the dumb runs deep in you.

You make stupid statement after stupid statement, never stopping to take note of the fact every stupid statement you make is blown out of the water.

Sarah Palin is a joke. How that in any way, shape, or form makes Ted Kennedy less of a scumbag murderer is beyond me, but simple minds like yours seem to think one has to do with the other.

Please go to whatever school(s) you graduated from and demand your money back.

[FisherRd]

You're saying awful things about Kennedy because he's a democrat, but won't say them about republicans. Seems very suspicious and fishy to me.
As if this even needs to be said...
We're saying awful things about him because he's a murderer.

Honestly, are you really as simple of a fella as you portray here?

[Brandon]

I'm not arguing with any conservatives about the Kennedy drunk-driving incident. I agree what Kennedy did in the drunk-driving incident was disgusting. His father had political and business connections to keep him out of jail.

I also think what Laura Bush did too was disgusting.

I'm not partisan - it's wrong in BOTH cases.

I guess if a registered republican runs over your sons or daughters, it would be okay with you.

That's an odd situation to find yourselves defending.

[Surfing USA]

I can't mention the last republican president, and the current republican front-runner to show how hypocritical you conservatives are?

You're saying awful things about Kennedy because he's a democrat, but won't say them about republicans. Seems very suspicious and fishy to me.
I challenge you to find ONE "awful thing" I've said about Ted Kennedy. Don't bother looking, you won't find anything. ;)

I commented on Cheney gunning down his buddy right within this thread. :rolleyes:

I'm a Conservative? Can you prove that? :p

Your entire post has been discredited. :p :p :p

[Slim.fsp]

In no way was Ted Kennedy flawless;He was a maniac when it came to booze and I think that there were allegations of rape in addition to the Mary Jo incident.
Point it, if anyone really wants to look at ONLY the bad things ANYONE has done, in this case politicians
we could really have a lot of fun looking up and listing the KNOWN;Public record BAD THINGS politicians and other famous people have done.

How many actual "saints" do any of us know personally? Not many.

As far as the PUBLIC RECORD of Ted Kennedy's good deeds
versus
the rotten, borderline OR just plain criminal stuff Ted Kennedy did,
his great deeds FAR OUTWEIGH the bad;He HELPED far more than he hurt.
and
how many legislators can we honestly say that about?

Hate to oversimplify this but Chappaquedick(SP) is a RELATIVE joke
compared to:

Lying to the American public about Iraq, sending thousands of our troops to die, get maimed, commit suicide;Cause the deaths of nearly 1 million Iraqi citizens, award multi-billion dollar contracts to war profiteers (in Iraq), use Blackwater, a private mercenary army, ect,
deregulation of major industries
destructive tax cuts for the wealthiest Americans
predatory loan practices
too much to list
Making Ted Kennedy a RELATIVE boy scout compared to the SCUM who have ruined this once great nation.

And at least Teddy Kennedy was fairly OPEN and laughed about his wild partying lifestyle instead of hiding numerous breaches of ethics and a ton of hypocrisy as we've seen so many GOP and Dem freaks caught with.



Ah yes the lesser of two evils argument the problem with that is that in the end you are still supporting EVIL. Me, I will take the 3rd option and support none.

[Dumbfounded]

Ah yes the lesser of two evils argument the problem with that is that in the end you are still supporting EVIL. Me, I will take the 3rd option and support none.

The intent of this thread is for people to express their thoughts good and/or bad about Ted Kennedy.

Since some people insist on barfing up talking points and taking the easy route
I've listed the good the man has done while admitting that he was like most people FILLED with FAULTS while also trying to give the perspective that Ted Kennedy COMPARED to most U.S. politicians past and present was one of the best, COMPARED TO;RELATIVE TO.

I'm avoiding a purely "black and white" view of the guy.

And yes, when I speak of "people" like Cheney or Rove its nearly impossible for me to look at the black and white because they're pure evil.
Ted Kennedy for his faults did a helluva lot more than over-rated clowns like Harry Reid or Pelosi.

I think that it ticks a lot of people off to see a famous liberal get so much praise and great press after he died because there are some jerks so filled with blind ignorant bitterness that they actually find joy or satisfaction in the death of someone who actually made a very positive difference OVERALL;In the "big picture."

Reagan, an inept murderous arms-dealing war-waging criminal dies and he gets the Pope John Paul II treatment?

[Dougles]

I'm not arguing with any conservatives about the Kennedy drunk-driving incident. I agree what Kennedy did in the drunk-driving incident was disgusting. His father had political and business connections to keep him out of jail.

I also think what Laura Bush did too was disgusting.

I'm not partisan - it's wrong in BOTH cases.

I guess if a registered republican runs over your sons or daughters, it would be okay with you.

That's an odd situation to find yourselves defending.


What's the name and SUBJECT of this thread??

So why are you bringing up anybody but that person???

[Dougles]

The intent of this thread is for people to express their thoughts good and/or bad about Ted Kennedy.



You wanna tell your boy Brandon about this???

[Dumbfounded]

You wanna tell your boy Brandon about this???

He should be objective enough to look at all sides (known) of Ted Kennedy
and make rational statements.

Being a liberal does not mean blindly supporting ALL Dems or Liberals;We're SUPPOSED TO (ideally) judge each other on our actions and inaction(s),
not just think & live by simpleton labels;Easily-recognized names.

For example, John Edwards is pure human garbage and I'm glad as hell that his career never went anywhere;He's bad news, liberal or not.


What ticks me off are those who REFUSE to look at Ted Kennedy's long list of accomplishments while mindlessly repeating his drunk driving and covered-up third degree homocide. Why deny that?
And the rape allegations, the cheating on his wife and so on.

I challenge anyone to name a politician/leader free of ANY major flaws.
Lincoln, FDR, Thomas Jefferson, George Washington and on if you read enough you'll see they had more than THEIR share of faults***

If Brandon does not want to strive for objectivity, that's HIS problem because a close mind can be self-destructive not to mention contribute to delusional states.




***Does not include Pope John Paul II, who from what I can tell was a pretty great person.

[Slim.fsp]

The intent of this thread is for people to express their thoughts good and/or bad about Ted Kennedy.

Since some people insist on barfing up talking points and taking the easy route
I've listed the good the man has done while admitting that he was like most people FILLED with FAULTS while also trying to give the perspective that Ted Kennedy COMPARED to most U.S. politicians past and present was one of the best, COMPARED TO;RELATIVE TO.

I'm avoiding a purely "black and white" view of the guy.

And yes, when I speak of "people" like Cheney or Rove its nearly impossible for me to look at the black and white because they're pure evil.
Ted Kennedy for his faults did a helluva lot more than over-rated clowns like Harry Reid or Pelosi.

I think that it ticks a lot of people off to see a famous liberal get so much praise and great press after he died because there are some jerks so filled with blind ignorant bitterness that they actually find joy or satisfaction in the death of someone who actually made a very positive difference OVERALL;In the "big picture."

Reagan, an inept murderous arms-dealing war-waging criminal dies and he gets the Pope John Paul II treatment?

You say Teddy was positive in the big picture and I say he was just another task master trying to keep us slaves under control, just as Reagan did, just as Carter, just as FDR, just as Hoover, just as Nixon, just as Bush 1 and 2 did, just as Clinton and JFK did.

[Brandon]

If Brandon does not want to strive for objectivity, that's HIS problem because a close mind can be self-destructive not to mention contribute to delusional states.

To say that I'm against objectivity is laughable.

I can see the good and bad of both sides. All I did here was show the hypocrisy in cgoodsp. He thinks Kennedy should burn in hell because of a car accident - while praising republicans who have done the same thing (previously on other posts in the past). Did I defend Kennedy? No. I just pointed out cgoodsp's hypocrisy.

I'm not a puppet for one side or the other. People like cgoodsp are.

[FisherRd]

Brandon,
How hard were you laughing while typing that? I was laughing pretty hard reading it.

[Brandon]

Brandon,
How hard were you laughing while typing that? I was laughing pretty hard reading it.

Knowing that I'm unbiased defeats all your arguments.

Therefore, you choose to believe otherwise.

[Dougles]

Knowing that I'm unbiased defeats all your arguments.



HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHA oh man i almost pissed myself!!

[FisherRd]

Knowing that I'm unbiased defeats all your arguments.

Therefore, you choose to believe otherwise.

Brandon,
With some of the rightwingers around here a monkey could give them a run for their money, yet you continually fall short.
Like hipscat, you wade in the water without knowing how to swim. Your every point gets quashed, and yet you move on to the next dimwitted assertion unfazed.

As far as I can tell, your major bias seems to be against being informed.

[Brandon]

*Sigh*

I wish there was an IQ test to allow entrance to these boards.

I'm about ready to give up here.

[FisherRd]

Look at your posts in this thread alone. Which one made sense? Which one didn't get laughed at and dismissed for stupidity?
Find one. Just one.

[mesue]

So, you deleted it, not because it was a crappy thing to say, but, because you didn't want to anger us libtards?

Please don't patronize us like that. If you wanna say something nasty, it's not us you have to worry about.
It's people like you that I didn't want to hear from in a retort to what I wrote.
I never used the term "libtards" If that is what you choose to refer to yourself as ... well ... I can't help that. I can help you by saying that there are counselors out there that deal with self esteem issues.

[mesue]

...I'm about ready to give up here.
'bout time.

[ILOVEDNY]

you didn't want to anger us libtards?

Admitting you're a libtard is the first step toward recovery.
Congratulations.

[Dumbfounded]

Just listen for a few minutes to this master of propaganda.
If there's a hell, Rush, its waiting for you.



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[mesue]

Admitting you're a libtard is the first step toward recovery.
Congratulations.
http://www.pic4ever.com/images/25r30wi.gif

[mesue]

Just listen for a few minutes to this master of propaganda.
...

I did, what's your problem with it?
So, it's okay to take money from people who work and give it to the people who don't? For anything, and now including healthcare?
Why bother working?
It's okay for a short term, but we're way beyond short term here.

[therising]

Admitting you're a libtard is the first step toward recovery.
Congratulations.

Actually, it's more like not caring what others think of, or label me as.

[mesue]

Actually, it's more like not caring what others think of, or label me as.
you labeled yourself ... just sayin'

[cheekman]

so now the lib demo's are using his death to push obama care. because that is what teddy wanted. dodd was crying on the news already about weeeeee
have to get this done for teddy.

[therising]

I did, what's your problem with it?
So, it's okay to take money from people who work and give it to the people who don't? For anything, and now including healthcare?


This is so funny.

Because as I am reading your post, I am also listening to the Limbaugh clip about Kennedy - and the exact second I read "your" words, "take money from people who work and give it to the people who don't?," Rush is saying the exact same words - verbatim.

And you use the word propaganda with respect to Brandon? :D:D:D

[therising]

you labeled yourself ... just sayin'

I didn't label myself. I've been called a libtard here before. I'm just repeating it.

[Cgoodsp466]

My flag Pole is 42 ft from bottom to top,and tonight I sat out side looknig at old glory at the 42 foot mark. I wont disgrace the old girl by dipping her for some fat drunk. Now Tommorow I am lowereing her to Honor two fire fighters.
I love it the Teddy gets an Honor guard from the five services,and gets in to Arlington. Its a shame the dog face soldier that dies over there gets a plane ride back and may be a bugeler If one is available. Yes sir a great country we live in.

[Surfing USA]

My flag Pole is 42 ft from bottom to top
http://tbn3.google.com/images?q=tbn:VXJHAB6tnG6RsM:http://ml.berkeleyblogs.com/archives/peterboyle.jpg
HOLY CRAP!!! :eek:

Mine's only about ten inches. :p :D :p

[Surfing USA]

*Sigh*

I wish there was an IQ test to allow entrance to these boards.

I'm about ready to give up here.Don't give up, Brandon. You're too much fun. :)

[equinox]

Okay - so, what you're saying is:

If someone kills someone else while drunk - they go to hell.
If someone kills someone else while sober - that's okay.

Nice logic there.

Mr. Kennedy was drunk and involved in something inappropriate with Miss Kopechne. When the accident occurred, he was only concerned about himself and not Miss Kopechne. He fled the scene knowing she was seriously injured. He did not report the accident until nine hours later. This crisis revealed his true character. He only cared about himself. This was not an accident. There was extreme negligence that resulted in someone's death. No person of good character would have behaved the way Mr. Kennedy did. It was an evil act and it is not erased by any perceived good things he may have subsequently done as a politician. None of us is in a position to judge Mr. Kennedy and surmise about the disposition of his mortal soul. But, his legacy is seriously tarnished by any standard. The Kennedy's are not a good family. They are hypocrites. They attained obscene wealth through horribly dishonest means. In my opinion, they do not deserve respect. Not knowing if there is such a thing as Karma, these people seem to be reaping the fruits of their ill gotten gains.

[left wing]

Mr. Kennedy was drunk and involved in something inappropriate with Miss Kopechne. When the accident occurred, he was only concerned about himself and not Miss Kopechne. He fled the scene knowing she was seriously injured. He did not report the accident until nine hours later. This crisis revealed his true character. He only cared about himself. This was not an accident. There was extreme negligence that resulted in someone's death. No person of good character would have behaved the way Mr. Kennedy did. It was an evil act and it is not erased by any perceived good things he may have subsequently done as a politician. None of us is in a position to judge Mr. Kennedy and surmise about the disposition of his mortal soul. But, his legacy is seriously tarnished by any standard. The Kennedy's are not a good family. They are hypocrites. They attained obscene wealth through horribly dishonest means. In my opinion, they do not deserve respect. Not knowing if there is such a thing as Karma, these people seem to be reaping the fruits of their ill gotten gains.


Wow, and I'll bet you think you're a "good Christian", too. Almost anyone who has achieved great wealth has done it through dishonest means - they do it basically by taking advantage of other people. Regardless, it wasn't Ted Kennedy who made all the money. As for his "character", he spent the rest of his life trying to redeem himself. People turn around. George Bush was a real bum, too - and while he overcame the drinking, he never did do anything for his fellow man. It is up to God to make these judgments. Kennedy did a lot of good in his life. All of the Kennedys could have spent their lives sailing on Nantucket Sound and partying. They didn't. They worked hard to make life better for people who had a lot less. Most rich people can't say that.

[Cgoodsp466]

Wow, and I'll bet you think you're a "good Christian", too. Almost anyone who has achieved great wealth has done it through dishonest means - they do it basically by taking advantage of other people. Regardless, it wasn't Ted Kennedy who made all the money. As for his "character", he spent the rest of his life trying to redeem himself. People turn around. George Bush was a real bum, too - and while he overcame the drinking, he never did do anything for his fellow man. It is up to God to make these judgments. Kennedy did a lot of good in his life. All of the Kennedys could have spent their lives sailing on Nantucket Sound and partying. They didn't. They worked hard to make life better for people who had a lot less. Most rich people can't say that.



After reading this it says it all. All rich people got where they got by screwing people? I aint Rich but I sure dont dislike rich people. They creat jobs,kind of like the gubment takes care of you free cheesers. I watched C span last night and watched the Left wingers pass by the holy Grail of gimme. Kind of looked the the canteena scene at Star Wars. Oh yes those Kennedys feel your pain.

[FisherRd]

All of the Kennedys could have spent their lives sailing on Nantucket Sound and partying. They didn't.

Right, but that was before you could get Paris Hilton like attention for being rich and partying. Ted sought the spotlight, he wanted the attention. He was famous because he killed a woman and because of his brother's assassinations.

He was a political celebrity with a paultry few accomplishments over his 47 years, one of which was turning the Supreme Court nominations in to a 3 ring circus.

[Sock Puppet]

They worked hard to make life better for people who had a lot less.
Translation: THEY STOLE money and resources from people THEY deemed to be unworthy and re-distributed it to the people THEY wanted to.

Ted Kennedy was a bastard as a person and a tyrant as an elected official. Any attempt to canonize this rat should be met with harsh resistance.

Rot in hell Ted. Rot in hell.

[Cgoodsp466]

Translation: THEY STOLE money and resources from people THEY deemed to be unworthy and re-distributed it to the people THEY wanted to.

Ted Kennedy was a bastard as a person and a tyrant as an elected official. Any attempt to canonize this rat should be met with harsh resistance.

Rot in hell Ted. Rot in hell.

Excellent post. Oh Remember the Waitress Sandwich Teddy and Chris Dodd.
Oh yes he did so much for womens rights. I hoist a Glass see you in Hell fat ass.

[ILOVEDNY]

so now the lib demo's are using his death to push obama care. because that is what teddy wanted. Dodd was crying on the news already about weeeeee
have to get this done for teddy.

I remember CGoody
Dodd was crying because he can no longer ride Teddys fame to score some poontang.
http://men.style.com/gq/features/full?id=content_5585
It is after midnight and Kennedy and [Senator Chris] Dodd [D-CountryWide] are just finishing up a long dinner in a private room on the first floor of the restaurant’s annex. They are drunk. Their dates, two very young blondes, leave the table to go to the bathroom. (The dates are drunk too. “They’d always get their girls very, very drunk,” says a former Brasserie waitress.) Betty Loh, who served the foursome, also leaves the room. Raymond Campet, the co-owner of La Brasserie, tells Gaviglio the senators want to see her.

As Gaviglio enters the room, the six-foot-two, 225-plus-pound Kennedy grabs the five-foot-three, 103-pound waitress and throws her on the table. She lands on her back, scattering crystal, plates and cutlery and the lit candles. Several glasses and a crystal candlestick are broken. Kennedy then picks her up from the table and throws her on Dodd, who is sprawled in a chair. With Gaviglio on Dodd’s lap, Kennedy jumps on top and begins rubbing his genital area against hers, supporting his weight on the arms of the chair. As he is doing this, Loh enters the room. She and Gaviglio both scream, drawing one or two dishwashers. Startled, Kennedy leaps up. He laughs. Bruised, shaken and angry over what she considered a sexual assault, Gaviglio runs from the room. Kennedy, Dodd and their dates leave shortly thereafter, following a friendly argument between the senators over the check.

Eyewitness Betty Loh told me that Kennedy had “three or four” cocktails in his first half hour at the restaurant and wine with dinner. When she walked into the room after Gaviglio had gone in, she says, “what I saw was Senator Kennedy on top of Carla, who was on top of Senator Dodd’s lap, and the tablecloth was sort of slid off the table ‘cause the table was knocked over—not completely, but just on Senator Dodd’s lap a little bit, and of course the glasses and the candlesticks were totally spilled and everything. And right when I walked in, Senator Kelly jumped off…and he leaped up, composed himself and got up. And Carla jumped up and ran out of the room.”

Read the whole thing for an honest profile of "He did so much for women" Teddy.

[Save Us]

Excellent post. Oh Remember the Waitress Sandwich Teddy and Chris Dodd.
Oh yes he did so much for womens rights. I hoist a Glass see you in Hell fat ass.


I just raised my flagpole 6 feet.:D

Now if Reid, Pelosi and Frank can drop dead we might be ok

[ILOVEDNY]

This isn't an accusation from Ted Kennedy's political opponents, but a nostalgic remembrance by one of his friends. Ed Klein, former Newsweek editor, tells the Diane Rehm Show: "I dont know if you know this, But Kennedy loved to joke about Chappaquiddick."
Comment starts at 40 seconds.

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[left wing]

I am not talking about the "average" well-to-do person. But the big wealth in this country, such as the Kennedy's, the Vanderbilts, the Rockefellers, etc. had, was gotten through exploiting others.

Anyway, I said Ted was no saint. But he spent most of his life trying to help those who had a lot less than he did. Of course, none of you idiots will benefit from that. You sound like a bunch of mean-spirited ya-hoos who begrudge every dime spent on social programs - that is, until YOU need it. And spare me the "I can take care of myself" cowboy horse manure. You never know what is going to happen to you and when you might be the one needing help.

[Dougles]

but Joe Bidden says "he turned all his mistakes into lies".

[Dumbfounded]

Wow, and I'll bet you think you're a "good Christian", too. Almost anyone who has achieved great wealth has done it through dishonest means - they do it basically by taking advantage of other people. Regardless, it wasn't Ted Kennedy who made all the money. As for his "character", he spent the rest of his life trying to redeem himself. People turn around. George Bush was a real bum, too - and while he overcame the drinking, he never did do anything for his fellow man. It is up to God to make these judgments. Kennedy did a lot of good in his life. All of the Kennedys could have spent their lives sailing on Nantucket Sound and partying. They didn't. They worked hard to make life better for people who had a lot less. Most rich people can't say that.

Ted Kennedy's father was evil with a capital "E" and yes what happened to
Miss Kopechne sounds like manslaughter in the second or third degree and it WAS a COWARDLY ACT.
And here's the "but"-BUT Ted Kennedy more-than-made up for this murderous act (that made the news) in his DEEDS not just pompous words as so many politicians do.
Instead of the BS of turning to religion and become another phony;Insincere reborn Christian Ted Kennedy worked like a manic for the common man and that is a matter of public record.

It is also a matter of public record that Ted Kennedy was a boozing, marriage-cheating womanizing maniac too, but again, his deeds more-than made up for his misdeeds and at least Ted Kennedy was not a typical GOP closet pervert.

And of course Bush Jr's grandfather worked DIRECTLY WITH THE NAZIS something covered up by the mainstream media cus George might have had to explain it in the debates and that's not honestly we can live with my friends.

AND YOUR STATEMENT:

"George Bush was a real bum, too - and while he overcame the drinking, he never did do anything for his fellow man."

By his both his actions and inactions Bush Jr. DID to things to his fellow man;HARM. MURDER. BANKRUPTCY. SICKNESS AND DISEASE.


Christ. For all you know the media has covered up RAPES Bush II and other offensives his "crew" and he committed before he was given the Presidency.

Kennedy antics and crimes made the news and it seems as though the Bush family has "magically" kept the really, really bad stuff out of the press because they're just so damned powerful.

So before judging Ted Kennedy with so much media-driven crap,
remember how many skeletons all kinds of celebrities and "common people" have been and are hiding in their closets.

[Cgoodsp466]

I am not talking about the "average" well-to-do person. But the big wealth in this country, such as the Kennedy's, the Vanderbilts, the Rockefellers, etc. had, was gotten through exploiting others.

Anyway, I said Ted was no saint. But he spent most of his life trying to help those who had a lot less than he did. Of course, none of you idiots will benefit from that. You sound like a bunch of mean-spirited ya-hoos who begrudge every dime spent on social programs - that is, until YOU need it. And spare me the "I can take care of myself" cowboy horse manure. You never know what is going to happen to you and when you might be the one needing help.

Make you a deal Judy,I wont help you and I wont ask you to help me.You have done enough to F up my country. Oh and I can take care of myself.

[Dumbfounded]

Make you a deal Judy,I wont help you and I wont ask you to help me.You have done enough to F up my country. Oh and I can take care of myself.

Why did you call him "Judy" instead of "Sally" like you usually call wimpy girlie-men, Csgood?

"Just looking for consistency"***

Tell me, do you think that Teddy Kennedy was a nazi like you think Obama is?
While we're talking nazis, please list the major politicians whom you think are fascists.




***George Carlin, a vile and seditious liberal!

[Cgoodsp466]

Why did you call him "Judy" instead of "Sally" like you usually call wimpy girlie-men, Csgood?

"Just looking for consistency"***

Tell me, do you think that Teddy Kennedy was a nazi like you think Obama is?
While we're talking nazis, please list the major politicians whom you think are fascists.




***George Carlin, a vile and seditious liberal!

Hey little Kim,First of all any one in Gubmnet is a Liear and a theif,only Dems are Nazi like. So kennedy is a dead Nazi so whats your point.I am drinking Irish whiskey today in celebration of the fools death. And as soon as the Next Brave firemans funeral is over the grand old flag goes op another 21and a half feet. Major politician what the hell is a major politician?

[equinox]

The only group of people I am prejudiced against are politicians. They are all awful, not matter what end of the political spectrum they come from. The less time they spend in power, the better for ALL of us. With respect to Mr. Kennedy, I don't comprehend this concept that his so called accomplishments somehow negate the despicable things he has done. He certainly hasn't left an admirable legacy. He was not an intellectual giant. He never worked a day in his life. Pretty much everything was given to him on a silver platter. His family achieved wealth through nefarious means, not from providing some benefit to society in the form of a good product or service. He just does not seem exceptional to me. I doubt than any of us could have gotten off so easy after an incident like Mary Jo Kopechne's death. Any way, they all suck, from Reagan to Kennedy. This thread was a reflection on the life of Ted Kennedy. His actions should be evaluated independent of other people's actions. "Teddy was bad, but so was Bush." That's idiotic. Standards are absolute, not relative.

[Sock Puppet]

I am not talking about the "average" well-to-do person. But the big wealth in this country, such as the Kennedy's, the Vanderbilts, the Rockefellers, etc. had, was gotten through exploiting others.

Anyway, I said Ted was no saint. But he spent most of his life trying to help those who had a lot less than he did. Of course, none of you idiots will benefit from that. You sound like a bunch of mean-spirited ya-hoos who begrudge every dime spent on social programs - that is, until YOU need it. And spare me the "I can take care of myself" cowboy horse manure. You never know what is going to happen to you and when you might be the one needing help.

1. the average person is not 'well to do'.
2. what has changed in terms of big wealth and exploitation?
3. ted helped destroy the middle class with his immigration bill, he is no friend to the middle class.
4. it boils down to morality. answer this question... when is it moral to steal? your answer will reveal your true nature.
5. ted certainly worked hard at his job, but never sacrificed anything personally.

[Sock Puppet]

Tell me, do you think that Teddy Kennedy was a nazi like you think Obama is?
While we're talking nazis, please list the major politicians whom you think are fascists.

Do you believe there is such a thing as a multicultural nationalist socialist that are under the controls of big business?

[Cgoodsp466]

The only group of people I am prejudiced against are politicians. They are all awful, not matter what end of the political spectrum they come from. The less time they spend in power, the better for ALL of us. With respect to Mr. Kennedy, I don't comprehend this concept that his so called accomplishments somehow negate the despicable things he has done. He certainly hasn't left an admirable legacy. He was not an intellectual giant. He never worked a day in his life. Pretty much everything was given to him on a silver platter. His family achieved wealth through nefarious means, not from providing some benefit to society in the form of a good product or service. He just does not seem exceptional to me. I doubt than any of us could have gotten off so easy after an incident like Mary Jo Kopechne's death. Any way, they all suck, from Reagan to Kennedy. This thread was a reflection on the life of Ted Kennedy. His actions should be evaluated independent of other people's actions. "Teddy was bad, but so was Bush." That's idiotic. Standards are absolute, not relative.

I agree with you 100%.I have not ever been able to figure out why people get in to politics? I figure its the tiny wee wwe factor and they are trying to make up fo there lack of self esteem. Any body in politics or running for office I wish you nothing but bad luck every day of your miserable life.

[grump]

Ted kennedy did soooooo much for women, minorities and handicapped people. Let us not forget the Act for disabilities.

He certainly did well by Mary Jo didn't he. Now that he and his drunken wife Joan are both off the scene will Obama have to bail out the liquor industry, too? Call it Teddy's Law?

[Cgoodsp466]

Ted kennedy did soooooo much for women, minorities and handicapped people. Let us not forget the Act for disabilities.

Yes he did the famouse waitress sandwich Him and Chris Dodd.Yes he did a lot to women.

[Save Us]

I am not talking about the "average" well-to-do person. But the big wealth in this country, such as the Kennedy's, the Vanderbilts, the Rockefellers, etc. had, was gotten through exploiting others.

Anyway, I said Ted was no saint. But he spent most of his life trying to help those who had a lot less than he did. Of course, none of you idiots will benefit from that. You sound like a bunch of mean-spirited ya-hoos who begrudge every dime spent on social programs - that is, until YOU need it. And spare me the "I can take care of myself" cowboy horse manure. You never know what is going to happen to you and when you might be the one needing help.

You really need to stop idolizing these self proclaimed false champions of the poor that DO NOT LEAD BY EXAMPLE.

Confusing social programs with an idiot senator shows you are just as guilty of rallying behind such.

[mesue]

This is so funny.

Because as I am reading your post, I am also listening to the Limbaugh clip about Kennedy - and the exact second I read "your" words, "take money from people who work and give it to the people who don't?," Rush is saying the exact same words - verbatim.

yup, I did ask the same question. Care to answer it?

[mesue]

Ted kennedy did soooooo much for women, minorities and handicapped people. Let us not forget the Act for disabilities.
That's one of his "soooooo much " anything else in his 47 years in office?

[Dumbfounded]

That's one of his "soooooo much " anything else in his 47 years in office?

Mesue I posted a list of SOME of Ted Kennedy's MANY REAL accomplishments on this thread which FisherRd in his "genius" spat upon like the "man" he is.

So here it is again just in case you did not bother reading them:



Edited on Wed Aug-26-09 01:26 PM by Lorax7844
From Jezebel.com
http://jezebel.com/5345863/the-lion-sleeps-tonight-ted-...



1) Gender Equity: Kennedy saw the Senate of the Equal Rights Amendment in 1972, which aimed to make men and women equal in the constitution. He reintroduced the legislation again this congressional session, but it has yet to make it into the constitution.

2) Kennnedy championed Title IX of the Civil Rights Act in 1972, which prevented educational institutions from discriminating against women (afterward, colleges and universities integrated, paving the way for women like Sonia Sotomayor and Hillary Clinton to attend Ivy League institutions), as well as requiring equitable athletic opportunities.

3) Civil Rights: Kennedy saw the passage of the Civil Rights Restoration Act of 1988 as committee chairman, which strengthened the Civil Rights Act of 1964. Afterward, then-executive director of the Leadership Council on Civil Rights Ralph Neas said, "Now you see what happens when you have a civil rights champion in charge of the committee."

4) He was also chief sponsor on the Civil Rights Act of 1991, which addressed intentional discrimination and harassment in the workplace. He was also a key sponsor of legislation by the same name in 2008, which sought to restore civil rights protections stripped by Supreme Court rulings in recent years (like the Lilly Ledbetter case).

5) Pay Equity: Kennedy worked on the Fair Pay Restoration Act, which sought to restore the rights of women to sue with each discriminatory paycheck, overturning the Supreme Court ruling in Ledbetter v. Goodyear.

6) Voting Rights: Kennedy worked on the Voting Rights Act of 1965, which allowed equal access to voting as part of the Civil Rights movement. He also worked to add amendments in 1982 that expanded voting access to Native Americans, Latinos, and others who required language assistance.

7) Affirmative Action: Kennedy helped defeat legislation that would have ended federal affirmative action in 1998 and joined his colleagues in the Senate in filing a brief urging the Supreme Court to uphold affirmative action in 2003.

8) LGBT Rights: Kennedy has been the chief sponsor of the Employment Non-Discrimination Act since 1994, which would make it illegal to discriminate on the basis of sexual orientation in the workplace. The bill has yet to pass.

9) Hate Crimes: Kennedy worked on the Matthew Shepard Local Law Enforcement Hate Crimes Prevention Act in 2007, which would implement more severe penalties for crimes against women, gays, lesbians, and transgender persons. The bill was vetoed by President Bush in 2007, but the legislation has been reintroduced in the 110th Congress.

10) HIV/AIDS: Kennedy introduced what became the Ryan White CARE Act, which addressed thirteen cities hit hardest by the HIV/AIDS crisis in 1990. When it was up for reauthorization in 2000, it provided nearly $9 billion in HIV/AIDS services over the following five years.

11) Domestic Violence: Kennedy worked with Vice President Joe Biden on the 1994 Violence Against Women Act. He also worked on its reauthorization in 2000, which allowed immigrant women to apply for permanent status in the United States without their abusive partners.

12) Disability Equity: Kennedy worked to pass the Americans with Disabilities Act in 1990, which provided much-needed accommodations for those with disabilities.

13) Minimum Wage: Kennedy worked with Congress in 2007 to pass the first hike in the minimum wage in more than a decade. Women disproportionately make up the population low-wage hourly workers.

14) Women in Combat: Kennedy championed the repeal a ban of women in combat in 1991. Women are still technically barred from fighting on the "front lines," such stipulations are meaningless in modern combat. By working for legislation that repealed archaic legislation, Kennedy helped women achieve more equality in the military.

15) Military Child Care: In 1989, Kennedy saw the passage of the National Military Child Care Act, which established the Department of Defense's child care program. This allowed working spouses of military members and women who were enlisted themselves to have access to high-quality, federally funded child care.

16) Health Insurance for Children and Pregnant Women: In 1997, Kennedy co-sponsored the State Children's Health Insurance Program (SCHIP), allowing families to have access to health care that previously didn't. Kennedy also introduced legislation that has yet to pass, Affordable Health Care Act, which would expand Medicaid and SCHIP coverage for children, pregnant women, and the disabled.

17) He saw the passage of the Pregnancy Discrimination Act in 1978, which made it illegal for employers to fire women for leave taken due to pregnancy. We still don't require employers to provide paid maternity leave.

18) Minority Health Care: Kennedy championed the The Minority Health and Health Disparities Research and Education Act in 2000, which provided funding for research for how to reduce disparities in cancer, heart disease, HIV/AIDS, diabetes, and other severe health problems that are found to be significantly higher in minority populations. In 2006, he introduced the Minority Health Improvement and Health Disparity Elimination Act, which would address inequalities in health care access and treatment if passed.

19) The Inclusion of Women in Scientific and Medical Research: Kennedy co-sponsored the NIH Revitalization Act of 1993, legislation that called for the inclusion of women and minorities in federally funded clinical research.

[cheekman]

That's one of his "soooooo much " anything else in his 47 years in office?

nope...... at least nothing i would want to read about

[left wing]

Make you a deal Judy,I wont help you and I wont ask you to help me.You have done enough to F up my country. Oh and I can take care of myself.


My greatest fear would be to have to rely on someone like you if I were in need. I have dealt with enough people of your ilk when they - EEK! - fell on hard times and did need help. Then they want the MOON! Stay in your bunker and rot. You are a real idiot if you think there may never come a time in your life when you might need help. How old are you?

[Cgoodsp466]

My greatest fear would be to have to rely on someone like you if I were in need. I have dealt with enough people of your ilk when they - EEK! - fell on hard times and did need help. Then they want the MOON! Stay in your bunker and rot. You are a real idiot if you think there may never come a time in your life when you might need help. How old are you?


I am 60 Judy. I will never ask the likes of you to do anything for me.I guess I will get old and die alone but guess what thats my choice. Its not the Gubments. I live my life this way, I dont ask for more then I need ! So tell me Judy how old are you? And why do you need the Gubment in your life? And the final question why should I pay for wht ever you and the rest of the left want? Now this being said Its 0834 and I am having my coffee with a shot of Jamison in it Just fired up my morning pipe and plan on having a swell day. So bite me. "How come we dont have finger Icon"? I sure would use it now.

[Sock Puppet]

My greatest fear would be to have to rely on someone like you if I were in need.

Then don't rely on other people if it makes you scared. ****ing grow a set you leech.

[left wing]

I am 60 Judy. I will never ask the likes of you to do anything for me.I guess I will get old and die alone but guess what thats my choice. Its not the Gubments. I live my life this way, I dont ask for more then I need ! So tell me Judy how old are you? And why do you need the Gubment in your life? And the final question why should I pay for wht ever you and the rest of the left want? Now this being said Its 0834 and I am having my coffee with a shot of Jamison in it Just fired up my morning pipe and plan on having a swell day. So bite me. "How come we dont have finger Icon"? I sure would use it now.

I am 61, smartass. And I suppose you won't be applying for social security and Medicare, since that would be letting the government into your life. And don't give me the crap about how you paid for it. You didn't pay in nearly as much as it will cost the kids today to TAKE CARE OF YOU for the rest of your worthless life. But I am sure you have tons of money squirreled away to take care of you and pay your medical bills for as long as you may haunt the earth. May you live a long time.

If that empty way (and end) of life is what you want, I hope you get it. Doesn't sound like it would be out of your reach.

Using the finger isn't my style but I would be happy to make an exception in your case.

How did you know my name is Judy?

[left wing]

Then don't rely on other people if it makes you scared. ****ing grow a set you leech.


Jeez, I have never relied on the government in my life. Although, I do expect to collect social security and Medicare. Are you not going to do that? I hope not, given how you don't want the government in your life. But in addition to those, I am quite well set, thank you., and can afford to continue my lifestyle in retirement. But I am not so stupid as to think it could never happen to me. It can happen to ANYBODY.

Do you hunt for all your food and live in the woods, too?

[Cgoodsp466]

I am 61, smartass. And I suppose you won't be applying for social security and Medicare, since that would be letting the government into your life. And don't give me the crap about how you paid for it. You didn't pay in nearly as much as it will cost the kids today to TAKE CARE OF YOU for the rest of your worthless life. But I am sure you have tons of money squirreled away to take care of you and pay your medical bills for as long as you may haunt the earth. May you live a long time.

If that empty way (and end) of life is what you want, I hope you get it. Doesn't sound like it would be out of your reach.

Using the finger isn't my style but I would be happy to make an exception in your case.

How did you know my name is Judy?

Judy I have sources. I am not filing for social security untill I am 66 becuase then I can make as much as I want and not loose any of the doe I put in all my life. Now Judy I am self employed and my retirement is from my 401 k wich is a 20.5 right now. In fact I might wait untill I am 70 if I live that long.
So you and the rest of the Obama Nation have a swell time just leave me out of it. I only ask for what I need no more no less. I thank God every day that I came form good stock who made things happen and did not wait for the Gubment to make there life better.

[Save Us]

. You didn't pay in nearly as much as it will cost the kids today to TAKE CARE OF YOU
?


Yes, and increasing the funding of social programs going into trillions of dollars of debt will guarantee they will be shackled for decades.

As if the yoke of NY has taught you nothing as your children move away to find employment.

Do you have grandchildren?

[Sock Puppet]

I am not so stupid as to think it could never happen to me. It can happen to ANYBODY.

So when 'bad' things happen, that gives someone the right to steal from other people?

You have a black man's morality. Seriously.

[Cgoodsp466]

This pisses me off: Dignitaries say their final farewells to Sen. Edward Kennedy, remembering how he touched their lives.

What makes these pompus asses Dignitaries? They hold an office that the A hole voters gave them? They managed to pull the biggest scam in the History of the world? Bull crap,these miserable pieces of crap are no better then we are,they put there pants on the way you and I do. And as Teddy found out being a Dignitarie could not keep the grim reaper away. So to all the Dignitaries kiss my ass and burn in hell.
Oh please one of you left wing groupies tell me where I am wrong?

[cheekman]

kenndy pushed for health care reform in his state of mass. so everyone has it all families poor welfare, etc..... now that system is broke in that state. this is the same kind of health care reform he wanted wants for the country. but everyone thought this guy was great.

[Surfing USA]

This pisses me off: Dignitaries say their final farewells to Sen. Edward Kennedy, remembering how he touched their lives.
How about the toddlers that said their farewells to Michael Jackson, remembering how he "touched" their pee-pees? :eek:

[Ragin]

This pisses me off: Dignitaries say their final farewells to Sen. Edward Kennedy, remembering how he touched their lives.

What makes these pompus asses Dignitaries?

They answered the ad in the Classifieds ..

"Even YOU can be a Dignitary.
Call: 1-800-POMP-ASS for more information"

:D :D

[equinox]

Was not Mr. Kennedy a divorced and re-married Catholic? What is the ruling on this? Would not his participation in church ceremonies be limited? Why is the Church permitting the Prayer of the Faithful to be turned into a political statement? Are we witnessing hypocrisy in the Catholic Church here? Or is all this Kosher? If I got divorced and re-married and was resonsible for the death of an innocent woman, could I still get the honor of the Mass of Christian burial in the Catholic Church?

[Surfing USA]

Maybe he "confessed." :p :D :p

http://tbn3.google.com/images?q=tbn:t0dzvopgCppFAM:http://blog.ancient-future.net/uploaded_images/Catholic-Simpsons-785947.jpg

[Ragin]

Maybe he "confessed." :p :D :p

http://tbn3.google.com/images?q=tbn:t0dzvopgCppFAM:http://blog.ancient-future.net/uploaded_images/Catholic-Simpsons-785947.jpg

and did penance ...

10 Hail Mary's ... and .... 3 Our Fathers

;):p:D

[therising]

yup, I did ask the same question. Care to answer it?

I found it odd that you would say:

So, it's okay to take money from people who work and give it to the people who don't? For anything, and now including healthcare?

The reason I found it odd is because, as you've told us in the past, you are a former welfare recipient.
So...when you were in need, you took.
But, now that you're in a better position, you don't want to give.

Too bad you didn't have those same principles way back when.

[mesue]

I found it odd that you would say:



The reason I found it odd is because, as you've told us in the past, you are a former welfare recipient.
So...when you were in need, you took.
But, now that you're in a better position, you don't want to give.

Too bad you didn't have those same principles way back when.
I was, for 3 years. before that I had nothing but plasma to sell for food. Now I contribute, for 22 years. I do give, more than taxes and way more than you'll ever know.
So, yeah, I can talk.

[Surfing USA]

...before that I had nothing but plasma to sell for food....How ironic.

Now, people use their food stamps to purchase plasma TV's. :p :D :p

[mesue]

How ironic.

Now, people use their food stamps to purchase plasma TV's. :p :D :p
Or just wait for school to start :p

[equinox]

I just found out that Ted's marriage to Joan was annulled by the Catholic Church. They were married for MANY years and had multiple children. It is pure B.S. The Catholic Church is so corrupt. You can buy an annulment if you are rich and influential enough. The Church doesn't have the integrity to follow its own rules. This is why the Church is dying. Catholics should be outraged at this spectacle.

[therising]

I was, for 3 years. before that I had nothing but plasma to sell for food. Now I contribute, for 22 years. I do give, more than taxes and way more than you'll ever know.
So, yeah, I can talk.

Point being, when you needed for those three years, you took from the rest of us taxpayers. But, now that you have your act together, you complain about reciprocating.

In my opinion, anyone who was on welfare for 3 years, is a hypocrite if they complain about the high cost of social programs afterward. And, that's painfully obvious, so I'm really not stating anything earth shattering here.

WWJD?

[Dumbfounded]

I just found out that Ted's marriage to Joan was annulled by the Catholic Church. They were married for MANY years and had multiple children. It is pure B.S. The Catholic Church is so corrupt. You can buy an annulment if you are rich and influential enough. The Church doesn't have the integrity to follow its own rules. This is why the Church is dying. Catholics should be outraged at this spectacle.

And Catholics (and everyone else) should be outraged at the Catholic Church's KNOWN ASSETS in real estate and other venues-ALL TAX FREE!

Never understood last rites in which say a guy who killed a few thousand people gets a "get out of Hell card" from a priest and the slimy scum goes straight to Heaven (don't believe in it, just more hypocrisy).

The Catholic church does a GOOD job helping the poor but no where NEAR what they'd be ABLE to do WHILE keeping their hundred-billion plus net worth (probably much more).


No denying that Ted Kennedy did some really awful things including manslaughter (that we KNOW of) but as I wrote before, the scales are MORE-THAN-BALANCED for the bills he passed and helped to pass that have HELPED MILLIONS OF AMERICANS.

Wonder what your average Catholic Priest would say regarding how Mary Jo would feel about Kennedy outliving her so long and "if he should be forgiven?"

And NOT to downplay Kennedy's drunken manslaughter, ending an innocent young life, compared to most of the sleazebags out there many revered as "great men" and "heroes," Kennedy was a good man.



I invite ANYONE reading this to state that Dick Cheney (for example) is a greater man than Ted Kennedy was, that Cheney did more while President for Americans and minorities, the sick and poor, the unions than Teddy Kennedy did in 47 years of serving-TRULY serving his employers unlike MOST of the turncoat scum in office.

It ALSO helped that Kennedy came from VERY BIG MONEY which helped him spit in the face of the lobbyists and other special interest groups whose fiscal goals conflict with 99% of America.

For all we know if Ted Kennedy DID NOT come from HUGE MONEY,
he very well might have been just another bribe-taking, lobbyist-loving thief,
like most of our elected representatives who have more conflicts of interest than they can count.


The above post is an example of my ATTEMPT at "fair and balanced" because I'm MORE-THAN-WILLING to look at Ted Kennedy's as a man, a flawed person like the rest of us.

If T. Kennedy has hero status, its not media-hyped crap;He EARNED IT.

[equinox]

Moral relativism is really abhorrent. Life simply does not work that way. You can't make up for bad things by doing good things. I'm not saying that redemption is not possible. Ted Kennedy did not have the integrity we should demand for our leaders. He should have admitted that he did not deserve to lead others after his involvement with Mary Jo Kopechne. After resigning, he could have actually worked to rehabilitate himself. He should have rejected his family's ill-gotten gains and the advantages it gave him. He could have worked and sacrificed on his own merits to fight for the reform he wanted. It is respectable to risk your own resources and security, something Mr. Kennedy never did...that's why I don't admire him. I have far more respect for local grass-roots reformers who risk everything for what they believe in, whether I agree with them or not. Kennedy led from on high.
You know I heard him say that the cause of his life was decent health care as a right, not a privilege. We already have that. Doctors cannot refuse to treat patients. Decent health care for those who can't afford it. What does that mean. What is "decent" health care? How do we know what people can "afford"?

[mesue]

... WWJD?
You tell me.

[Dumbfounded]

Moral relativism is really abhorrent. Life simply does not work that way. You can't make up for bad things by doing good things


If you're referring to violent prisoners who "find Jesus" while incarcerated and actually DO GOOD in and out of prison, that does not make up for jack.

A SENATOR, especially a dedicated, hard-working Senator IS in the position to DO tremendous amounts of good;To literally change the lives of millions "for better or worse" and Ted Kennedy DID change millions of lives for the BETTER.

And as abhorrent as moral relativism may be to you, there are exceptions to the rule of "making up for wrongdoing" in one's life.








. I'm not saying that redemption is not possible. Ted Kennedy did not have the integrity we should demand for our leaders. He should have admitted that he did not deserve to lead others after his involvement with Mary Jo Kopechne. After resigning, he could have actually worked to rehabilitate himself.


He should have rejected his family's ill-gotten gains and the advantages it gave him. He could have worked and sacrificed on his own merits to fight for the reform he wanted. It is respectable to risk your own resources and security, something Mr. Kennedy never did...



If you're talking about a wealthy person who could put their vast fortune to help the public good, let's start say with Rupert Murdoch who through his vast media empire has continually lied to the public on the neo conservative platform, actually instructing his TV, paper and radio acolytes to give the public information which has USUALLY BEEN watered-down ommissions and outright lies.
Yes. Let Rupert Murdoch make amends.
Then we can move onto the enormous Bush family fortune to make up for BOTH President's butchery.
And Dick Cheney is worth tens-of-millions or more. He can make up for some of the suffering he's contributed to as could
Rush Limbaugh, worth HUNDREDS-OF-MILLIONS and could easily ease suffering for many of the "common people."
Why, Rush could donate tens-of-millions to Habitat For Humanity in between Oxycontin doses.
And



That's why I don't admire him. I have far more respect for local grass-roots reformers who risk everything for what they believe in, whether I agree with them or not. Kennedy led from on high.



You know I heard him say that the cause of his life was decent health care as a right, not a privilege. We already have that. Doctors cannot refuse to treat patients. Decent health care for those who can't afford it. What does that mean. What is "decent" health care? How do we know what people can "afford"?



If the United States can not adopt a nice version of what 35 nations have done for their citizen's health care, we're going to have to be honest for once and admit that we're FAR from being the best country in the world and haven't been in decades and its patriotic TO say this BECAUSE I care about my country, not like these freaks screaming, "I wan't my country back" otherwise known as "I want my intelligence back!"

"What is decent health care?"

Gee. Maybe something that will cover EVERYONE while increasing the QUALITY of care,
ALLOWING ALL employers to afford health insurance for their workers-
In the short and long (not too long) run,
EVERYONE WINS in the proposed health care bill.

Problem is the scummy media obfuscating;Confusing and frightening viewers, readers and listeners as they struggle to take sides based on FAULTY INFORMATION and in a REAL "liberal media" this issue would have been solved decades ago, we would not be having a universal health care debate and we'd be worrying about something else of importance.





Remember that 99% of the WORLD'S pharmaceuticals, medical supply, diagnostic manufacturers, the biggest & most powerful medical associations and of course the most POWERFUL health insurance companies in the WORLD just "happen" to be based here, in America where "they" are doing anything and everything possible to defeat this health care bill as they defeated the Clinton's and every other one before that.

Ask those in other nations how they fell about "supporting leeches, bums and lazy animals" in their health care system;You don't hear about this because under MOST of these systems EVERYONE WINS. Including the physicians and hospitals.


All this writing for basically nothing. Same can be said to write emails to Congressmen & Senators who are against the bill.
The lobbyists have already deposited their offshore (or hidden U.S.) bribes.

[FisherRd]

Mesue I posted a list of SOME of Ted Kennedy's MANY REAL accomplishments on this thread which FisherRd in his "genius" spat upon like the "man" he is.




You ran away when it was pointed out that #1 isn't an accomplishment. You also seem to think "Co-sponsoring" is an accomplishment.
Anyone that didn't murder somebody can co-sponsor something.

You still have no idea what any of the things you stole from somebody else even mean. You just assumed because somebody else put numbers in front of them that they're accomplishments.

Pretend as though what you listed actually meant something (for the record, it doesn't, but pretend)...Does that look like an impressive list for 47 years on the Senate? Yeah, I didn't think it did either.

Try again.

[Mr. Lackawanna]

The State of Massachusetts will have a special law passed so they don't have to wait 140 days to appoint another liberal Senator. That way the US Senate will be filibuster proof.
:mad:

As I posted the above earlier. Today I heard that my prediction is coming true.

The Governor of Massachusetts is going to ask the state politicians to change the law so they can appoint a Senator now. (Democrats don't want to loose their power in the US senate.)

As I heard on Fox News today. The law the Democrats in Massachusetts want to change is the same law they passed when Senator Kerry was ruining for President and Democrats in Massachusetts did not want the Governor who was a Republican at that time to be able to appoint a Republican as a Senator in the case that Kerry won the Presidency.

[Cgoodsp466]

As I posted the above earlier. Today I heard that my prediction is coming true.

The Governor of Massachusetts is going to ask the state politicians to change the law so they can appoint a Senator now. (Democrats don't want to loose their power in the US senate.)

As I heard on Fox News today. The law the Democrats in Massachusetts want to change is the same law they passed when Senator Kerry was ruining for President and Democrats in Massachusetts did not want the Governor who was a Republican at that time to be able to appoint a Republican as a Senator in the case that Kerry won the Presidency.

This is why these people are the enemy.

[DelawareDistrict]

Point being, when you needed for those three years, you took from the rest of us taxpayers. But, now that you have your act together, you complain about reciprocating.

In my opinion, anyone who was on welfare for 3 years, is a hypocrite if they complain about the high cost of social programs afterward. And, that's painfully obvious, so I'm really not stating anything earth shattering here.

WWJD?
That statement isn't quite logical when you consider that people are forced to live in a system where the government squanders what could be job creating resources on programs like welfare. Welfare is a self-perpetuating program that traps many people in poverty because of the resources consumed to sustain it.

[therising]

That statement isn't quite logical when you consider that people are forced to live in a system where the government squanders what could be job creating resources on programs like welfare. Welfare is a self-perpetuating program that traps many people in poverty because of the resources consumed to sustain it.

DD - You and I have discussed welfare in person before. If I remember correctly, you feel that it should be left to the community - churches, non-profits, etc, to care for the needy. I understand that concept.

But I wasn't arguing the merits of welfare; I was arguing the hypocrisy of someone who accepts welfare for three years, and, then later complains that their tax dollars are being taken from you by those who don't work.

[Eat My Gun]

I was arguing the hypocrisy of someone who accepts welfare for three years, and, then later complains that their tax dollars are being taken from you by those who don't work.

I don't agree with you much (ever?) but that is total hypocrisy...

[DelawareDistrict]

DD - You and I have discussed welfare in person before. If I remember correctly, you feel that it should be left to the community - churches, non-profits, etc, to care for the needy. I understand that concept.

But I wasn't arguing the merits of welfare; I was arguing the hypocrisy of someone who accepts welfare for three years, and, then later complains that their tax dollars are being taken from you by those who don't work.

My point is that people forced to live under a system with tax financed welfare are both victims if they collect it and if they are taxed for it. There is no hypocrisy because she had to choice. The system itself increases the chances that one might "need" welfare by draining private resources.

[mesue]

DD - You and I have discussed welfare in person before. If I remember correctly, you feel that it should be left to the community - churches, non-profits, etc, to care for the needy. I understand that concept.

But I wasn't arguing the merits of welfare; I was arguing the hypocrisy of someone who accepts welfare for three years, and, then later complains that their tax dollars are being taken from you by those who don't work.
do you accept you income tax refund?

[Save Us]

maybe if the government here created jobs instead of perpetuating welfare needy and political machinery,, less would be on welfare.



Taxpayers get squeezed from the top PUS

and the bottom those people that depend on government help.


In the end you can only squeeze so much as it all adds up.

[Dougles]

DD - You and I have discussed welfare in person before. If I remember correctly, you feel that it should be left to the community - churches, non-profits, etc, to care for the needy. I understand that concept.

But I wasn't arguing the merits of welfare; I was arguing the hypocrisy of someone who accepts welfare for three years, and, then later complains that their tax dollars are being taken from you by those who don't work.

She does have a point, in NYS, their are no limits and their are a big % of people who spend a life time on the dole. But your right she is hypocritical is bashing welfare in general after she recieved it. If she had made comments to the extent that their are no limits and time frames then she could bitch all she wants.

I think welfares in NYS is a joke and a shame! But i'll be up front i have accepted govt monies in the form of loans and grants (staford loans and TAP). Of which i have to pay the loans back with interest and with TAP, i can justify the $500 grant considering i had paid over $2000 in NYS taxes before i was 17!

[mesue]

yeah ... I'm a hypocit ... blah, blah, blah ...
so? what?

[Dougles]

yeah ... I'm a hypocit ... blah, blah, blah ...
so? what?

i dont' think you are, but the way you worded it came off that way. I personally believe you'd done more good for your community that 50% of the people on welfare in the city combined. You just have to watch how you put it!;)

[Eat My Gun]

maybe if the government here created jobs instead of perpetuating welfare needy and political machinery,, less would be on welfare.



The idea that governments create jobs is, sadly, nothing more than a widely accepted myth...

[Eat My Gun]

yeah ... I'm a hypocit ... blah, blah, blah ...
so? what?

So pay back the money you got while you were on the dole, then you can start bitching about welfare....

[mesue]

So pay back the money you got while you were on the dole, then you can start bitching about welfare....
I did pay it back, I pay my taxes, both property and income (sales tax too) way more that the $14,000 I received.
I tithe my income, a real tithe and not some cheap once a year Christmas gift either. I also gift my income. I volunteer for many things. My debt is paid. Paid in full. Don't like it? TFB.
This is the USA, I'll bitch about what I want when I want.
At least until the constitutional law is changed by Obama. Then I'll continue to bitch from jail.

[mesue]

i dont' think you are, but the way you worded it came off that way. I personally believe you'd done more good for your community that 50% of the people on welfare in the city combined. You just have to watch how you put it!;)
Thank you. :)
I'm not against welfare. I'm against life time, able bodied people collecting welfare. We should help people who, for whatever reason, are down on their luck. But there should be a limit. However long it takes to get someone trained and get back to work. I say give the person everything they need to get there during that time period. 5 years max. That should be plenty of time to get someone on their feet and working. But to perpetuate this entitled notion that one should stay on it for life is plain ridiculous.

[Eat My Gun]

I did pay it back, I pay my taxes, both property and income (sales tax too) way more that the $14,000 I received.
I tithe my income, a real tithe and not some cheap once a year Christmas gift either. I also gift my income. I volunteer for many things. My debt is paid. Paid in full. Don't like it? TFB.
This is the USA, I'll bitch about what I want when I want.
At least until the constitutional law is changed by Obama. Then I'll continue to bitch from jail.

That's $14,000 more than the rest of us got and we pay the same taxes as you...

[therising]

do you accept you income tax refund?

It's probably been at least 8 or 9 years since I've gotten a refund. But, of course I would accept it.

How is that relative to the discussion? :confused:

[Dougles]

It's probably been at least 8 or 9 years since I've gotten a refund. But, of course I would accept it.

How is that relative to the discussion? :confused:

I think her point is that she's put money in (taxes paid) and their for she should get some back. Just like over paying your taxes and getting a refund.

[therising]

My point is that people forced to live under a system with tax financed welfare are both victims if they collect it and if they are taxed for it.

OK, I believe you.

People who receive welfare are victims.
And, those who are forced to pay into it, are also victims.

We're all just a bunch of poor victims, aren't we? Everyone's a victim, except for those who drop out of society, and live in the woods.

How do you function with that mentality?

[therising]

I think her point is that she's put money in (taxes paid) and their for she should get some back. Just like over paying your taxes and getting a refund.

Yeah, I know that's where she was getting, I just wanted to see if she would actually come out and say it.

Are you saying you agree with that stance? Do you agree that that overpaying taxes, and, accordingly, getting a refund, is the same as collecting welfare? :confused:

[Dougles]

Yeah, I know that's where she was getting, I just wanted to see if she would actually come out and say it.

Are you saying you agree with that stance? Do you agree that that overpaying taxes, and, accordingly, getting a refund, is the same as collecting welfare? :confused:

no i never said that! but i do believe if you are part of the 40% of the population that pays more than you recieve, then if something does happen you shouldn't feel guilty about accepting some help.

[therising]

no i never said that! but i do believe if you are part of the 40% of the population that pays more than you recieve, then if something does happen you shouldn't feel guilty about accepting some help.

I agree with you there - no one needs to feel guilt about accepting help.
But, maybe, they should feel guilt about not wanting to reciprocate later on.

[Dougles]

But, maybe, they should [/I]feel guilt about not wanting to reciprocate later on.

If your part of that top 40% and their part of the bottom 40% you don't have to feel guilty at all, the middle 20% is another story!

[therising]

If your part of that top 40% and their part of the bottom 40% you don't have to feel guilty at all, the middle 20% is another story!

I'm sorry I'm not following you - top 40%, bottom 40%? Do you mean income-wise?

[Dougles]

I'm sorry I'm not following you - top 40%, bottom 40%? Do you mean income-wise?

correct, the top 40% pay more in taxes then they recieve in services, the bottom 40% don't pay any income taxes and are more likely to be living off the "dole".

[therising]

Dougles - then I don't get why you said this:

If your part of that top 40% and their part of the bottom 40% you don't have to feel guilty at all, the middle 20% is another story!

Maybe you were being facetious, and it just went over my head?

[Save Us]

The idea that governments create jobs is, sadly, nothing more than a widely accepted myth...

No, the government does a great job of creating government jobs,, which in turn generate nothing,

As you well know,, we are public serviced to death here in NY,, or the rest of the country is failing, impoverished, and bankrupt.;)

Ultimately as long as the US and the rest of the world offer haven to those that do not work or those that work hard we all have a choice...I doubt NY and its populace will ever be able to escape from PUS.

[Save Us]

Dougles - then I don't get why you said this:



Maybe you were being facetious, and it just went over my head?

It is all just a matter of degree....if you are a working stiff in the private sector...

It really comes down to how much of your salary 25% 50%, 70%, etc are you personally willing to pay for your vernacular societal obligation.

Which on the other side should there be a cap on what someone in the private sector should earn...say carpenter 50 k, doctor 150 k,

Not sure this contributes to the latest discussion but then again I am a bottom line type of person..

[therising]

Which on the other side should there be a cap on what someone in the private sector should earn...say carpenter 50 k, doctor 150 k,
.

Why should there be a cap on what anyone in the private sector makes?

[Dougles]

Dougles - then I don't get why you said this:



Maybe you were being facetious, and it just went over my head?


If I made 70K a year (part of the top 40%), paid income tax, prop tax and was never late and i was fired i think you should have the right to get some help without feeling guilty.

however if i dropped out of HS, work a $10 an hour job I shouldn't be eligable for one cent in help! People shouldn't be allowed to take more out then they put in!

[Dougles]

Why should there be a cap on what anyone in the private sector makes?

Why don't you ask Obama? (ie pay CZAR)

I don't think their should ever be a cap on what a private citizen can make, now anyone who works "for" the taxpayer is a another topic. No one who works for "us" should be making what most of them make!

[Save Us]

Why should there be a cap on what anyone in the private sector makes?

I was being cheeky,,,

So a good question is....how much would you have taken out of your paycheck to help people.....percentage wise? Anyone can become insane...it is just a matter of tipping point.
So a liberal can be made into a fiscal conservative...when you say enough is enough.

Kind of a cap if you think about it.

[Truthdetector]

*Sigh*

I wish there was an IQ test to allow entrance to these boards.

I'm about ready to give up here.

all talk..................