Muslim Terrorists

[Pauldo]

Everyone seems to wonder why Muslim terrorists are so quick to volunteer as
suicide bombers. The answer seems fairly simple...
No Christmas
No television
No beer
No pizza
No football
No cheerleaders
No tailgate parties
No baseball
No hockey
No golf
No Wal-Mart
No Home Depot
No pork BBQ
No hot dogs
No burgers
No chocolate chip cookies
No lobster
No shellfish, or even frozen fish sticks
No New England clam chowder
No vacation at the beach and besides, you hate sand
Rags for clothes and towels for hats
Constant wailing from the kids next-door because they're sick and there are no doctors
Constant wailing from the guy in the tower
More than one wife
You can't shave
Your wives can't shave
You can't shower to wash off the smell of donkey cooked over burning camel dung.
The women have to wear baggy dresses and veils at all times.
Your bride is picked by someone else and she smells just like your donkey;
but your donkey has a better disposition
Then...they tell you that when you die it all gets better!
I mean, really, is there a mystery here?

[atotaltotalfan2001]

Everyone seems to wonder why Muslim terrorists are so quick to volunteer as
suicide bombers. The answer seems fairly simple...
No Christmas
No television
No beer
No pizza
No football
No cheerleaders
No tailgate parties
No baseball
No hockey
No golf
No Wal-Mart
No Home Depot
No pork BBQ
No hot dogs
No burgers
No chocolate chip cookies
No lobster
No shellfish, or even frozen fish sticks
No New England clam chowder
No vacation at the beach and besides, you hate sand
Rags for clothes and towels for hats
Constant wailing from the kids next-door because they're sick and there are no doctors
Constant wailing from the guy in the tower
More than one wife
You can't shave
Your wives can't shave
You can't shower to wash off the smell of donkey cooked over burning camel dung.
The women have to wear baggy dresses and veils at all times.
Your bride is picked by someone else and she smells just like your donkey;
but your donkey has a better disposition
Then...they tell you that when you die it all gets better!
I mean, really, is there a mystery here?


Good job of being ridiculous and an embarrassment to your own country.

[atotaltotalfan2001]

In the interest of fair play, let's talk about what the other side thinks....

Reasons being a Muslim is good.....

1. No WalMart to suck the life out of your culture and economy.
2. No gang warfare to make you afraid of walking out your front door
3. No fast-food chains and junk food galore to make you fat and ugly (physically) before your time....and to cost the rest of the country a fortune trying to keep you alive
4. Respect for your elders. Ever listen to the way young people talk to their elders? It's a disgrace. Ever take a look at all the elderly hidden away in disgusting "rest homes"? Ever smell those homes or look at the tragic faces in them? Pay a small fortune for those homes even though they are hell on earth?
You won't find that in the Muslim culture (outside of the West). They take care of their own. Do we?

....to be continued.....

[Pauldo]

Good job of being ridiculous and an embarrassment to your own country.

Ya right, and I bet you laughed!

[atotaltotalfan2001]

Ya right, and I bet you laughed!

No. I didn't laugh. I was sad and embarrased for you.

[Pauldo]

No. I didn't laugh. I was sad and embarrased for you.

What are you, pro Muslim? Don't give me this political correct crap that you are spewing. I hate to say it, but I'm embarrased for you and I don't even know you!

[atotaltotalfan2001]

What are you, pro Muslim? Don't give me this political correct crap that you are spewing. I hate to say it, but I'm embarrased for you and I don't even know you!

And being pro Muslim is bad why?

[Pauldo]

And being pro Muslim is bad why?

Point blank---you must be a complete idiot---the Muslims advocate the total destruction of the nation of Israel.

[therising]

This is one of those "why bother wasting your breath on this" threads.

Score:
atotaltotalfan2001 1
Archie Bunker 0

[steven]

Everyone seems to wonder why Muslim terrorists are so quick to volunteer as

suicide bombers. The answer seems fairly simple...



No lobster



Then...they tell you that when you die it all gets better!

I mean, really, is there a mystery here?

Long ago, lobsters were so plentiful that Native Americans used them to fertilize their fields and to bait their hooks for fishing. In colonial times, lobsters were considered "poverty food." They were harvested from tidal pools and served to children, to prisoners, and to indentured servants, who exchanged their passage to America for seven years of service to their sponsors. In Massachusetts, some of the servants finally rebelled. They had it put into their contracts that they would not be forced to eat lobster more than three times a week.

[Pauldo]

This is one of those "why bother wasting your breath on this" threads.

Score:
atotaltotalfan2001 1
Archie Bunker 0

Sounds like Meathead to me!

[Stevenco]

The same reason so many are quick to sign up for suicide bombers is the same reason so many young American men were so gungho to sign up for the war in Afghanistan and Iraq.

Both were mislead by their leaders into believing that they were fighting for a good cause. We don't have suicide bombers because we can bomb from far away and high in the sky.

Glad I could clear it up for you Pauldo, now stop calling names.

TTFandRising, Go shower.

[Stevenco]

Try this: step back to an aerial view of the earth and all the political boundries disappear. All you see is two factions fighting, not unlike microbe colonies. Neither right, neither wrong, just fighting.
Politcal boundries are temporary and artificial. Muslims are fine, so are Jews and Americans and everyone else, exept for the evil old guys who start these wars but won't fight them and won't let their kids go either. They'll send your kid.

[Pauldo]

The same reason so many are quick to sign up for suicide bombers is the same reason so many young American men were so gungho to sign up for the war in Afghanistan and Iraq.

Both were mislead by their leaders into believing that they were fighting for a good cause. We don't have suicide bombers because we can bomb from far away and high in the sky.

Glad I could clear it up for you Pauldo, now stop calling names.

TTFandRising, Go shower.

The idiot implies that I am Archie Bunker so I felt justified.

[therising]

The idiot implies that I am Archie Bunker so I felt justified.

Please call a spade a spade. I accused you of being an Archie Bunker-type bigot, I didn't imply anything.

[mikewrona]

Please call a spade a spade. I accused you of being an Archie Bunker-type bigot, I didn't imply anything.

Pauldo is at the opposite end of the Muslim fanatics who believe Allah and the Koran are the only way to live your life. Everyone else is comdemned to damnation. Pauld believes the same think. Except he call his deity God and the book The Bible.

How do I know this. He emailed me and asked me to stop calling him a Republican. He said he was a member of the Constitution Party and included a website link.

This is the Preamble to the Constitution Party Preamble:

The Constitution Party gratefully acknowledges the blessing of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ as Creator, Preserver and Ruler of the Universe and of these United States. We hereby appeal to Him for mercy, aid, comfort, guidance and the protection of His Providence as we work to restore and preserve these United States.

This great nation was founded, not by religionists, but by Christians; not on religions but on the Gospel of Jesus Christ. For this very reason peoples of other faiths have been and are afforded asylum, prosperity, and freedom of worship here.

The goal of the Constitution Party is to restore American jurisprudence to its Biblical foundations and to limit the federal government to its Constitutional boundaries.

[Stevenco]

That was dumb, Wrona.

[atotaltotalfan2001]

That was dumb, Wrona.

Why? Grant it, it was yet another personal jab at someone (but so was your response, right?:) ), but I thought it was kind of interesting.

Maybe someone should start a separate thread .....between this group and the stuff on a different thread (I think) about the John Birch Society, we could have some interesting discussions.

[Stevenco]

(but so was your response, right?:)

To you, it may have been.:)

Wrona's response it a classic example of getting dragged down.

[Linda_D]

To you, it may have been.:)

Wrona's response it a classic example of getting dragged down.

No, it isn't. Mike's post enlightened Pauldo as to what the party he claims membership is all about in case he didn't know it already (which I doubt), and it enlightens the rest of us as to what this organization is all about. If Pauldo continues to advertise this organization, then we'll know exactly what his opinion is worth.

[mikewrona]

To you, it may have been.:)

Wrona's response it a classic example of getting dragged down.

Sure it's dumb. Most everything posted here is dumb. Including much of what your post.

The problem is that a blooger will always tell you what they claim the other person believes but they will never tell you what they believe.

In this case. Pauldo speaks from a reference point the bears an erroneous assumption that the U.S. is a Christian nation because it was founded by Christians.

Hate to tell you all that all of Western Europe and the Americans were Christian 250 years ago. And nearly all of them had kings. What Christianity reposonsible for kingdoms too?

[Stevenco]

Sure it's dumb. Most everything posted here is dumb. Including much of what your post. GOOD POINT.



See ladies, I told you. We Poles must have some sort of heightened sense of awareness when it comes to stupidity.:eek:

So much so, we can identify even our own.:)

[mikewrona]

See ladies, I told you. We Poles must have some sort of heightened sense of awareness when it comes to stupidity.:eek:

So much so, we can identify even our own.:)

I'm serious. I post something people call it stupid or dumb etc. You post something, ditto, Fan- ditto, In the end all the conversation has become is how stupid everyone is.

And if you take the time to look. You will see that it is the same people who start the stupidity everytime.

As for the Poles having a heightened sense of awarness to stupidy, I believe that is a result of diet.

[atotaltotalfan2001]

I'm serious. I post something people call it stupid or dumb etc. You post something, ditto, Fan- ditto, In the end all the conversation has become is how stupid everyone is.



I'm stupid?

Oh. :(

Well, at least I understand, to the best of my impaired ability, why so many of those Amherst threads -- actually make that all Amherst threads -- make no sense to me.

Just one question: If you're stupid, then how can you tell I'm stupid? Wouldn't a determination like that be too big a mental leap for you?:rolleyes:

[mikewrona]

I'm stupid?

Oh. :(

Well, at least I understand, to the best of my impaired ability, why so many of those Amherst threads -- actually make that all Amherst threads -- make no sense to me.

Just one question: If you're stupid, then how can you tell I'm stupid? Wouldn't a determination like that be too big a mental leap for you?:rolleyes:

I'm not calling you stupid! :confused:

Read this part once again from my original post - particularly the words "people call it stupid."

"I'm serious. I post something people call it stupid or dumb etc. You post something, ditto, Fan- ditto, In the end all the conversation has become is how stupid everyone is."

[atotaltotalfan2001]

I'm not calling you stupid! :confused:

Read this part once again from my original post - particularly the words "people call it stupid."

"I'm serious. I post something people call it stupid or dumb etc. You post something, ditto, Fan- ditto, In the end all the conversation has become is how stupid everyone is."

Yikes. I got your message entirely wrong! I'm sorry.:o

If it helps, I don't think you're stupid at all.:)

[mikewrona]

Yikes. I got your message entirely wrong! I'm sorry.:o

If it helps, I don't think you're stupid at all.:)

No problem. I was called stupid a little while ago by Usually Right and my immune systems is in the process of warding (that's a pun) off that attack.

[Pauldo]

No problem. I was called stupid a little while ago by Usually Right and my immune systems is in the process of warding (that's a pun) off that attack.

To bad your brain has problems comprehending anything that doesn't suit your liberal agenda.

[Pauldo]

No, it isn't. Mike's post enlightened Pauldo as to what the party he claims membership is all about in case he didn't know it already (which I doubt), and it enlightens the rest of us as to what this organization is all about. If Pauldo continues to advertise this organization, then we'll know exactly what his opinion is worth.

Linda D has been spending to much time at the Lucy Museum and not enough time reading. Her comments indicate her educational level.

[Stevenco]

How difficult is it really to cut up a comment instead of trying to cut up the commentator. When you attack the commentator, it means you really can't attack the comment. It's weak.

Don't make me do it, Pauldo.:)

None of you are really stupid, you're just in disagreement. Next time, you get chokeslammed.

[Pauldo]

Have you ever thought -- Can a devout Muslim be an American patriot and a loyal citizen?


Theologically, no. Because his allegiance is to Allah, the moon god of Arabia.




Religiously, no. Because no other religion is accepted by his Allah except Islam (Quran, 2:256)




Scripturally, no. Because his allegiance is to the five pillars of Islam and the Quran (Koran).




Geographically, no. Because his allegiance is to Mecca, to which he turns in prayer five times a day.




Socially, no. Because his allegiance to Islam forbids him to make friends with Christians or Jews.




Politically, no. Because he must submit to the mullah (spiritual leaders), who teach annihilation of Israel and destruction of America, the great Satan.




Domestically, no, because he is instructed to marry four women and beat and scourge his wife when she disobeys him (Quran 4:34).




Intellectually, no, because he cannot accept the American Constitution since it is based on Biblical principles and he believes the Bible to be corrupt.




Philosophically, no, because Islam, Muhammad, and the Quran do not allow freedom of religion and expression. Democracy and Islam cannot co - exist. Every Muslim government is either dictatorial or autocratic.




Spiritually, no, because when we declare "one nation under God," the Christian's God is loving and kind, while Allah is NEVER referred to as heavenly father, nor is he ever called love in the Quran's 99 excellent names.




Therefore after much study and deliberation....

perhaps we should be very suspicious of ALL MUSLIMS in this country.




They obviously cannot be both "good" Muslims and good Americans. Call it what you wish...it's still the truth.




If you find yourself intellectually in agreement with the above statements, perhaps you will share this with your friends. The more who understand this, the better it will be for our country and our future.




Pass it on Fellow Americans......




The religious war is bigger than we know

[Stevenco]

:rolleyes: Ridiculous. You write the same post using any religion. You must be in your twenties or something.

[Pauldo]

:rolleyes: Ridiculous. You write the same post using any religion. You must be in your twenties or something.

Stevenco, you better read it again. Have you read the Quran? I wouldn't comment unless you understand what they believe. I have read the Quran and it is a book of hate and deceit.

[Stevenco]

That book was written a long time ago, Pauldo. Just like the Old Testament that condones killing in the name of God, sacrificing babies, et al.
NewsFlash: It's 2006
Leaving large gaps between sentences does not make your argument more effective. However, in fairness. I'll read it. Tell me it's not that long:)
Try to be nicer to people you disagree with.:) Not to me. Say anything to me:D

[therising]

Pauldo

Do you have any original responses, besides the ubiquitous Bill Kindel remarks???

I just, randomly, Googled part of your response, and that s--- is all over the internet? Do you have any original thought, whatsover????????

http://www.google.com/search?sourceid=navclient&ie=UTF-8&rls=GGLD,GGLD:2004-43,GGLD:en&q=Scripturally%2C+no%2E+Because+his+allegiance+is+ to+the+five+pillars+of+Islam+and+the+Quran+%28Kora n%29%2E

Come up with something original, and stop wasting our ****ing time!!

[atotaltotalfan2001]

Stevenco, you better read it again. Have you read the Quran? I wouldn't comment unless you understand what they believe. I have read the Quran and it is a book of hate and deceit.

And the Old Testament isn't?

[Stevenco]

Be nice to Pauldo. I'm sure he's a good kid.

[Pauldo]

Pauldo

Do you have any original responses, besides the ubiquitous Bill Kindel remarks???

I just, randomly, Googled part of your response, and that s--- is all over the internet? Do you have any original thought, whatsover????????

http://www.google.com/search?sourceid=navclient&ie=UTF-8&rls=GGLD,GGLD:2004-43,GGLD:en&q=Scripturally%2C+no%2E+Because+his+allegiance+is+ to+the+five+pillars+of+Islam+and+the+Quran+%28Kora n%29%2E

Come up with something original, and stop wasting our ****ing time!!

I think you missed your Prozac today!

[tomac]

:rolleyes: Ridiculous. You write the same post using any religion. You must be in your twenties or something.

When was the last time a Catholic, or a Methodist (can't spell Episcopalian!:D ) flew an airplane into a mosque?
And the Buddhists, all they did was set fire to themselves!

Moslims think that everyone should and must bow to their way of thinking.
I'll be happy to give them all a rascher of bacon! :mad:

[DelawareDistrict]

When was the last time a Catholic, or a Methodist (can't spell Episcopalian!:D ) flew an airplane into a mosque?
And the Buddhists, all they did was set fire to themselves!

Moslims think that everyone should and must bow to their way of thinking.
I'll be happy to give them all a rascher of bacon! :mad:
James Kopp, the murderer of Dr. Slepian, worshiped with the now ex-communicated Catholic rebel sect Society of St. Pius X. Their teachings had a very strong influence on his actions.

[Stevenco]

Moslims think that everyone should and must bow to their way of thinking.
:mad:

..and so do fanatical Christians. It's either Jesus or hell. One or the other.

It's the extremists, the fundamentalists, the radicals on both sides that are the trouble makers.

Most Muslims, like most Christians are peaceful, like most people. I'm not going to explain this to you again. You get it or you don't.

Notice the people that don't get it are the fighters.

[therising]

When was the last time a Catholic, or a Methodist (can't spell Episcopalian!:D ) flew an airplane into a mosque?

Yeah, and when's the last time an all-American white kid from Buffalo blew up a building and killed hundreds of innocent kids?

If your point is, that there are tons of muslim fanatics, then, to disagree with you would be just plain silly.

But, to have such disdain for an entire group of people, because of a few (really) bad apples is just counter-productive, and gets us all nowhere.

We, the American People, are really not that hard to hate. Just take a look at Pauldo's comments about Muslim women smelling like (and looking worse than) donkeys.

If come Muslim guy posted that crap about Americans, Pauldo would be the first one to copy and paste it here, saying "see I told you they're all animals."

Doesn't anyone see the irony in that??

[DelawareDistrict]

The whole issue boils down to cultural differences. The U.S., as a whole, is certainly guilty of the failure to make a real effort to understand the Muslim culture. This is not an excuse for the actions of terrorists. Our actions inflame the terrorists and they retaliate. This type of behavior is seen throughout history. One would think that cooler heads would prevail, especially in the upper echelons of our government, however, there appears to be a total lack of critical thinking skills in this area.

Anyone interested in reading a very interesting artilcle about an Imam in Brooklyn can follow this link - A Muslim Leader in Brooklyn, Reconciling 2 Worlds (http://www.nytimes.com/2006/03/05/nyregion/05imam.html?adxnnl=1&adxnnlx=1142113787-/nZax92Y8Ol29fMs3ahEVw). Anyone with an open mind will enjoy the viewpoint presented. Anyone with a closed mind needs to set aside preformed opinions and join the real world. It doesn't have to be "us against them".

[lyn1639]

[QUOTE=therising]Yeah, and when's the last time an all-American white kid from Buffalo blew up a building and killed hundreds of innocent kids?

Timothy Mc Veigh? Pendleton's close enough in my book. The point really is that any form of fundamentalist beliefs can become dangerous and any religious text can be cherry-picked to suit an extremist's purposes. Which one of the evengelicals after 9/11 claimed something like it being God's punishment to America for tolerating gays, lesbians, and feminists?

[mikewrona]

When was the last time a Catholic, or a Methodist (can't spell Episcopalian!:D ) flew an airplane into a mosque?
And the Buddhists, all they did was set fire to themselves!

Moslims think that everyone should and must bow to their way of thinking.
I'll be happy to give them all a rascher of bacon! :mad:

People who were Catholic, Orthodox, Protestant, Buddhist, Hindu, and Atheist in the last 100 years have blown up each other in Northern Ireland, Rwanda, South Africa, Cambodia, China, Russia, Argentina, Congo, Eastern Europe (Jews), Pakistan/India. Killing people in the hundreds of millions.

We don't blame everyone belonging to those faiths anymore than we should be blaming the Muslims.

As for the Muslims wanting everything their way. That is true. That's what the fundamentalist Muslims want. They are no different than the fundamentalist Christians who want everything their way and have shot and killed doctors and blown up clinics and the Atlanta Olympics to prove their point.

[Stevenco]

..and so do fanatical Christians. It's either Jesus or hell. One or the other.

It's the extremists, the fundamentalists, the radicals on both sides that are the trouble makers.

Most Muslims, like most Christians are peaceful, like most people. I'm not going to explain this to you again. You get it or you don't.

Notice the people that don't get it are the fighters.

That's what I said:rolleyes: Wrona, but they can't here me or you because they are not listening.

[mikewrona]

That's what I said:rolleyes: Wrona, but they can't here me or you because they are not listening.

Wello, at least we don't allow there words to go unchallenged.

[Pauldo]

People who were Catholic, Orthodox, Protestant, Buddhist, Hindu, and Atheist in the last 100 years have blown up each other in Northern Ireland, Rwanda, South Africa, Cambodia, China, Russia, Argentina, Congo, Eastern Europe (Jews), Pakistan/India. Killing people in the hundreds of millions.

We don't blame everyone belonging to those faiths anymore than we should be blaming the Muslims.

As for the Muslims wanting everything their way. That is true. That's what the fundamentalist Muslims want. They are no different than the fundamentalist Christians who want everything their way and have shot and killed doctors and blown up clinics and the Atlanta Olympics to prove their point.


Calling a fundamentalist Muslim in the same tone as a fundamentalist Christian really shows your ignorance. How many clinics have been blown up by fundamentalist Christians--two or three? How many fundamentalist Muslims blow themselves up? I bet it is in the thousands now.

I notice you also have a distain for Protestant Christians in just about all your posts. You probably never read the Bible but I bet you have read all of Gore Vidal's books. In short, you are very shallow in your thinking.

[Stevenco]

Calling a fundamentalist Muslim in the same tone as a fundamentalist Christian really shows your ignorance. .When you can't logically rebut an argument, you attack the author of it, personally. You must be from Amherst or something.

[therising]

I'm ll keep quoting myself until Churchill responds:


Yeah, and when's the last time an all-American white kid from Buffalo blew up a building and killed hundreds of innocent kids?

If your point is, that there are tons of muslim fanatics, then, to disagree with you would be just plain silly.

But, to have such disdain for an entire group of people, because of a few (really) bad apples is just counter-productive, and gets us all nowhere.

We, the American People, are really not that hard to hate. Just take a look at Pauldo's comments about Muslim women smelling like (and looking worse than) donkeys.

If come Muslim guy posted that crap about Americans, Pauldo would be the first one to copy and paste it here, saying "see I told you they're all animals."

Doesn't anyone see the irony in that??

[Cgoodsp466]

No. I didn't laugh. I was sad and embarrased for you.

Muslims suck,I am not embarassed to say it. In the 1967 the boys in the
the 7th cavalry had a saying blank em all let God sort em out. Dont call me when these bastards are at your front door.:D

[Cgoodsp466]

When was the last time a Catholic, or a Methodist (can't spell Episcopalian!:D ) flew an airplane into a mosque?
And the Buddhists, all they did was set fire to themselves!

Moslims think that everyone should and must bow to their way of thinking.
I'll be happy to give them all a rascher of bacon! :mad:


I know we dont agree on much,but here I say right. :)

[mikewrona]

When you can't logically rebut an argument, you attack the author of it, personally. You must be from Amherst or something.

He's from Amherst.

[Pauldo]

When you can't logically rebut an argument, you attack the author of it, personally. You must be from Amherst or something.

You must be from Buffalo? Does that make you royalty? I questioned an idiotic statement!

[Stevenco]

You must be from Buffalo? Does that make you royalty? I questioned an idiotic statement! No, my being from Buffalo doesn't.:)

Making references to the use of psychiatric medication is not questioning the statement. Have someone explain this. I have to go to another thread.

[therising]

Muslims suck,I am not embarassed to say it. In the 1967 the boys in the
the 7th cavalry had a saying blank em all let God sort em out. Dont call me when these bastards are at your front door.:D

Up unitil now, I had no opinion of you, Cgoodsp466.
Thanks for rectifying that.

[atotaltotalfan2001]

Muslims suck,I am not embarassed to say it. In the 1967 the boys in the
the 7th cavalry had a saying blank em all let God sort em out. Dont call me when these bastards are at your front door.:D

You're being sarcastic, right?

[tomac]

James Kopp, the murderer of Dr. Slepian, worshiped with the now ex-communicated Catholic rebel sect Society of St. Pius X. Their teachings had a very strong influence on his actions.

James Kopp is a murderer that killed one man (and admittedly shot several others) His crime was condemned by the mainstream Catholic Church, both locally, nationally and from the Vatican.
As you said, he worshipped at the St. Pius X Society, which was excommunicated by the Church. That means that the Church holds that all those people are in error and need to repent before being allowed to return to the fold.
No major Moslim cleric has said word one about 9/11 being wrong or condemnable. Indeed, they danced in the streets for joy at the news.

I'll still feed them all a rascher of bacon.
And I know the Moslims better than you know; I've tangled with them a long time ago.

[DelawareDistrict]

James Kopp is a murderer that killed one man (and admittedly shot several others) His crime was condemned by the mainstream Catholic Church, both locally, nationally and from the Vatican.
As you said, he worshipped at the St. Pius X Society, which was excommunicated by the Church. That means that the Church holds that all those people are in error and need to repent before being allowed to return to the fold.
No major Moslim cleric has said word one about 9/11 being wrong or condemnable. Indeed, they danced in the streets for joy at the news.

I'll still feed them all a rascher of bacon.
And I know the Moslims better than you know; I've tangled with them a long time ago.
Your logic is completely out the window. I am not allowed to use a rebel (extemist) Catholic sect in my position, yet, you purport that all Muslims are terrorists based on the actions of a small minority comprised of extremists. The Muslim terrorists have been condemned by the mainstream Muslim Clerics and many other members of the Muslim religion.

Muslims Condemn Terrorist Attacks (http://www.muhajabah.com/otherscondemn.php)

It is opinions like yours that incite extemists on both sides of the issue. Some people choose to learn from history, you are determined to repeat it.

[mikewrona]

James Kopp is a murderer that killed one man (and admittedly shot several others) His crime was condemned by the mainstream Catholic Church, both locally, nationally and from the Vatican.
As you said, he worshipped at the St. Pius X Society, which was excommunicated by the Church. That means that the Church holds that all those people are in error and need to repent before being allowed to return to the fold.
No major Moslim cleric has said word one about 9/11 being wrong or condemnable. Indeed, they danced in the streets for joy at the news.

I'll still feed them all a rascher of bacon.
And I know the Moslims better than you know; I've tangled with them a long time ago.


The Organization of the Islamic Conference (OIC) grouping 57 Muslim states condemned Wednesday the previous day's attacks on the United States…
"We condemn these savage and criminal acts which are anathema to all human conventions and values and the monotheist religions, led by Islam," OIC secretary general Abdel Wahad Belkaziz said in a statement.
DUBAI, Sept 12, 2001 (IslamOnline & News Agencies)

[lyn1639]

And this all brings us full circle back to the fact that any kind of extremist has the capacity to be dangerous.

[Pauldo]

The Organization of the Islamic Conference (OIC) grouping 57 Muslim states condemned Wednesday the previous day's attacks on the United States…
"We condemn these savage and criminal acts which are anathema to all human conventions and values and the monotheist religions, led by Islam," OIC secretary general Abdel Wahad Belkaziz said in a statement.
DUBAI, Sept 12, 2001 (IslamOnline & News Agencies)

Not one Muslim "American" cleric condemned the 9/11 attacks on September 12, 2001. They were silent and definitely showed their true colors.

[DelawareDistrict]

Not one Muslim "American" cleric condemned the 9/11 attacks on September 12, 2001. They were silent and definitely showed their true colors.
They didn't wait until September 12, 2001 to condemn the attacks, they condemned them on Septermber 11, 2001.
Despite the unanimous and vocal condemnations by American Muslim (http://www.mediamonitors.net/riadabdelkarim3.html) and Arab-American group and leaders nationwide, some in our country were not satisfied. In subsequent weeks and months, numerous unsubstantiated references appeared in newspaper opinion columns and on television talk shows about American Muslims' alleged "silence" after the terrorist attacks. Such claims were clearly not based on facts, but rather were the products of either outright ignorance-which is inexcusable-or deliberate defamation by some with thinly-veiled Islamophobic agendas-which is utterly deplorable.

[mikewrona]

Not one Muslim "American" cleric condemned the 9/11 attacks on September 12, 2001. They were silent and definitely showed their true colors.

You remain an ignorant bigot.

Monday, September 12, 2001

Scholars of Islam issued a statement today, condemning the violent attacks of September 11th.
“We are grief-stricken at these horrifying events,” they wrote; “the murder of innocents can never be justified and must not be tolerated.”
In a lengthy statement, professors from major colleges and universities throughout the country expressed their compassion for grieving family members while also decrying the increase in violence against American Muslims this past week. “Anger and frustration are completely understandable and shared by us all,” they wrote “yet that anger must not be directed at individuals utterly innocent of these terrible crimes.”
In recent days, verbal and physical attacks against Muslims (and people who were thought to be Muslims) have been reported from California to Vermont. Muslims have been warned to stay home or to avoid wearing traditional dress. “Particularly distressing is the fact that many American Muslims have fled to the United States, seeking a haven from intolerant regimes in Kosovo, Afghanistan or Iraq. For them now to face intolerance and violence here is an abuse of our Nation’s most deeply cherished beliefs” they said.
The co-signers of the statement are members of many scholarly societies in the United States and Canada. They include:
Professor Asma Afsaruddin, of Notre Dame University
Professor Vivienne Sm. Angeles, La Salle University
Professor Ghazala Anwar of the University of Canterbury, New Zealand
Professor Jonathan Brockopp, Director of the Religion Program at Bard College
Professor Patrice C. Brodeur of Connecticut College
Professor Arthur Buehler of Louisiana State University
Professor Amila Buturovic of York University
Professor Juan E. Campo of the University of California, Santa Barbara
Professor Vincent J. Cornell of University of Arkansas
Professor Frederick M. Denny Chair of Islamic Studies and the History of Religions, University of Colorado
Professor Abdullahi Gallab of Hiram College
Professor Behrooz Ghamari of Georgia State University
Professor Alan Godlas of University of Georgia
Professor Hugh Talat Halman, of University of Arkansas
Professor Pieternella (Nelly) Harder Vandoorn,, of Valparaiso University

[Pauldo]

You remain an ignorant bigot.

Monday, September 12, 2001

Scholars of Islam issued a statement today, condemning the violent attacks of September 11th.
“We are grief-stricken at these horrifying events,” they wrote; “the murder of innocents can never be justified and must not be tolerated.”
In a lengthy statement, professors from major colleges and universities throughout the country expressed their compassion for grieving family members while also decrying the increase in violence against American Muslims this past week. “Anger and frustration are completely understandable and shared by us all,” they wrote “yet that anger must not be directed at individuals utterly innocent of these terrible crimes.”
In recent days, verbal and physical attacks against Muslims (and people who were thought to be Muslims) have been reported from California to Vermont. Muslims have been warned to stay home or to avoid wearing traditional dress. “Particularly distressing is the fact that many American Muslims have fled to the United States, seeking a haven from intolerant regimes in Kosovo, Afghanistan or Iraq. For them now to face intolerance and violence here is an abuse of our Nation’s most deeply cherished beliefs” they said.
The co-signers of the statement are members of many scholarly societies in the United States and Canada. They include:
Professor Asma Afsaruddin, of Notre Dame University
Professor Vivienne Sm. Angeles, La Salle University
Professor Ghazala Anwar of the University of Canterbury, New Zealand
Professor Jonathan Brockopp, Director of the Religion Program at Bard College
Professor Patrice C. Brodeur of Connecticut College
Professor Arthur Buehler of Louisiana State University
Professor Amila Buturovic of York University
Professor Juan E. Campo of the University of California, Santa Barbara
Professor Vincent J. Cornell of University of Arkansas
Professor Frederick M. Denny Chair of Islamic Studies and the History of Religions, University of Colorado
Professor Abdullahi Gallab of Hiram College
Professor Behrooz Ghamari of Georgia State University
Professor Alan Godlas of University of Georgia
Professor Hugh Talat Halman, of University of Arkansas
Professor Pieternella (Nelly) Harder Vandoorn,, of Valparaiso University


I said Muslim Clerics and you provide me with University Professors.! You did not mention any cleric from a Muslim mosque in the USA! You just can't seem to follow directions outside of going to a google search. Name one Muslim cleric in the USA! Come on now and follow directions!

No, I am not a biggot but a realist. How many Muslim friends do you have?

[mikewrona]

I said Muslim Clerics and you provide me with University Professors.! You did not mention any cleric from a Muslim mosque in the USA! You just can't seem to follow directions outside of going to a google search. Name one Muslim cleric in the USA! Come on now and follow directions!

No, I am not a biggot but a realist. How many Muslim friends do you have?

They are clerics you freakin bonehead. Islam is not set up like a Fundamentalist Church. It's an unstructured religion.

A cleric is a religious scholar.

[mikewrona]

I said Muslim Clerics and you provide me with University Professors.! You did not mention any cleric from a Muslim mosque in the USA! You just can't seem to follow directions outside of going to a google search. Name one Muslim cleric in the USA! Come on now and follow directions!

No, I am not a biggot but a realist. How many Muslim friends do you have?

You are one incredibly ignorant bigot. Bigot's are uneducated, uninformed individuals who draw opinions based on emotion and personal opinion rather than facts.

Islam is not a structured religion like your bible thumping leaders who are intolerant of others. The cleric is a scholar of Islam. These men are scholars of Islam.

As for how many Muslim friends I have, that's pretty funny coming from a guy who doesn't want anyone to know who he/she is.

[mikewrona]

I said Muslim Clerics and you provide me with University Professors.! You did not mention any cleric from a Muslim mosque in the USA! You just can't seem to follow directions outside of going to a google search. Name one Muslim cleric in the USA! Come on now and follow directions!

No, I am not a biggot but a realist. How many Muslim friends do you have?

You are one incredibly ignorant bigot. Bigot's are uneducated, uninformed individuals who draw opinions based on emotion and personal opinion rather than facts.

Islam is not a structured religion like your bible thumping leaders who are intolerant of others. The cleric is a scholar of Islam. These men are scholars of Islam.

As for how many Muslim friends I have, that's pretty funny coming from a guy who doesn't want anyone to know who he/she is.

[mikewrona]

I said Muslim Clerics and you provide me with University Professors.! You did not mention any cleric from a Muslim mosque in the USA! You just can't seem to follow directions outside of going to a google search. Name one Muslim cleric in the USA! Come on now and follow directions!

No, I am not a biggot but a realist. How many Muslim friends do you have?

You tell me your name. I'll tell you how many Islamic friends I have. I've already posted that information on this blog only recently.

As for being a bigot. Yeah, you most certianly are. You pretty much post spewing hate of others.

Since you don't know what constitutes a cleric let me bring you up to speed.

A cleric is a person who has knowledge of the Qur'an, the Islamic traditions (hadith), and Islamic law (fiqh).

[fireman]

In the interest of fair play, let's talk about what the other side thinks....

Reasons being a Muslim is good.....

1. No WalMart to suck the life out of your culture and economy.
2. No gang warfare to make you afraid of walking out your front door
3. No fast-food chains and junk food galore to make you fat and ugly (physically) before your time....and to cost the rest of the country a fortune trying to keep you alive
4. Respect for your elders. Ever listen to the way young people talk to their elders? It's a disgrace. Ever take a look at all the elderly hidden away in disgusting "rest homes"? Ever smell those homes or look at the tragic faces in them? Pay a small fortune for those homes even though they are hell on earth?
You won't find that in the Muslim culture (outside of the West). They take care of their own. Do we?

....to be continued.....

1. The average Muslim would love a Walmart in their backyard. Isn't that where they went to buy the box cutters used to hijack the planes?

2. No gang warfare. Just plain old warfare with much more dangerous weaponry.

3. Those darn fast-food chains that force you into their store and make you eat fatty foods.

4. Respect for the elders who sell their kids as suicide bombers for $25,000? Yeah, they take care of their own, alright. Just look at the wonderful job they have done for the Palestinians.

[Pauldo]

You are one incredibly ignorant bigot. Bigot's are uneducated, uninformed individuals who draw opinions based on emotion and personal opinion rather than facts.

Islam is not a structured religion like your bible thumping leaders who are intolerant of others. The cleric is a scholar of Islam. These men are scholars of Islam.

As for how many Muslim friends I have, that's pretty funny coming from a guy who doesn't want anyone to know who he/she is.

Listen nitwit, if you had half a brain you would be dangerous. Mikey, Mikey Mikey-you didn't grasp the whole thing! I am sick and tired of you insulting me with your juvenile comments. In addition, you disparaging remarks regarding Christianity are vile and definitely indicate what a classless boob you really are.

You call me a bigot but you are one of the most bias posters in the forum. Everyone knows Mikey Mikey the inane idiot. I want to know who the Muslim Imans are that came forward. Don't give me this crap about clerics being scholars of Islam. In that case, all Islam followers would be clerics as they are required to follow the teachings as indicated in the five pillars. I want to know leaders period! You can't provide them because you do not know. How in the hell can you defend a so called religion that preaches death to the infidel.

As far as your Muslim friends, I doubt you have any. Maybe you can produce one with a search engine. After careful review, I have come to the conclusion you don't have any friends at all. You are arrogant, boisterous
and a condescending individual with limited intellectual capacity. I also suspect you have some serious mental problems that need to be addressed by a professional. I bet Mikey you were a "Mama's Boy."

Does all this mean we are not friends anymore?

[crlachepinochet]

Have you ever thought -- Can a devout Muslim be an American patriot and a loyal citizen?

Theologically, no. Because his allegiance is to Allah, the moon god of Arabia.
Show me the state religion of the US, so we can see how it is different from Islam.

Religiously, no. Because no other religion is accepted by his Allah except Islam (Quran, 2:256)Actually, Islam holds a special distinction for its Abrahamic predecessors, but has been less tolerant of other religions. I'm sorry, but I must have missed Christianity's "tolerant" period. I assume it was sometime other than the Crusades or the 1500 years or so where Jews were persecuted for "killing" Jesus?

Scripturally, no. Because his allegiance is to the five pillars of Islam and the Quran (Koran).
Hmm... five pillars, five pillars. Five pillars... a profession of faith, prayers, giving to charity, fasting, and a pilgrimmage. An evil religion or the MOST evil religion? Oh, and scripturally American? I have yet to see one.

Geographically, no. Because his allegiance is to Mecca, to which he turns in prayer five times a day.
Allegiance to Mecca? Facing something constitutes an allegiance? Maybe that's why TV ads are so effective. I assume Roman Catholics are un-American then, since they are bound to follow the decrees of an old guy in Rome? There has never been an American pope. Episcopalians are the American branch of the Church of England. The English monarch is the official head of the CoE. They're out, right?

Politically, no. Because he must submit to the mullah (spiritual leaders), who teach annihilation of Israel and destruction of America, the great Satan.
Islam doesn't have the same hierarchy that most Christian sects do. There's no Muslim "pope" to serve as the PR for the religion as a whole.

Domestically, no, because he is instructed to marry four women and beat and scourge his wife when she disobeys him (Quran 4:34).
Historically, Muslim women have had more equal rights than other societies' women. Muslim women have been divorcing their husbands and owning property for 1300 years. Muslim men have taken more than one wife, but they can only do so if they have the means to care for them. I'll leave it at that; I don't think we need another discussion of the benefits of polygyny.

Intellectually, no, because he cannot accept the American Constitution since it is based on Biblical principles and he believes the Bible to be corrupt.
Why do devout Christians think Jesus invented "being nice to each other"? Just because murder is illegal, it doesn't mean it's Biblical. While the Consitution does reference religion, it never endorses a state religion. In spite of the fact that the Founders were Christians, nowhere is Christianity said to be the official religion of the US. There's even that nifty little 1st amendment that guarantees the right to practice any religion.

Philosophically, no, because Islam, Muhammad, and the Quran do not allow freedom of religion and expression. Democracy and Islam cannot co - exist. Every Muslim government is either dictatorial or autocratic.
Just because Muslim gov'ts haven't been democratic, it doesn't mean that they can't be democratic. In fact, I wrote an essay for school on democracy in Islam. You may not want to read it, though... it's based on a book written by one of those evil Muslims. The Bush admin. even revoked his visa to keep him from speaking here! (I apologize in advance for cramming a three page paper into six pages of space.)

Spiritually, no, because when we declare "one nation under God," the Christian's God is loving and kind, while Allah is NEVER referred to as heavenly father, nor is he ever called love in the Quran's 99 excellent names.
The merits and reasons of "under god" in the pledge of allegiance aside, the "Christian" God has a bit of a personality crisis. Do you really think OT God and NT God are the same? Christianity is pretty unique having a "fatherly" God that watches over people and cares for them intimately. Allah is never called "love", but he is all-forgiving, merciful, generous, just, and loving (from the 99 names).

[atotaltotalfan2001]

I said Muslim Clerics and you provide me with University Professors.! You did not mention any cleric from a Muslim mosque in the USA! You just can't seem to follow directions outside of going to a google search. Name one Muslim cleric in the USA! Come on now and follow directions!

No, I am not a biggot but a realist. How many Muslim friends do you have?

Four, two of which are very close friends.

[WestSideJohn]

crlachepinochet - pinochle rocks out.

[mikewrona]

Listen nitwit, if you had half a brain you would be dangerous. Mikey, Mikey Mikey-you didn't grasp the whole thing! I am sick and tired of you insulting me with your juvenile comments. In addition, you disparaging remarks regarding Christianity are vile and definitely indicate what a classless boob you really are.

You call me a bigot but you are one of the most bias posters in the forum. Everyone knows Mikey Mikey the inane idiot. I want to know who the Muslim Imans are that came forward. Don't give me this crap about clerics being scholars of Islam. In that case, all Islam followers would be clerics as they are required to follow the teachings as indicated in the five pillars. I want to know leaders period! You can't provide them because you do not know. How in the hell can you defend a so called religion that preaches death to the infidel.

As far as your Muslim friends, I doubt you have any. Maybe you can produce one with a search engine. After careful review, I have come to the conclusion you don't have any friends at all. You are arrogant, boisterous
and a condescending individual with limited intellectual capacity. I also suspect you have some serious mental problems that need to be addressed by a professional. I bet Mikey you were a "Mama's Boy."

Does all this mean we are not friends anymore?


You stop with the insults of all current and future members of SUWNY and I will stop insulting you.

You stick to attacking the message and not the messenger. I'll go the same.

The ball is now in your court. Everyone is watching what you do.

[therising]

crlachepinochet clearly gets Post of the Month for such a well thought out response!

To reply to Pauldo without sinking to his level takes a big person. Good job, kid. :)

[TheRightView]

Everyone seems to wonder why Muslim terrorists are so quick to volunteer as
suicide bombers. The answer seems fairly simple...
No Christmas
No television
No beer
No pizza
No football
No cheerleaders
No tailgate parties
No baseball
No hockey
No golf
No Wal-Mart
No Home Depot
No pork BBQ
No hot dogs
No burgers
No chocolate chip cookies
No lobster
No shellfish, or even frozen fish sticks
No New England clam chowder
No vacation at the beach and besides, you hate sand
Rags for clothes and towels for hats
Constant wailing from the kids next-door because they're sick and there are no doctors
Constant wailing from the guy in the tower
More than one wife
You can't shave
Your wives can't shave
You can't shower to wash off the smell of donkey cooked over burning camel dung.
The women have to wear baggy dresses and veils at all times.
Your bride is picked by someone else and she smells just like your donkey;
but your donkey has a better disposition
Then...they tell you that when you die it all gets better!
I mean, really, is there a mystery here?

And once he's done with that list I bet Pauldo would want to recycle it(with very minor adjustments) for any other religion or religious derivitive he doesn't like.

[Pauldo]

And once he's done with that list I bet Pauldo would want to recycle it(with very minor adjustments) for any other religion or religious derivitive he doesn't like.

It's called freedom of speech and you are over-reacting.

[TheRightView]

It's called freedom of speech and you are over-reacting.

Actually, I use my freedom of speech everyday, which some people can not stand on this MB. As for the over-reacting, typing a list of that sort allows for a comment or two to be made about it (there was no real inflamitory comments there); I can not help it if you feel that the comment was as such.

[Pauldo]

Actually, I use my freedom of speech everyday, which some people can not stand on this MB. As for the over-reacting, typing a list of that sort allows for a comment or two to be made about it (there was no real inflamitory comments there); I can not help it if you feel that the comment was as such.

The entire post was a joke and everyone overreacted.:D

[TheRightView]

The entire post was a joke and everyone overreacted.:D

So most of your posts are jokes.:cool: :D

[Pauldo]

So most of your posts are jokes.:cool: :D

Oh now, that was really cruel. I am going off into to the other room and LMAO.:eek: at your comment. It makes wonder, why I should even care!

"I've always followed my father's advice: he told me, first to always keep my word and, second, to never insult anybody unintentionally. If I insult you, you can be goddamn sure I intend to. And, third, he told me not to go around looking for trouble."
John Wayne (1907 - 1979)

[TheRightView]

Oh now, that was really cruel. I am going off into to the other room and LMAO.:eek: at your comment. It makes wonder, why I should even care!

"I've always followed my father's advice: he told me, first to always keep my word and, second, to never insult anybody unintentionally. If I insult you, you can be goddamn sure I intend to. And, third, he told me not to go around looking for trouble."
John Wayne (1907 - 1979)

I wear my Pen as others do their Sword. To each affronting sot I meet, the word Is Satisfaction: straight to thrusts I go, And pointed satire runs him through and through.

-John Oldham, "Satire upon a Printer"