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Co.OfEeerie....
October 27th, 2003, 03:54 PM
Making the Numbers



Q: Why is the Buffalo Fiscal Stability Authority like a corporate board of directors?

A Because it cares little what’s going on, as long as the numbers seem to add up.

That’s turning into the weakness of the control board: little concern about what’s actually going on in the city…the school board…

It’s like more than one corporation where the chairman and CEO produced numbers at the board meeting which looked better than the last quarter.No one bothered to ask about any of the underlying conditions like sales or customer service.

Here, Albany’s musketeers just want to see a balanced budget, without worrying whether some of the cuts are a good idea.They also don’t seem to care if the numbers they are approving bear any resemblance to reality, to what’s really going on.

Board Chairman and CPA Tom Baker told one meeting city schools weren’t very good.Obviously a CPA might notice that, based on educational numbers.Then, he shut off that section of his brain noticing school problems and approved further cuts.

Does he really think things will get better, spending even less money?

Maybe the board members should go out and visit schools and see how big the classes are or visit a public housing project and check how well maintained they are or ride along with a police officer and see how pot-holed the city’s streets are and how much business there is for the cop in the patrol car.

Council President James Pitts is on the campaign trail saying that if he becomes city comptroller after Election Day he wants to do more management audits of city operations. That’s nice and probably a good idea, to look at those schools…streets…potholes.

There’s a problem. That’s the shortage of staff in the comptroller’s office and the likelihood it won’t get any better with the staff cuts of the control board.

You can’t do management audits without management auditors.

If city leaders are going to deal with great minds obsessed only with making the numbers, maybe the mayor and the council should just turn in the keys to City Hall and let County Executive Joel Giambra and Buffalo News Editorial Page Editor Jerry Goldberg solve the problems.

Maybe there aren’t any solutions. Maybe the city is beyond salvation. This crew on the control board certainly doesn’t seem interested in figuring it out. They re just there to give the Albany politicians cover, to fulfil the traditional role of state government to push problems and their solutions into the future.

There are a lot of people in the various agencies being watched by the control board who are really good at massaging numbers to cover reality. Look at what turned up when the Council of Great City Schools looked into the fiscal operations of the school board and found no one really knew anything.

It’s probably a good bet that if the same kind of experienced agency looked into the city or the Municipal Housing Authority or the Urban Renewal Agency, that same disconnect might turn up.

Do you think the board of Enron or WorldCom or Sunbeam really cared what was going on in the organization, as long as the numbers looked good and the CPAs said they were all right?

Board members say they plan a very small staff, maybe seven-people. That’s barely enough to run the numbers through a computer and literally see if they add up. That won’t tell if the money is being spent adequately, effectively or efficiently.

Remember, the people who contributed to this mess are the same people in charge of producing numbers which are supposed to represent balanced budgets.

If you are a pol, do you really think that given a choice between cutting a cop, a fire fighter, a teacher OR cutting a political aide needed for the next election, it will be the political aide that goes?

If you are in one of the city agencies and the Giambra people come over and say we can do this same work for much less money and eliminate the need for all of you, that those City Hall people aren’t going to say: Can’t be done?

I don’t want to say a county takeover is an absolute solution, since City Hall might turn into the Downtown equivalent of the Aurora Highway Barn or that list of Giambra payroll appointments of relatives and friends being circulated by the Democrats.At the same time, the control board probably wouldn’t care if the county made a proposal to take over some city operation and every individual assigned to the job carried the last name of Giambra.

The numbers, you know.

The city desperately needs a control board. What it may not need is this control board, run this way. If it is only in existence to bless the numbers and say they are good, city leaders might as well walk over to Bankruptcy Court and turn in the keys. Because this crew is only there for sham and show and to push off decisions some time into the future.

Peyton Randolph
Buffalo.com

Curmudgeon
October 27th, 2003, 04:12 PM
maybe the mayor and the council should just turn in the keys to City Hall and let County Executive Joel Giambra and Buffalo News Editorial Page Editor Jerry Goldberg solve the problems.

Sounds like a great idea to me. Masiello & the council have had many years to solve the problems and nothing got done. Time to get rid of them and the bureaucracies that they reperesnt.

Allyssa
October 27th, 2003, 09:34 PM
OMG... and let Giambra run the city???

It would be different if he actually did something worthwhile for the county... let alone the city of Buffalo. He touts about what he does for one place, but refuses to acknowledge what he hasn't done for another. He's a smooth talker--selling the sizzle and not the steak!!!

With a Giambra take-over of the city we will be doomed for sure.

Giambra's all about merging everything into a single county government; illiminating all city, town and village governments.

I don't think the crown of Buffalo will fit on the inflated King Joel's head.

Curmudgeon
October 27th, 2003, 09:47 PM
I don't think you could be more vague if you tried.

Doomed? that is magical thinking.

WNYresident
October 27th, 2003, 09:49 PM
Giambra's all about merging everything into a single county government; illiminating all city, town and village governments.


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what is wrong with that? you say that like it's a bad thing.

Allyssa
October 27th, 2003, 10:57 PM
what is wrong with that? you say that like it's a bad thing.

With merging all of the individual towns, villages and cities throughout Erie county means those in Cheektowaga, Amherst and alike will then have to take on the financial debt and responsibilities Buffalo has encurred.

I'm a resident of Buffalo, born and raised but I wouldn't want to put the pressure on an adjacent town to "bail" the city out of their problems by adding them to the mix.

Kind of like tossing in a few good apples to with a rotting one, eventually all that's good in the surrounding areas of Buffalo will decay. Then it will no longer be a matter of a failing city... but an entire County in New York State that's on the financial landslide.

It would be a bad thing if, on top of the Cheektowaga, Lancaster and ect. school taxes, that they would have to take on the bankrupt Buffalo Public school system as well.

How much merging can be done before the bad takes over?

Allyssa
October 27th, 2003, 11:08 PM
Crum,
I don't think you could be more vague if you tried.
Actually, on the contrary. There's a distinct possibility of the city being doomed under Giambra's ruling, as you suggested.

and I suppose the true meaning of "magical thinking" you so generously express is viewing things from afar...

sbGUY27
October 27th, 2003, 11:46 PM
"With merging all of the individual towns, villages and cities throughout Erie county means those in Cheektowaga, Amherst and alike will then have to take on the financial debt and responsibilities Buffalo has encurred. "
Amherst and Cheektowaga taking Buffalo's business is a part of the city's problem. So why not take a little back with consolidation?

You're pretty liberal so you should belive in the robin hood theory.

Allyssa
October 28th, 2003, 08:00 PM
sbGUY27 wrote:
You're pretty liberal so you should belive in the robin hood theory.
First of all, I don't think I've ever given the indication that I'm all for robbing the poor to pay the rich. Nor have I thought that Nottingham's neighboring town should bare the burden of King Richard's unjust taxes.
I'm a resident of Buffalo, born and raised but I wouldn't want to put the pressure on an adjacent town to "bail" the city out of their problems by adding them to the mix.

sbGUY27 wrote:
Amherst and Cheektowaga taking Buffalo's business is a part of the city's problem. So why not take a little back with consolidation?
with this question you asked; I beleive you are more practicing the "Robin Hood theory" than (you've suggested) I am.

sbGUY27
October 28th, 2003, 11:57 PM
Allyssa I am stupified that you have lived as long as you have.

How old are you 16?

Allyssa
October 29th, 2003, 10:14 AM
Allyssa I am stupified that you have lived as long as you have.

huh? since when does "living" become an issue when it comes to stating opinions on an open forum website?

I thought we were in America where people's "living" isn't surrounded by the words (or thoughts) that they speak.

um... it's called Freedom of Speech and since it's also a birth-right, I would imagine that my age is irrelevent here.

sbGUY27
October 29th, 2003, 07:33 PM
HA HA HA HA !!!!!!!!!!

Curmudgeon
October 29th, 2003, 10:52 PM
Allyssa I am stupified that you have lived as long as you have.

I *think* he's implying that he believes you're so stupid, he's surprised that you haven't had a fatal accident as a result of your bad judgement.

An excellent example of what he is talking about can be found at:

http://www.darwinawards.com/

Allyssa
October 29th, 2003, 10:58 PM
I *think* he's implying that he believes you're so stupid, he's surprised that you haven't had a fatal accident as a result of your bad judgement.

I don't see what you guys are implying?

You're talking about me living as long as I have and now fatal accidents....

Exactly what are you guys saying????

WNYresident
October 30th, 2003, 12:06 AM
your guys are unbelievable. Focus on the topic of the thread. :)

Co.OfEeerie....
October 30th, 2003, 07:30 AM
Allyssa - I think they find it convenient to pick on a young lady in this medium. You are entitled to your opinions and you usually present them quite passionately, so keep your faith and don't let it prevent you from saying what you feel.

Curmudgeon
October 30th, 2003, 09:33 AM
Allyssa - I think they find it convenient to pick on a young lady in this medium.

I can assure you, her alledged gender has absolutely no role whatsoever. You make 2 assumptions - she is a "she" and she is "young". We can't difinitely prove that here and it really doesn't matter anyway.

Her opinion, and ONLY her opinion, speaks for itself. There's no hiding behind your friends or affiliations or charming physical appearances here. Just your naked words.

Allyssa dosen't need the pep talk - her opinion has been bashed as lunacy countless times by many people. I'm quite sure she knows how to deal with it.

Co.OfEeerie....
October 30th, 2003, 04:10 PM
"There's no hiding behind your friends or affiliations or charming physical appearances here. Just your naked words."




Hmmm it's getting warm in here ....

Allyssa
October 30th, 2003, 08:13 PM
''her opinion has been bashed as lunacy countless times by many people.''
Though I've noticed the amount of "Allyssa Bashers" has decreased dramatically since people have to now register before posting... So one may never know if in fact it was just one person doing all of the bashing and hiding behind an unregistered status. Or, option B... suddenly they've all become scared because they'd have to use a "name" to post comments against me. But now that you've mentioned it... That seems pretty peculiar that they've all disappeared, don't you think Crum? Considering there's no real way of knowing 100% here who's who... right?

''Her opinion, and ONLY her opinion, speaks for itself.''
That's with the exception of your insinuating remarks, huh, Crum?

''You make 2 assumptions - she is a "she" and she is "young". ''
From what you've said above... I take it you are no different than you say Co.OfEeerie is because you have made the two assumptions that I'm not...

Lastly, my status as a person shouldn’t be downgraded into written words by the thoughts you have against me in this public forum. Like I said before, you often insinuate particular details about me (i.e.; associating my opinions with that of alcoholism, lunacy, being the town wacko. Oh, and my personal favorite… the Bong comment) and yet you’re such a stickler on factual data…

I smell a contradiction in the room.

Curmudgeon
November 1st, 2003, 12:58 PM
Like I said before, you often insinuate particular details about me (i.e.; associating my opinions with that of alcoholism, lunacy, being the town wacko. Oh, and my personal favorite… the Bong comment) and yet you’re such a stickler on factual data…

I am speculating on possible expanations of the sources of your illogical and fanciful opinions. If I had a report from a psychiatrist stating that he found you sane and lucid, I would no longer imply that you might be a lunatic. If I had a clean drug screening report from you , I would no longer imply that you are a chronic bong smoker.

In the absence of "factual data", I am free to speculate until I am able to collect said data. That's called a hypothisis. Collecting the data is called "research". The process is called the "scientific method". I'm still in the "hypothisis" stage concering my opinion of you.

And I believe you MAY be a drunken, bong-puffing lunatic who is also the town wacko :)

WNYresident
November 1st, 2003, 01:57 PM
Lets try this. Alys and Crum will not sway from the acutal topics in each thread anymore. NO personal teases or shots. Argue ovr points not related to WNY is pointless. :)

YOu two are perfect human beings and will now only argue over the facts. :)

deal?

Allyssa
November 1st, 2003, 08:00 PM
It's a deal on my part, as long as these people know that my opinion counts just as much as theirs. And my being a person shouldn't be seen as a "speculation" just for reason that I don't agree with them.

In the absence of "factual data", I am free to speculate until I am able to collect said data. That's called a hypothisis. Collecting the data is called "research". The process is called the "scientific method". I'm still in the "hypothisis" stage concering my opinion of you.

And I believe you MAY be a drunken, bong-puffing lunatic who is also the town wacko

I MAY be scared knowing you're trying to "collect" data on me.
Isn't that what stalkers do???