Hey You almost got invaded

[Cgoodsp466]

I see that GW had plans on sending troops after Lackawanas finest.

Report: Bush mulled sending troops into Buffalo

WASHINGTON – The Bush administration in 2002 considered sending U.S. troops into a Buffalo, N.Y., suburb to arrest a group of terror suspects in what would have been a nearly unprecedented use of military power, The New York Times reported.

Vice President Dick Cheney and several other Bush advisers at the time strongly urged that the military be used to apprehend men who were suspected of plotting with al Qaida, who later became known as the Lackawanna Six, the Times reported on its Web site Friday night. It cited former administration officials who spoke on condition of anonymity.

The proposal advanced to at least one-high level administration meeting, before President George W. Bush decided against it.

Dispatching troops into the streets is virtually unheard of. The Constitution and various laws restrict the military from being used to conduct domestic raids and seize property.

According to the Times, Cheney and other Bush aides said an Oct. 23, 2001, Justice Department memo gave broad presidential authority that allowed Bush to use the domestic use of the military against al-Qaida if it was justified on the grounds of national security, rather than law enforcement.

Among those arguing for the military use besides Cheney were his legal adviser David S. Addington and some senior Defense Department officials, the Times reported.

Opposing the idea were Condoleezza Rice, then the national security adviser; John B. Bellinger III, the top lawyer at the National Security Council; FBI Director Robert S. Mueller III; and Michael Chertoff, then the head of the Justice Department's criminal division.

Bush ultimately nixed the proposal and ordered the FBI to make the arrests in Lackawanna. The men were subsequently arrested and pleaded guilty to terrorism-related charges.

Scott L. Silliman, a Duke University law professor specializing in national security law, told the Times that a U.S. president had not deployed the active-duty military on domestic soil in a law enforcement capacity, without specific statutory authority, since the Civil War.


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[runningdownadream]

W wasn't going to invade it was Cheney. W stopped him reread the article.

[DomesticatedFeminist]

do you have a link? It's not that I don't believe you I just want to goto the site and read this

[Cgoodsp466]

do you have a link? It's not that I don't believe you I just want to goto the site and read this



Here ya go its in todays News also

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090725/ap_on_go_pr_wh/us_terror_domestic_raid

[Cgoodsp466]

W wasn't going to invade it was Cheney. W stopped him reread the article.

Make no Difference the Burka wearers almost got there asses kicked.

[Dumbfounded]

Is anybody listening?

If-IF Cheney got his way and we had U.S. troops apprehending the Lackawana Six, legal or not it would have set a precedent probably resulting in a Constitutional Amendment to MAKE it legal to dispatch our military at the President's whim (Cheney's).

There is no way in hell that Dick Cheney did NOT know that this action was unconstitutional as Bush Jr. and him repeatedly showed contempt for the law in the form of Bush's signing statements in addition to invading a soveirgn nation with NO evidence, thank you Mr. Powell making HUGE books from book deals and tours.

Jesus. The United States army apprehending six clowns that the FBI did a SUPERB job of doing?!

Can you picture this army raid on TV? Talk about using FEAR to keep the population in control?

Seeing a couple hundred U.S. military in the streets would have made a LOT of citizens wet their pants!

What bites is that IF Cheney's unconstitutional military raid DID go through-
They WOULD have gotten away with that (precedent) as they did with the rest of the crimes they rubbed the public's face in.

And the super-scummy media would have somehow justified this action.

[tiredofbs]

Lackawanna was not almost invaded.

Sending the military to arrest a group of terror suspects was not Lackawanna being invaded. The reason the military was considered was because it was a matter of national security.

[Dumbfounded]

Lackawanna was not almost invaded.

Sending the military to arrest a group of terror suspects was not Lackawanna being invaded. The reason the military was considered was because it was a matter of national security.

After I read that Dick Cheney wanted tanks and heavily armed troops in the streets for reasons of "national security" I was not surprised given Cheney's shameful history of lying and cheating to get his way no matter who suffers.

I wonder if any other VP in history approached Dick Cheney's control of the nation?

I know that once Ronald Reagan began exhibiting symptoms of Alzheimer's that the VP took over many of his duties, but Cheney? WOW.
That guy scares the HELL out of me.

And the FBI & other law enforcement did an outstanding job*** of handling this VERY over-rated raid;They NEVER needed the army because these six clowns were under heavy surveillance and those handling the case KNEW that they didn't have an arsenal or WMDS or silos with nukes on their lawn and other scary things.

I do not even want to IMAGINE the things we have not nor ever will hear of that Dick Cheney WANTED to do to the country.
Its the stuff of nightmares.

***Credit must be given where its due...

[Cgoodsp466]

Lackawanna was not almost invaded.

Sending the military to arrest a group of terror suspects was not Lackawanna being invaded. The reason the military was considered was because it was a matter of national security.

I want to know how all those clowns settled in Lackawana any way

[runningdownadream]

Very overated raid,I don't think so.

[runningdownadream]

Very overated raid,I don't think so. Feds were justified in doing what they did to close this chapter in Lackawanna's history. By the way the one on the loose in Yemen always used to talk crap about the USA back when I was in high school with him.

[tiredofbs]

I want to know how all those clowns settled in Lackawana any way

I believe we would all like to know the answer to that. Sad thing is they were American born. Myself, family and friends were very upset about it. No true American wants that going on in their neck of the woods. Back when it happened many Lackawanna citizens boycotted businesses operated by members of that race.

[tiredofbs]

Very overated raid,I don't think so. Feds were justified in doing what they did to close this chapter in Lackawanna's history. By the way the one on the loose in Yemen always used to talk crap about the USA back when I was in high school with him.

Absolutely the Feds were justified. It was a matter of national security.

[Cgoodsp466]

I believe we would all like to know the answer to that. Sad thing is they were American born. Myself, family and friends were very upset about it. No true American wants that going on in their neck of the woods. Back when it happened many Lackawanna citizens boycotted businesses operated by members of that race.


I still do.

[runningdownadream]

I want to know how all those clowns settled in Lackawana any way

How did all the Polish,Irish or Germans for that matter? What difference does it make.

[Cgoodsp466]

How did all the Polish,Irish or Germans for that matter? What difference does it make.

It makes a big difference,How many Irish Polish or Germans flew planes it to the world trade center. Are you defending those muslims?

[runningdownadream]

It makes a big difference,How many Irish Polish or Germans flew planes it to the world trade center. Are you defending those muslims?

No one from Lackawanna flew the planes into the world trade center. What do u want to do make a camp for them like we did to the Japanese during WW2. Immigration has always been here get over it. I'm not defending the terrorist but the regular ones I do not have a problem with.

[Cgoodsp466]

No one from Lackawanna flew the planes into the world trade center. What do u want to do make a camp for them like we did to the Japanese during WW2. Immigration has always been here get over it. I'm not defending the terrorist but the regular ones I do not have a problem with.

Bingo so you are one of them!!!!!!!!!!! But they did the dance of joy when it happened. I dont like muslims so lets get that out in the open. The regular ones that priceless,how do you tell a regular one from the enemy?

[runningdownadream]

Dude your whacked I am polish Irish and german so.. maybe you need glasses LMAO Also maybe the only way you can tell is the one not flying the planes and BTW what about Tim Mcveigh he was one of us How come you did'nt know about him ???

[Surfing USA]

I am polish Irish and german so...
I'm American. :p

[Cgoodsp466]

Dude your whacked I am polish Irish and german so.. maybe you need glasses LMAO Also maybe the only way you can tell is the one not flying the planes and BTW what about Tim Mcveigh he was one of us How come you did'nt know about him ???

I know all about him Dude. Like I said how do you tell the bad guys from the good guys? You have a program that points em out. Muslims suck thats all I have to say on the issue.

[Dumbfounded]

It makes a big difference,How many Irish Polish or Germans flew planes it to the world trade center. Are you defending those muslims?

With a small edit of your quote, you COULD have a really, really bad joke.

"How many Polish flew planes into the world trade center?"


Keep in mind that IF we had tanks, troop carriers, humvees, army helicopters and a few hundred troops marching into Lackawanna doing a job the FBI and police did just fine, that by precedent Bush (Cheney) could have sent armed troops into any American town or city to handle ANYTHING they considered an "emergency," loosely defined, of course.

Wasn't it bad enough that New Orleans had nazis from Blackwater patrolling the streets making up their own laws as good well-paid mercenaries do?

Do you have ANY IDEA of what kind of police state the U.S. would have turned into (worse than now) if the army was "casually" sent into cities & towns to do what the National Guard, FBI, State & local police have proven they can do just fine WITHOUT our federal military?!

And believe me, if the army WAS ordered into Lackawanna, most troops would have asked themselves and each other, "what the hell do they need US for? Isn't this over doing it?"


Csgood, I'm sure you dearly love America but there's nothing "cool" or "maverick" and "patriotic" about the intensity and sarcasm your "tough guy" persona conveys.

Is it actually beyond you to look at the gray areas or is everything black or white with you because if that's true, you do not have an open mind:Black & white extremist thinking betrays some serious ignorance.

Now by all means, puke up a few good "badass" insults back at me calling me unAmerican and other weak crap talking points you continue pulling off of the tube and from your equally sad & angry buddies on SUWNY and in real life.

I'll be disappointed if you DON'T reply with your typical personal attack, Csgood.

[Cgoodsp466]

With a small edit of your quote, you COULD have a really, really bad joke.

"How many Polish flew planes into the world trade center?"


Keep in mind that IF we had tanks, troop carriers, humvees, army helicopters and a few hundred troops marching into Lackawanna doing a job the FBI and police did just fine, that by precedent Bush (Cheney) could have sent armed troops into any American town or city to handle ANYTHING they considered an "emergency," loosely defined, of course.

Wasn't it bad enough that New Orleans had nazis from Blackwater patrolling the streets making up their own laws as good well-paid mercenaries do?

Do you have ANY IDEA of what kind of police state the U.S. would have turned into (worse than now) if the army was "casually" sent into cities & towns to do what the National Guard, FBI, State & local police have proven they can do just fine WITHOUT our federal military?!

And believe me, if the army WAS ordered into Lackawanna, most troops would have asked themselves and each other, "what the hell do they need US for? Isn't this over doing it?"


Csgood, I'm sure you dearly love America but there's nothing "cool" or "maverick" and "patriotic" about the intensity and sarcasm your "tough guy" persona conveys.

Is it actually beyond you to look at the gray areas or is everything black or white with you because if that's true, you do not have an open mind:Black & white extremist thinking betrays some serious ignorance.

Now by all means, puke up a few good "badass" insults back at me calling me unAmerican and other weak crap talking points you continue pulling off of the tube and from your equally sad & angry buddies on SUWNY and in real life.

I'll be disappointed if you DON'T reply with your typical personal attack, Csgood.

Who loves ya baby.

[SunnyLA]

I know all about him Dude. Like I said how do you tell the bad guys from the good guys? You have a program that points em out. Muslims suck thats all I have to say on the issue.

Cgoodsp466--

I am sure back in the 60's you loved thos WHITES ONLY signs in the diner windows. I'll be the first to say your a coward and a racist. You give us a bad name.

[Cgoodsp466]

Cgoodsp466--

I am sure back in the 60's you loved thos WHITES ONLY signs in the diner windows. I'll be the first to say your a coward and a racist. You give us a bad name.

Racist yes Coward no. I could give a crap about giving you a bad name.Muslims are evil. Now try some original material I have heard it all son.

[Truthdetector]

I think that a little military action in the streets would have opened a few peoples eyes!

[ForestBird]

It might have been funny to see tanks crashing through the cruddy Ridge Road bridges

[tiredofbs]

I think that a little military action in the streets would have opened a few peoples eyes!

I agree. We need to show terrorists and traders that we will not tolerate their crap. It's not an attack on the American City or Town, it's an attack on terrorists.

[Cgoodsp466]

I agree. We need to show terrorists and traders that we will not tolerate their crap. It's not an attack on the American City or Town, it's an attack on terrorists.

Those bad ones in Lackawana Know what will happen if we get hit again.

[TheRightView]

I'm American. :p

Which America...we have South Amercia amd North America. We have Native Americans. :-P and don't just say because you were born here. I've got answers for that too :-P

[Dumbfounded]

Those bad ones in Lackawana Know what will happen if we get hit again.

"Huh heh! Ye got that right, Csgood! If ANY of them arab people, an' that includes babies an' old people, if they done get outta line, we'll show em' what for an' put the fear of God inta them! And I'm talkin' bout the REAL God, not that fool pansy allah! Oh, yeah, them arabs start actin' up again an' we're going ta teach em' real Amurican justice and when WE'RE through with hadji, we'll call our army ta come in an' kick their butts back to Hawaii or Puerto Rico or wherever them American-hatin' coos coos eatin' arab people come from!!"


Csgood for mayor! No, for governer!

[FMD]

So instead of using, our Police, sherifs, state police, FBI, SWAT, who are all HIGHLY trained, generally not itchy finger, more mature members of our multi layered police force, our executive branch wanted to use 18yr old soldiers fresh out of high school to raid a home?

Are you nuts? If this doesnt AT ALL bother you, please leave the United States.

[Dumbfounded]

So instead of using, our Police, sherifs, state police, FBI, SWAT, who are all HIGHLY trained, generally not itchy finger, more mature members of our multi layered police force, our executive branch wanted to use 18yr old soldiers fresh out of high school to raid a home?

Are you nuts? If this doesnt AT ALL bother you, please leave the United States.

FMD, Sadly enough there are literally MILLIONS of Americans who WOULD have gone along with the U.S. Army taking charge in apprehending the Lackawana Six;All it would have required is the mainstream media to "justify" the "patriotic" reasons why the U.S. Army was "essential" instead of the usual police;SWAT, FBI and the rest.

The breaking the Constitution explanation part would have come later and Cheney, Bush and the rest of the demons would have gotten away with more crimes thanks in great part to the media's convincing millions of fearful, trusting Americans that "wrong" is "right" and "the law" or "right" is "bended" or "modified" for "your protection" and if you don't agree, "you're antiAmreican."

So if you're talking about a mass-exodus of imbeciles who gladly throw away freedom for the illusion of safety, you're talking about several million morons who do not question or care about their civil liberties.

[Cgoodsp466]

So instead of using, our Police, sherifs, state police, FBI, SWAT, who are all HIGHLY trained, generally not itchy finger, more mature members of our multi layered police force, our executive branch wanted to use 18yr old soldiers fresh out of high school to raid a home?

Are you nuts? If this doesnt AT ALL bother you, please leave the United States.

Hey stop over at your local legion post and spout your crap. I would rather have the Seals or delta any day over the Military want to be's.

[Cgoodsp466]

FMD, Sadly enough there are literally MILLIONS of Americans who WOULD have gone along with the U.S. Army taking charge in apprehending the Lackawana Six;All it would have required is the mainstream media to "justify" the "patriotic" reasons why the U.S. Army was "essential" instead of the usual police;SWAT, FBI and the rest.

The breaking the Constitution explanation part would have come later and Cheney, Bush and the rest of the demons would have gotten away with more crimes thanks in great part to the media's convincing millions of fearful, trusting Americans that "wrong" is "right" and "the law" or "right" is "bended" or "modified" for "your protection" and if you don't agree, "you're antiAmreican."

So if you're talking about a mass-exodus of imbeciles who gladly throw away freedom for the illusion of safety, you're talking about several million morons who do not question or care about their civil liberties.

So Former Military,or AKA Vets are morons? Is that what you are sayin? And what are ya going to do when they come for you?